Hiruzen's 5 Element Jutsu is overpowered

[~Sky~]

It's a fact that he used clones when he was younger. He couldn't do it when he was old because of lack of chakra.

Anyway, if he used that exact tech in a 1v1 battle he'd beat 95% of people in NV.

 

[startup97]

What I find most impressive is the following:

- Edo's were brought back at virtually full strength (meaning not at full strength).
- Hiruzen, therefore, pulled off stronger jutsu's while weaker than part 1 counterpart.
- Able to create clone and counter the Buddha statue with great speed.
- Able to counter the Buddha's attack with equal strength.

The size of those attacks from Hiruzen are enormously large considering his chakra was split into fifths. Make me wonder how long Madara would have lasted against prime Hiruzen. *_*

Exactly this!!!
If he could do that at less than full power. Imagine Prime Hiruzen.

 

[Flawž]

Exactly this!!!
If he could do that at less than full power. Imagine Prime Hiruzen.

Hiruzen was an Edo with infiniti Chakra regeneration.
Hiruzen created 5 clones each creating an element
Undying body/no fatigue

Not too impressive if you ask me. kakashi alone has the ability to create 3 elements, you're telling me if he learns 2 more, He can beat hashirama? Tobirama? Minato? get outta here.

 

[RicardoA]

Exactly this!!!
If he could do that at less than full power. Imagine Prime Hiruzen.

He should be able to literally crack the whole earth, burn, electrify or drown it o>o

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Forget that water fire and air I get but never have I seen an earth technique of that magnitude coming out of someone's mouth and lighting lol lightning too

 

[voids]

Hiruzen was an Edo with infiniti Chakra regeneration.
Hiruzen created 5 clones each creating an element
Undying body/no fatigue

Not too impressive if you ask me. kakashi alone has the ability to create 3 elements, you're telling me if he learns 2 more, He can beat hashirama? Tobirama? Minato? get outta here.

Okay think of it like this.

1000 pieces of chakra = part 1 Hiruzen. Decent jutsu's, not that great size. Enough to do what's needed.

900 pieces of chakra = Edo Hiruzen. Divided into four clones and one original body. (remember not a full power)

180 pieces of chakra per clone = Hiruzen being able to create insane size jutsu's to completely negate the effect of the smaller buddha statue.

Doesn't matter about regen. If the maximum chakra of a clone (180) was not enough for the jutsu, then that said jutsu would not be created.

The size of jutsu's of a clone which has one fifth on a non full powered (old) Hiruzen, were by far on a superior level. Kishi had to make Hiruzen stronger and as such the consistency of Hiruzen is all over the place.

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Now let's hypothetically speculate the chakra reserves of a Prime Hiruzen.

let's say that his chakra reserves were at the least 5x larger when fully in his prime.

That means 5000 pieces of chakra split into 4 clones and an original. Which would mean that there is 1000 pieces of chakra per clone.

Now 180 of an old clone goes into 1000 approximately 5.5 times. That means in his prime, a single (prime) clone could make an attack 5.5 times larger than what we saw if there was 5 different bodies of a prime Hiruzen.

Now with the number 5000 180 goes into approximately 27 times, therefore, the original prime hiruzen with no clones, could create a fire jutsu the same as one shown in the latest chapter 27 times larger. That would would make even madara's look like an ant.

The numbers btw are just to help calculate how the jutsu's would increase in size as the chakra reserves increased.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hiruzen = best wind release user. TROLOLOLO xD

 

[VongolaX]

Well when you have people who can preta that just (Nagato)

Or sharingan copy it (itachi, Kakashi) it doesn't look so OP...

Does it

 

[iNotorious]

The amount of hiruzen fanboys is too damn high.

 

[Flawž]

Okay think of it like this.

1000 pieces of chakra = part 1 Hiruzen. Decent jutsu's, not that great size. Enough to do what's needed.

900 pieces of chakra = Edo Hiruzen. Divided into four clones and one original body. (remember not a full power)

180 pieces of chakra per clone = Hiruzen being able to create insane size jutsu's to completely negate the effect of the smaller buddha statue.

Doesn't matter about regen. If the maximum chakra of a clone (180) was not enough for the jutsu, then that said jutsu would not be created.

The size of jutsu's of a clone which has one fifth on a non full powered (old) Hiruzen, were by far on a superior level. Kishi had to make Hiruzen stronger and as such the consistency of Hiruzen is all over the place.

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Now let's hypothetically speculate the chakra reserves of a Prime Hiruzen.

let's say that his chakra reserves were at the least 5x larger when fully in his prime.

That means 5000 pieces of chakra split into 4 clones and an original. Which would mean that there is 1000 pieces of chakra per clone.

Now 180 of an old clone goes into 1000 approximately 5.5 times. That means in his prime, a single (prime) clone could make an attack 5.5 times larger than what we saw if there was 5 different bodies of a prime Hiruzen.

Now with the number 5000 180 goes into approximately 27 times, therefore, the original prime hiruzen with no clones, could create a fire jutsu the same as one shown in the latest chapter 27 times larger. That would would make even madara's look like an ant.

The numbers btw are just to help calculate how the jutsu's would increase in size as the chakra reserves increased.

Prime hiruzen is irrelevent.

I know how edo tensei works and the chakra reserves. ._.

My point is, elements are overrated and Don't do much, specially against top 20 shinobi. The fact that hiruzen could use each element with less than 20% of his chakra tells you how weak his Jutsu's are.

 

[startup97]

Prime hiruzen is irrelevent.

I know how edo tensei works and the chakra reserves. ._.

My point is, elements are overrated and Don't do much, specially against top 20 shinobi. The fact that hiruzen could use each element with less than 20% of his chakra tells you how weak his Jutsu's are.

Hiruzen>Tobirama

 

[iNotorious]

Hiruzen>Tobirama

Oh no you didn't say that! Penguin is going to solo your a$$.

 

[~Sky~]

My point is, elements are overrated and Don't do much, specially against top 20 shinobi. The fact that hiruzen could use each element with less than 20% of his chakra tells you how weak his Jutsu's are.

Elemental disadvantages were the bane of a couple Akatsuki members.

Perhaps Hiruzen using his jutsu with less than 20% of his chakra shows how much stronger they could be if used at 100%.

 

[Ovan]

Old man doing that is OP. But it's not really that OP when you think about it.

 

[EKSITE]

Hiruzen was an Edo with infiniti Chakra regeneration.
Hiruzen created 5 clones each creating an element
Undying body/no fatigue

Not too impressive if you ask me. kakashi alone has the ability to create 3 elements, you're telling me if he learns 2 more, He can beat hashirama? Tobirama? Minato? get outta here.

No fatigue ?

In the *********** translation which is way better then mangapanda it shown edo panting from being tired

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[XxLapizxLazulixX]

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Here we see Hiruzen unleashing a powerful 5 elemental attack. Pretty impressive, but what if he were to combine all the elements into one?

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Well, first of all we know that:

• Fire becomes strong against Wind.
• Wind becomes strong against Lightning.
• Lightning becomes strong against Earth.
• Earth becomes strong against Water.
• Water becomes strong against Fire.

It only follows that if Hiruzen were to combine his 5 element attack, each element would be powered up by another element, and because there is no break in the chain of elements, the power of the attack would continue to grow to infinity.

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Such a technique is clearly far too dangerous and puts the universe at risk.

Spoiler

The only catch to this technique is that you must skilled enough to combine elements. But good ol' Hiruzen has already demonstrated this feat:

Thanks for reading.​

kamui solos

 

[voids]

Prime hiruzen is irrelevent.

I know how edo tensei works and the chakra reserves. ._.

My point is, elements are overrated and Don't do much, specially against top 20 shinobi. The fact that hiruzen could use each element with less than 20% of his chakra tells you how weak his Jutsu's are.

If you did, then you shouldn't have mentioned regen without knowing how chakra reserves work. And elements are not overrated. They are very much rated and 99% of the narutoverse at this point would have been in a very serious position if they were placed in the buddha statue's position. No wonder Hiruzen was able to reign as hokage for such a long time. And you are naive and know nothing. Just because he used little chakra to make those attacks doesn't mean they are weak. It's what you call CHAKRA CONTROL. I used capitals for those words so you understand.

You are a member that hates on all that isn't Tobirama. If anyone is seen with better feats you instantly hate. The place doesn't have time for member's like you. But unfortunately you won't get banned.