How exactly does FTG users defeat Susano'o user?

[Punk Hazard]

The basis of Susano'o is Inton, which saturates the Uchiha's brain but may be projected through the eyes as jutsu such as Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Susano'o however isn't projected identically to Amaterasu and Tsukuomi as they are solely based upon line of sight...in essence if they do not have a literal visual of the target the Jutsu remains inefficient. Susano'o however may be projected around the user to portions of their body where line of sight is impossible such as their back parts or the Sharingan's blind spot, highlighting why

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, in Itachi's case [

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] with both sharingan's inactive----in Madara's case----the eye's themselves are not actually necessary once you've acquired the jutsu. Similarly the Rin'negan has jutsu which do not solely stress on eye sight for proper function as Gakido or Ningendo. What was further elaborated is that either the Eternal Mangekyo's [Madara's case] perceptive ability----as it continues to grow until the user dies----or the Rin'nenga's visual is able to see the Tenketsu as well as chakra types.

OT: Tagging Susano'o may just be futile as it can become ethereal at the users will and the tagged portion of chakra evaporated and replenished, also at will. The only way an FTG user is besting a Susano'o user is if they tag the user themselves, which is entirely subjective. ​

Inton? Do you mean Enton? If so, then that's wrong, and baseless speculation at best. Enton is a nature release that Sasuke uses through his eyes to manipulate his black flames.

I believe the Susano'o user would teleport along with their Susano'o. When Tobirama teleported Minato and Naruto - They went with the Kurama's chakra.

Completely different concepts. Susano'o is a separate projection around the user, while Kurama chakra is a transformation. If your post was true, Susano'o would have moved with Madara when Gaara pulled him with sand.

 

[Bimbonium]

GUYS this whole thread can be handled by this ONE QUESTION. Did izuna have susano'o? If he did, then thats an example of a susano'o user being roflstomped by a ftg user.

But we KNOW that izuna did because izuna and madara were equals. Madara only became clan head because he was older. This was STATED. Also we know that brothers have the same abilities (sasuke and itachi for example). If izuna and madara both activated their ms's around the same time (which we KNOW they did) and they both were equals (which we KNEW they were), then we KNOW that izuna had susano'o.

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There's no proof izuna had susano'o , sasuke does not have tsukinomi and he's itachi's brother, so the brother thing proves close to nothing.

 

[Punk Hazard]

GUYS this whole thread can be handled by this ONE QUESTION. Did izuna have susano'o? If he did, then thats an example of a susano'o user being roflstomped by a ftg user.

But we KNOW that izuna did because izuna and madara were equals. Madara only became clan head because he was older. This was STATED. Also we know that brothers have the same abilities (sasuke and itachi for example). If izuna and madara both activated their ms's around the same time (which we KNOW they did) and they both were equals (which we KNEW they were), then we KNOW that izuna had susano'o.

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That's not enough to determine Izuna had Susano'o. He could have had his own MS abilities that were capable of rivaling Susano'o, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. And brothers don't always inherit the same power, since Itachi was surprised Sasuke had Susano'o.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There's no proof izuna had MS, sasuke does not have tsukinomi and he's itachi's brother, so the brother thing proves close to nothing.

1. Izuna did have MS.

2. Sasuke does have Tsukiyomi.

 

[Bimbonium]

1. Izuna did have MS.

2. Sasuke does have Tsukiyomi.

My bad I meant susano'o NOT MS

Where did sasuke show tsukinomi.

 

[VolatileSoul]

To warp something, a FTG user must touch it or connect it with their chakra somehow. If they can touch Susano'o they can warp it away. The counter works in theory, but it isn't exactly easy to walk up to Susano'o, and in the case of Sasuke, it doesn't work at all since he can coat it in flames. Unless the Susano'o user is caught off guard, they'll simply make a new one before the FTG user can mount an attack.

Like how Tobirama(with FTG) defeated Izuna(a Susanoo user)

Izuna wasn't confirmed to have Susano'o, and he didn't have it active when Tobirama slashed him either.

Madara has Izuna's eyes at the moment. It's with Izuna's eyes that he uses Susanoo

That's not how it works. EMS users keep their own techniques. They don't gain the donor's techniques or replace their abilities with the donor. Not to mention, as was pointed out, Madara could use Susano'o while blind.

Any FTG user with knowledge of Susanoo would know better to tag them before they go into Susanoo. Once you're tagged you can easily be ripped from it.

Any Susanoo user with knowledge of FTG would know better than to leave Susanoo and go into it immediately.

But I think a FTG user can warp away Susanoo since FTG users have warped away tailed beast bombs without tagging it.

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Space time barrier only warps oncoming projectiles. It could only warp Susano'o in the case it was running into the barrier.

 

[To Whatever]

I believe the Susano'o user would teleport along with their Susano'o. When Tobirama teleported Minato and Naruto - They went with Kurama's chakra.

Susanoo and it's user aren't the same entity when the user casts it. If that way the case, Madara wouldn't of been ripped from his Susanoo by Gaara.

When Tobirama teleported Minato and Naruto he had to make sure he was FTG'ing it all. It's kind of like being able to mark someone's hair and then teleport their entire body. I think the FTG can choose just to teleport just their hair.

 

[Waltz]

@ Rikerslade: I did not make a spelling error. ​

 

[Flakez]

Inton? Do you mean Enton?

Inton means Yin Release.

 

[Bimbonium]

Izuna did have Susanoo. Otherwise what did Madara mean here?

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I believe it meant some eternal light BS. (eyes not going blind)

 

[Punk Hazard]

My bad I meant susano'o NOT MS

Where did sasuke show tsukinomi.

It's a requirement for Susano'o.

 

[RikudouMadara]

GUYS this whole thread can be handled by this ONE QUESTION. Did izuna have susano'o? If he did, then thats an example of a susano'o user being roflstomped by a ftg user.

But we KNOW that izuna did because izuna and madara were equals. Madara only became clan head because he was older. This was STATED. Also we know that brothers have the same abilities (sasuke and itachi for example). If izuna and madara both activated their ms's around the same time (which we KNOW they did) and they both were equals (which we KNEW they were), then we KNOW that izuna had susano'o.

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Haha you neg repped me because I didn't think of the possibility of Izuna having Susanoo? I must say....such judgement is beyond what even the Gods are capable of. ^_^ Such perfect judgment.....>_O And I'm told ignorance is bliss....I guess I have to think of everything to fit in! _@: Maybe I just didn't know? Such a cruel world Haha! Though.....Mills Lane...can you show me a scan of Izuna using Susanoo? >_O

Im just messin, but I found it funny Mr. Lane. XD

 

[Touken]

I believe it meant some eternal light BS. (eyes not going blind)

Refer to Waltz's post; he most probably did have Susanoo, especially considering it didn't take Sasuke long at all to activate his Susanoo.

 

[Penguin]

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are not, in my opinion, requirements for Susano'o. But this is debatable because the DB says so when Itachi was the only Susano'o user. Sasuke on the other hand says all you need are two mangekyo.

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Izuna did have enton, as Tobirama saw enton before Sasuke used it. Tobirama most likely wore Izuna down before using Hiraishingiri.

 

[Murasame]

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are not, in my opinion, requirements for Susano'o. But this is debatable because the DB says so when Itachi was the only Susano'o user. Sasuke on the other hand says all you need are two mangekyo.

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Izuna did have enton, as Tobirama saw enton before Sasuke used it. Tobirama most likely wore Izuna down before using Hiraishingiri.

I know there was a scan for this but didn't he say Kagutsuchi? Not enton. Kagutsuchi means fire control I believe.

 

[VongolaX]

I know there was a scan for this but didn't he say Kagutsuchi? Not enton. Kagutsuchi means fire control I believe.

they're the same thing...

 

[Murasame]

they're the same thing...

If so why use two words if they're the same thing?

 

[Penguin]

I know there was a scan for this but didn't he say Kagutsuchi? Not enton. Kagutsuchi means fire control I believe.

Kagutsuchi is what I meant, my bad. But have you seen a Kagutsuchi that is not enton?

 

[Murasame]

Kagutsuchi is what I meant, my bad. But have you seen a Kagutsuchi that is not enton?

No I suppose not but I know that the meaning is fire control so he can be referring to Sasuke's mastery of fire? If he was referring to enton wouldn't he have brought that up when saying Kagutsuchi?

 

[Penguin]

No I suppose not but I know that the meaning is fire control so he can be referring to Sasuke's mastery of fire? If he was referring to enton wouldn't he have brought that up when saying Kagutsuchi?

It really didn't surprise Tobirama that is was Enton is all I am saying. Kishi has been so inconsistent as of late so it wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't mention it.