How does Sasuke even plan to become hokage?

[xjimbox]

kakashi cannot be the next hokage.

otherwise he takes my vote as well.

madara never became hokage because of tobirama being butthurt and jelly

this isnt about madara.

I was using him as an example and I'm sure that the first chose tobi over madara was because he knew was madara was capable of. But that's beside the point. In all honestly I think the kague rolls are going to be taken out after the war.

 

[New knight48]

I doubt sasuke will live through this battle , I've had theories on it for months. But even if he does survive which I doubt , I am very sure

the leaf village wouldn't accept him as hokage. He has just done too many crimes , he'd be extremely lucky just to be able to go back to

the village almost impossible for him to be accepted as hokage. Besides I am very sure sasuke will die in this fight.

 

[Xāvî1]

lol @Jiraya


ot-sasuke is the most vaild pick at this point, naruto is powerless against him now.

And with kurama he still didnt have what it took unless he was coached by kakashi,kurama, or various others.

also plenty of hokages had bad reps and that didnt stop them from gaining their seats

Lol common making some one hokage who is good as dead. Sasuke's powers are just his eyes... where as kurama is not naruto's original power to begin with.. Sage mode Naruto Solos sasuke.. Just like SM Hashi soloed Madara...

Considering power yes, but when it comes to wisdom, and power I'd say Kakashi is more of a logical choice. Power isn't everything... Why do you think madara never became hokage.... He's a fighter with a corrupted mind.

Just like Danzo.......

 

[Frikid]

Ok since this thread doesn't seem to be one of the trolls.
I will like to respond to it nicely.

First of all, regarding the danzo thing.

Danzo was temporary hokage of konoha or at least he represented konoha at 5 kage summit.
In the summit, he did a big mistake when he controlled mifune through genjutsu.
Due to this, he was considered as a criminal. His reputation in the village was completely brought down as what he did was more than just an international affair.
So, Sasuke basically killed a criminal when he killed danzo.He can't be blamed for doing this as in the end all he did was killing the criminal.

Secondly, i want to bring the case of obito.
After naruto TNJ'd obito, he wanted to be good. Minato,kakashi were both completely fine with him joining the good side. So even after all his crimes he was still allowed to be the "good guy" .
Surely he would have to stay in jail for a long time, maybe till death but yes he was still allowed to come to good side.

Now moving on, When first hokage was to be chosen,you should keep in mind, hashirama himself would have killed a lot of shinobi. Village system did not exist at that time, and anyone who was dangerous to him was killed, he even killed madara(he didn't realize he was not dead) .
Second hokage has also killed a lot of shinobi.

They have also done a lot of crimes but still they were hokage. Ninja system is designed in such a way, one has to get his hands dirty to survive.

Danzo was also appointed as hokage at one point. Now we all know he have done as many bad things as akatsuki leader.
Hiruzen himself admitted he should not have let him do as he pleases.

Long story short, all his crimes are not really crimes in the ninja world.It is our real world which makes us look at those crimes as "crimes" .

Obito even controlled yagura and made him do evil things.
It does not mean yagura was a criminal, only a victim, he was being manipulated.

Guess who else was manipulated?
Yes you got that right, sasuke was being manipulated.

You can't really say he did all those crimes, he was just manipulated.
Who asked him to go and get killed bee?
Who escorted him to 5 kage summit?
Who teleported him to danzo?

Obito!!

Sasuke was a victim, he was being brainwashed and used. But now he is back on the right track. Even all the 4 hokage support him.

---

And sasuke will not forcefully take over the village, this is something he does not want.
He want to change the system.
I don't know what you read in last chapter, because it explained sasuke and what he wants to do.

You must be registered for see images

"to make a true village ... to show them what a true kage is "

Clearly sasuke wants to show "them" what a "true kage" is. He wants to be an idol of people, he doesn't want to rule them with force.
If he wanted to rule them by force, madara's offer wasn't bad because that is what madara wants, to rule people by force.

I say you should read manga a little bit more carefully since you completely failed to see, sasuke actually opposes project tsukinomi.

Moreover, now i will tell you how will sasuke get acknowledged.

How sasuke will get acknowledged

---

Now you all must be wondering, if sasuke wants to become hokage, he HAS to get acknowledged by everyone. So after all of the evil he has done, how exactly will he repent for his sins and get acknowledged by everyone ? I will go in detail about this matter now.

First of all i want to let you know, Sasuke has something in him which can change people as noted by itachi .

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Sasuke have this ability to change people's thinking. There is a certain aura in him which can change people.

The next thing :

AS you all know, the biggest problem the war was facing was STRONG PEOPLE getting summoned by edo tensei which were really turning the tides of the war. It was the biggest problem in the war and the person who stopped edo tensei would literally recognized as a hero.
The person who Undo edo tensei would be the person who saved lives of thousands of shinobi of not just konoha but the entire world.

This is not not what i am saying, this is said by Gokages themselves.

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"who saved the entire shinobi world"

But now again, you would all say , "ITACHI DID IT." "Itachi would get the credit not sasuke. "
I say : NOT AT ALL !!

Itachi don't want anyone else to know about the truth and asked naruto to keep quiet.

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So basically, when someone asks who stopped edo tensei, naruto can take name of sasuke only as if he takes name of itachi, he would have to explain everything about itachi and this is exactly what itachi don't want.

So basically, when people know sasuke stopped edo tensei, he would be acknowledged by everyone as a hero who saved shinobi world.
Moreover, he is the person who persuaded orochimaru to summon the kages.
Moreover, he would also help naruto and alliance right now, to protect the juubi.

So Sasuke stopped edo tensei, indirectly summoned the hokages and will now help in defeating the juubi.
So... I think these feats are more than enough for sasuke to get acknowledged by everyone.

 

[Kαmi]

Spoiler

Ok since this thread doesn't seem to be one of the trolls.
I will like to respond to it nicely.

First of all, regarding the danzo thing.

Danzo was temporary hokage of konoha or at least he represented konoha at 5 kage summit.
In the summit, he did a big mistake when he controlled mifune through genjutsu.
Due to this, he was considered as a criminal. His reputation in the village was completely brought down as what he did was more than just an international affair.
So, Sasuke basically killed a criminal when he killed danzo.He can't be blamed for doing this as in the end all he did was killing the criminal.

Secondly, i want to bring the case of obito.
After naruto TNJ'd obito, he wanted to be good. Minato,kakashi were both completely fine with him joining the good side. So even after all his crimes he was still allowed to be the "good guy" .
Surely he would have to stay in jail for a long time, maybe till death but yes he was still allowed to come to good side.

Now moving on, When first hokage was to be chosen,you should keep in mind, hashirama himself would have killed a lot of shinobi. Village system did not exist at that time, and anyone who was dangerous to him was killed, he even killed madara(he didn't realize he was not dead) .
Second hokage has also killed a lot of shinobi.

They have also done a lot of crimes but still they were hokage. Ninja system is designed in such a way, one has to get his hands dirty to survive.

Danzo was also appointed as hokage at one point. Now we all know he have done as many bad things as akatsuki leader.
Hiruzen himself admitted he should not have let him do as he pleases.

Long story short, all his crimes are not really crimes in the ninja world.It is our real world which makes us look at those crimes as "crimes" .

Obito even controlled yagura and made him do evil things.
It does not mean yagura was a criminal, only a victim, he was being manipulated.

Guess who else was manipulated?
Yes you got that right, sasuke was being manipulated.

You can't really say he did all those crimes, he was just manipulated.
Who asked him to go and get killed bee?
Who escorted him to 5 kage summit?
Who teleported him to danzo?

Obito!!

Sasuke was a victim, he was being brainwashed and used. But now he is back on the right track. Even all the 4 hokage support him.

---

And sasuke will not forcefully take over the village, this is something he does not want.
He want to change the system.
I don't know what you read in last chapter, because it explained sasuke and what he wants to do.

You must be registered for see images

"to make a true village ... to show them what a true kage is "

Clearly sasuke wants to show "them" what a "true kage" is. He wants to be an idol of people, he doesn't want to rule them with force.
If he wanted to rule them by force, madara's offer wasn't bad because that is what madara wants, to rule people by force.

I say you should read manga a little bit more carefully since you completely failed to see, sasuke actually opposes project tsukinomi.

Moreover, now i will tell you how will sasuke get acknowledged.

How sasuke will get acknowledged

---

Now you all must be wondering, if sasuke wants to become hokage, he HAS to get acknowledged by everyone. So after all of the evil he has done, how exactly will he repent for his sins and get acknowledged by everyone ? I will go in detail about this matter now.

First of all i want to let you know, Sasuke has something in him which can change people as noted by itachi .

You must be registered for see images

Sasuke have this ability to change people's thinking. There is a certain aura in him which can change people.

The next thing :

AS you all know, the biggest problem the war was facing was STRONG PEOPLE getting summoned by edo tensei which were really turning the tides of the war. It was the biggest problem in the war and the person who stopped edo tensei would literally recognized as a hero.
The person who Undo edo tensei would be the person who saved lives of thousands of shinobi of not just konoha but the entire world.

This is not not what i am saying, this is said by Gokages themselves.

You must be registered for see images

"who saved the entire shinobi world"

But now again, you would all say , "ITACHI DID IT." "Itachi would get the credit not sasuke. "
I say : NOT AT ALL !!

Itachi don't want anyone else to know about the truth and asked naruto to keep quiet.

You must be registered for see images

So basically, when someone asks who stopped edo tensei, naruto can take name of sasuke only as if he takes name of itachi, he would have to explain everything about itachi and this is exactly what itachi don't want.

So basically, when people know sasuke stopped edo tensei, he would be acknowledged by everyone as a hero who saved shinobi world.
Moreover, he is the person who persuaded orochimaru to summon the kages.
Moreover, he would also help naruto and alliance right now, to protect the juubi.

So Sasuke stopped edo tensei, indirectly summoned the hokages and will now help in defeating the juubi.
So... I think these feats are more than enough for sasuke to get acknowledged by everyone.

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Perfectly said, Frikid nailed it and I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Ok since this thread doesn't seem to be one of the trolls.
I will like to respond to it nicely.

First of all, regarding the danzo thing.

Danzo was temporary hokage of konoha or at least he represented konoha at 5 kage summit.
In the summit, he did a big mistake when he controlled mifune through genjutsu.
Due to this, he was considered as a criminal. His reputation in the village was completely brought down as what he did was more than just an international affair.
So, Sasuke basically killed a criminal when he killed danzo.He can't be blamed for doing this as in the end all he did was killing the criminal.

Secondly, i want to bring the case of obito.
After naruto TNJ'd obito, he wanted to be good. Minato,kakashi were both completely fine with him joining the good side. So even after all his crimes he was still allowed to be the "good guy" .
Surely he would have to stay in jail for a long time, maybe till death but yes he was still allowed to come to good side.

Now moving on, When first hokage was to be chosen,you should keep in mind, hashirama himself would have killed a lot of shinobi. Village system did not exist at that time, and anyone who was dangerous to him was killed, he even killed madara(he didn't realize he was not dead) .
Second hokage has also killed a lot of shinobi.

They have also done a lot of crimes but still they were hokage. Ninja system is designed in such a way, one has to get his hands dirty to survive.

Danzo was also appointed as hokage at one point. Now we all know he have done as many bad things as akatsuki leader.
Hiruzen himself admitted he should not have let him do as he pleases.

Long story short, all his crimes are not really crimes in the ninja world.It is our real world which makes us look at those crimes as "crimes" .

Obito even controlled yagura and made him do evil things.
It does not mean yagura was a criminal, only a victim, he was being manipulated.

Guess who else was manipulated?
Yes you got that right, sasuke was being manipulated.

You can't really say he did all those crimes, he was just manipulated.
Who asked him to go and get killed bee?
Who escorted him to 5 kage summit?
Who teleported him to danzo?

Obito!!

Sasuke was a victim, he was being brainwashed and used. But now he is back on the right track. Even all the 4 hokage support him.

---

And sasuke will not forcefully take over the village, this is something he does not want.
He want to change the system.
I don't know what you read in last chapter, because it explained sasuke and what he wants to do.

You must be registered for see images

"to make a true village ... to show them what a true kage is "

Clearly sasuke wants to show "them" what a "true kage" is. He wants to be an idol of people, he doesn't want to rule them with force.
If he wanted to rule them by force, madara's offer wasn't bad because that is what madara wants, to rule people by force.

I say you should read manga a little bit more carefully since you completely failed to see, sasuke actually opposes project tsukinomi.

this is all coming from a reader's point of view/someone who knows what's going on, but from a characters point of view, the Villager's/the Kage's don't know the extent of Danzo's corruption and therefore no one opposed the idea of him becoming Hokage.

and then there's the fact that Danzo was appointed to protect the leaf, so even if he abused his position that doesn't mean that someone can go ahead and kill him (that's criminal/took justice into his own hands).

the villager's/shinobi world can't accept Sasuke because they don't know exactly what happened/why he did what he did, and he still MUST ANSWER TO HIS CRIMES, changing now means nothing.

as for the BOLD, what makes you so sure that Sasuke doesn't want to rule people by "force" ?? hell he should know by now that "force" will be the only way he can make the people accept him after what he's done (he wants to kill the Bijuu's).

and opposing Madara's plan/offer means that Sasuke wants to rule/change the system in the real world, not in Madara's imaginary/fantasy land, that's all.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Gaara was a mass murderer and he became Kazekage.

Beating Itachi, Deidara and Oro is actually a good look for Sasuke since they were all Akatsuki. Ohnoki said whoever stopped the ET would be a hero to the shinobi world which means him and Itachi.

There were many people who didn't know who Danzo was as he hid in the shadows. Tsunade heard about the events of the Summit, meaning her and probably many others know of Danzo's attempt of controlling Mifune. Meaning Danzo doesn't come off as good guy to anyone anymore. And Bee was only attacked by not captured. Sasuke's war feats more than make up for his attacks against the summit and against Bee. Especially compared to Gaara who was a killer in the Sand Village for some time.

But Garaa never betrayed his village. Even if Garaa killed many people, people just take it as the beast going out of control.

Sasuke joined Orochimaru when he left the village before he knew about the leaf's darkness and Oro just recently attacked Konoha.

He also joined Akatsuki who destroyed the leaf village. Afterwards he killed a Hokage candidate.

Even if people forgave him somehow, no one would trust him. I know that Sasuke won't tell the people about the sad things he went through, because he already told them that he doesn't give a crap about what the people think, so all that's left is what people currently know about him.

lol @Jiraya


ot-sasuke is the most vaild pick at this point, naruto is powerless against him now.

And with kurama he still didnt have what it took unless he was coached by kakashi,kurama, or various others.

also plenty of hokages had bad reps and that didnt stop them from gaining their seats

How is he the most valid pick? Sasuke isn't even a Konoha citizen anymore. He lost that right when he became a missing-nin. Plus power isn't the only thing that a Hokage requires. He needs the right mind-set and the trust of the villagers.

 

[take it easy]

why peopes even compare sasuke and gaara? gaara has more motives for being emo than sasuke

 

[Johndoesknowall]

But Garaa never betrayed his village. Even if Garaa killed many people, people just take it as the beast going out of control.

Sasuke joined Orochimaru when he left the village before he knew about the leaf's darkness and Oro just recently attacked Konoha.

He also joined Akatsuki who destroyed the leaf village. Afterwards he killed a Hokage candidate.

Even if people forgave him somehow, no one would trust him. I know that Sasuke won't tell the people about the sad things he went through, because he already told them that he doesn't give a crap about what the people think, so all that's left is what people currently know about him.

How is he the most valid pick? Sasuke isn't even a Konoha citizen anymore. He lost that right when he became a missing-nin. Plus power isn't the only thing that a Hokage requires. He needs the right mind-set and the trust of the villagers.

You're right that Sasuke himself wouldn't tell the people the true story, as you said "he already told them that he doesn't give a crap about what the people think" but luckily he's not the only one who knows the truth. There's no way Naruto is gonna just stand around and not let anybody know of the true story.

I mean cmon, he almost blabbed about it to Sakura right after Obito told him, but Kakashi stopped him. There are also the edo Hokage here who can also vouch for Sasuke and explain the situation better, he has redeemed himself. Right now what Sasuke is doing, helping in the war, that is how Sasuke will gain the trust of the village/villages. Just as Naruto gained the tust of the beast through his actions Sasuke will gain the trust of the SA through his actions aswell.

2nd Quote:

I wouldn't say he is the most valid pick. I mean both Naruto and Sasuke's ideals together would be best and that's why I believe that both should be given an equal title with equal power. Also it doesn't matter if Sasuke is officially a "missing-nin," after the war it will not be a big problem. Sasuke has the right mind set and intentions for the position all he needs now is the trust of the village which he will have soon.

 

[take it easy]

Also it doesn't matter if Sasuke is officially a "missing-nin," after the war it will not be a big problem. Sasuke has the right mind set and intentions for the position all he needs now is the trust of the village which he will have soon.

so sasuke who want sacrifice future subordinates life without any thinking and who thinking only about himself has proper hokage or kage mindset?

 

[ANiMUS]

so sasuke who want sacrifice future subordinates life without any thinking and who thinking only about himself has proper hokage or kage mindset?

Would u come off it! Sasuke didn't have a choice. It was either sit there and die together letting the bad guy win or save what few valuable forces he could and escape to continue the fight. Even Sasuke who was all for killing everybody at 5KS looked downhearted at the thought of abandoning them.

 

[Itachi Edo]

Ok since this thread doesn't seem to be one of the trolls.
I will like to respond to it nicely.

First of all, regarding the danzo thing.

Danzo was temporary hokage of konoha or at least he represented konoha at 5 kage summit.
In the summit, he did a big mistake when he controlled mifune through genjutsu.
Due to this, he was considered as a criminal. His reputation in the village was completely brought down as what he did was more than just an international affair.
So, Sasuke basically killed a criminal when he killed danzo.He can't be blamed for doing this as in the end all he did was killing the criminal.

Secondly, i want to bring the case of obito.
After naruto TNJ'd obito, he wanted to be good. Minato,kakashi were both completely fine with him joining the good side. So even after all his crimes he was still allowed to be the "good guy" .
Surely he would have to stay in jail for a long time, maybe till death but yes he was still allowed to come to good side.

Now moving on, When first hokage was to be chosen,you should keep in mind, hashirama himself would have killed a lot of shinobi. Village system did not exist at that time, and anyone who was dangerous to him was killed, he even killed madara(he didn't realize he was not dead) .
Second hokage has also killed a lot of shinobi.

They have also done a lot of crimes but still they were hokage. Ninja system is designed in such a way, one has to get his hands dirty to survive.

Danzo was also appointed as hokage at one point. Now we all know he have done as many bad things as akatsuki leader.
Hiruzen himself admitted he should not have let him do as he pleases.

Long story short, all his crimes are not really crimes in the ninja world.It is our real world which makes us look at those crimes as "crimes" .

Obito even controlled yagura and made him do evil things.
It does not mean yagura was a criminal, only a victim, he was being manipulated.

Guess who else was manipulated?
Yes you got that right, sasuke was being manipulated.

You can't really say he did all those crimes, he was just manipulated.
Who asked him to go and get killed bee?
Who escorted him to 5 kage summit?
Who teleported him to danzo?

Obito!!

Sasuke was a victim, he was being brainwashed and used. But now he is back on the right track. Even all the 4 hokage support him.

---

And sasuke will not forcefully take over the village, this is something he does not want.
He want to change the system.
I don't know what you read in last chapter, because it explained sasuke and what he wants to do.

You must be registered for see images

"to make a true village ... to show them what a true kage is "

Clearly sasuke wants to show "them" what a "true kage" is. He wants to be an idol of people, he doesn't want to rule them with force.
If he wanted to rule them by force, madara's offer wasn't bad because that is what madara wants, to rule people by force.

I say you should read manga a little bit more carefully since you completely failed to see, sasuke actually opposes project tsukinomi.

Moreover, now i will tell you how will sasuke get acknowledged.

How sasuke will get acknowledged

---

Now you all must be wondering, if sasuke wants to become hokage, he HAS to get acknowledged by everyone. So after all of the evil he has done, how exactly will he repent for his sins and get acknowledged by everyone ? I will go in detail about this matter now.

First of all i want to let you know, Sasuke has something in him which can change people as noted by itachi .

You must be registered for see images

Sasuke have this ability to change people's thinking. There is a certain aura in him which can change people.

The next thing :

AS you all know, the biggest problem the war was facing was STRONG PEOPLE getting summoned by edo tensei which were really turning the tides of the war. It was the biggest problem in the war and the person who stopped edo tensei would literally recognized as a hero.
The person who Undo edo tensei would be the person who saved lives of thousands of shinobi of not just konoha but the entire world.

This is not not what i am saying, this is said by Gokages themselves.

You must be registered for see images

"who saved the entire shinobi world"

But now again, you would all say , "ITACHI DID IT." "Itachi would get the credit not sasuke. "
I say : NOT AT ALL !!

Itachi don't want anyone else to know about the truth and asked naruto to keep quiet.

You must be registered for see images

So basically, when someone asks who stopped edo tensei, naruto can take name of sasuke only as if he takes name of itachi, he would have to explain everything about itachi and this is exactly what itachi don't want.

So basically, when people know sasuke stopped edo tensei, he would be acknowledged by everyone as a hero who saved shinobi world.
Moreover, he is the person who persuaded orochimaru to summon the kages.
Moreover, he would also help naruto and alliance right now, to protect the juubi.

So Sasuke stopped edo tensei, indirectly summoned the hokages and will now help in defeating the juubi.
So... I think these feats are more than enough for sasuke to get acknowledged by everyone.

Can't argue with that. Very good points. He is on the path to redeem himself, I still don't think it's enough.

 

[Ovan]

Trap them in a endless genjutsu.

 

[ANiMUS]

Can't argue with that. Very good points. He is on the path to redeem himself, I still don't think it's enough.

Yeah, he still has to put his life on the line for the SA. I think Thats the only way they'll forgive him

 

[take it easy]

Would u come off it! Sasuke didn't have a choice. It was either sit there and die together letting the bad guy win or save what few valuable forces he could and escape to continue the fight. Even Sasuke who was all for killing everybody at 5KS looked downhearted at the thought of abandoning them.

the word key is no thinking about other way... i can understand sasukes choice if he think about other way for saving alliance.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

so sasuke who want sacrifice future subordinates life without any thinking and who thinking only about himself has proper hokage or kage mindset?

It's funny you say that, when Naruto himself was about to give up on the alliance twice if it wasn't for Hinata smacking him and Sasuke cutting that tree.

They both made mistakes, if I judged Naruto for giving in like that and said he doesn't have the right to be Hokage then I would be in the right by your logic. But I don't like your logic, because you're blinded by past events and can't see the redeeming qualities and development of Sasuke's character.

You're basically a Danzo.

Sasuke does have the right mind-set and so does Naruto, and I believe that it's best if both have an equal title with equal power.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

The people in Konoha remind me of the civilians in Family Guy. Sasuke something like 9-11 and Konoha and the people are bowing at his feet.

 

[take it easy]

It's funny you say that, when Naruto himself was about to give up on the alliance twice if it wasn't for Hinata smacking him and Sasuke cutting that tree.

They both made mistakes, if I judged Naruto for giving in like that and said he doesn't have the right to be Hokage then I would be in the right by your logic. But I don't like your logic, because you're blinded by past events and can't see the redeeming qualities and development of Sasuke's character.

You're basically a Danzo.

Sasuke does have the right mind-set and so does Naruto, and I believe that it's best if both have an equal title with equal power.

the different situations with naruto and sasuke.... naruto want to give up only under big mental pressure from obito
sasuke want give up because i dont see way how alliance might be saved and nobody can save alliance... really different situations
p.s even danzo put village over own desires.

 

[ANiMUS]

the different situations with naruto and sasuke.... naruto want to give up only under big mental pressure from obito
sasuke want give up because i dont see way how alliance might be saved and nobody can save alliance... really different situations
p.s even danzo put village over own desires.

Danzo wouldn't even think twice about sacrificing everybody else. He believes that lives of mere shinobi are of no relevance to the importance of the village or his goals of world conquest. Sasuke simply excepted the reality. Minato couldn't think of a way out, Tobirama couldn't think of a way out, all Sasuke could see the he had the possibility of saving were the key fighters. Sasuke didn't even volunteer the method of running away it was Juugo that reminded Sasuke that they need to get out. The fact that Sasuke hesitated means that he was stumped.

TBH I don't even know why I am arguing with somebody who will find fault in whatever Sasuke does. Nothing I say to you will matter.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

the different situations with naruto and sasuke.... naruto want to give up only under big mental pressure from obito
sasuke want give up because i dont see way how alliance might be saved and nobody can save alliance... really different situations
p.s even danzo put village over own desires.

I don't understand anything you just said, other than the fact you say they were in different situations. Also Danzo wanted to shape the village to his desires, you act as if he selflessly wanted put the village over his desires, when his desire was to have the village his way.