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Now you might look at the title and say “Kami, you must be high as f*** to make a thread like this that contradicts the manga.” Whether that’s the case or not is completely irrelevant right now ladies and gentlemen! No trolling here, I even busted out the fancy font for you guys. It may seem like I’m contradicting this scan [
Perfect jinchuuriki?
Danzo's intel
There are two reasons why I find Danzo’s words a little shaky.
But nothing besides Danzou’s words implies that he can fully control one the way Killer Bee had done by besting the Hachibi or full control via genjutsu proven by Uchiha Madara.
But we, the readers, later discover for a fact that Yagura was indeed controlled by the Akatsuki, by our favorite masked man :hypertobi: [
And as far as we know, the only way a Sharingan can control a person is via genjutsu demonstrated by Itachi [
Perfect Jinchuuriki Traits
But let’s look at Yagura’s interaction with the Sanbi whenever the jins and beasts meet Naruto [
Obito's Genjutsu Prowess
Lastly, I liked to mention Obito’s genjutsu prowess. While many people are under the impression to have amazing genjutsu thanks to his control of a “perfect” jinchuuriki, we see in the Kamui dimension that Kakashi was able to evenly match Obito for their genjutsu battle and were going nowhere with their battle. [
But in the past, we’ve seen Kakashi fall victim to Itachi’s genjutsu, a genjutsu specialist. While ABC logic doesn’t always apply well in the Narutoverse, I feel that it’s safe to use in this genjutsu department mainly because genjutsu is an individual skill that must be worked on, kinda like speed. Itachi has spent his life on his genjutsu tactics and using them freely, most likely because he was a pacifist who did not truly like to fight after witnessing war a such a young age [
Obito and Kakashi however have not been shown nor have they implied that they frequently use genjutsu nearly as much as Itachi used to. Obito specializes in using his eye for Kamui while Kakahsi mostly used his eye to copy jutsus. That said, the two have strong genjutsus only because it is a feat of the Sharingan itself.
Conclusion
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Danzou’s intel on the mist is shaky
Obito’s control over Yagura could give the impression of a perfect jinchuuriki by being able to force transformations at his will even if Yagura was not truly a perfect jinchuuriki.
Yagura seems to not possess two vital traits of a perfect jinchuuriki: Friendship with Bijuu and Dispelling Sharingan genjutsu with ease
Obito’s genjutsu does not appear to be strong to as he has an even battle with Kakashi who couldn’t keep up with an prominent genjutsu user, Itachi.
Hopefully you've read it all and realize why I've come to this conclusion. Thoughts are appreciated and if it seems like I'm messing up somewhere, let me know. It is a theory after all so of course this isn't said in stone and might not even be expanded on. Still though, I hope I've at least spark some thought in your head. Vote on the poll too and whether you think this sounds plausible to you or not. :yeah:
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] but I’ll explain to you why I feel this way and how I came to this conclusion.Perfect jinchuuriki?
The idea of of Yagura being a perfect jinchuuriki comes from this panel right here. Although not in this translation, most translations state that Yagura along with Madara, Killer Bee, and Hashirama were shinobi who could completely control a Bijuu. Before I continue, I want to mention that there is no other piece of evidence of Yagura being a perfect jinchuuriki other than this statement. That I could find anyway. So in this thread, I’m going to explain to you why Danzo’s words are shaky in this case, and why there is more evidence hinting that Yagura wasn’t a perfect jinchuuriki than him being a perfect jinchuuriki besides this panel. Danzo's intel
There are two reasons why I find Danzo’s words a little shaky.
Reason 1: It’s not entirely clear that Hashirama can exercise full control of a Bijuu. Hashirama’s Mokuton seems to serve more as a suppressant. It can subdue a Bijuu and even put it to sleep.[
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]But nothing besides Danzou’s words implies that he can fully control one the way Killer Bee had done by besting the Hachibi or full control via genjutsu proven by Uchiha Madara.
Reason 2: Whether you completely buy in to reason 1 or not, reason 2 holds firm by itself. Danzou does obviously does not know everything about the Hidden Mist. Which is no surprise since it’s not his village. This claim of mine is supported by the fact that Danzou wasn’t even aware that the fact that the Byukugan had fallen in the hands of the Hidden Mist. [
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While Danzou is an intelligent ninja who does well gaining data and information being that he is the Anbu Root leader, Danzou wasn’t aware of what happened to a Byukugan from a war years ago. Meaning that it’s possible that he didn’t know that Yagura was being controlled by a masked man before! Information about the control of Yagura wasn’t stated by Mei until a few pages later in that same chapter by Mei, and she only stated that she (and most likely other members of the Mist Village) only had suspicions that Yagura was being controlled.[
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]But we, the readers, later discover for a fact that Yagura was indeed controlled by the Akatsuki, by our favorite masked man :hypertobi: [
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] (unless you like Haku more..)And as far as we know, the only way a Sharingan can control a person is via genjutsu demonstrated by Itachi [
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]Perfect Jinchuuriki Traits
What do we know about perfect jinchuurikis that makes them so special? Just how can we make a distinction on what defines a perfect jinchuuriki from a normal one? Well two things that I want to mention about perfect jins are that a perfect jinchuuriki befriends their Bijuu and that they are able to break out of genjutsu (even Sharingan genjutsu) with ease. Befriending and being able to fully utilize the bijuu is what it truly means to be a perfect jinchuuriki like Naruto and Bee are. [
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]. And here[
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], Ohnoki mentions that it takes finding common ground and harmonizing with a Bijuu in order to establish that perfect jinchuuriki control like Killer Bee and Naruto have created. Ohnoki should know what he’s talking about being that he has years of experience in the shinobi world and has at least two jins (Roshi and Han) in Iwa before. But let’s look at Yagura’s interaction with the Sanbi whenever the jins and beasts meet Naruto [
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Not only here, but throughout the entire conversation, Yagura by no means implies or gives off the impression that he has established a close relationship of any sort with Isobu while amongst Naruto and the other jinchuurikis and beasts. If anything, he seems to be on the same basis as the other jinchuurikis when it comes to such a thing. While it could be because Kishi didn’t feel like wasting time with such a thing, it could also be because Yagura had no such close relationship with the Sanbi. As I said before, nothing besides Danzou’s statement implies that such a relationship ever existed.
Another thing to mention is the genjutsu dispelling tactic. Killer Bee was able to dispel the genjutsu of control/manipulation from the Sharingan. A perfect jinchuuriki such as Killer bee has shown this feat twice, with both Sasuke and Itachi, both who are prominent genjutsu users.[
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If Yagura was perfect jinchuuriki, why would he fall victim to genjutsu for what seemed like a long period of time? We know that when Obito is in control of a jinchuuriki, he has complete control over them and is able to make them transform at his own will. [
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Here we see Tobi makes all of the jinchuurikis transform into their V2 states despite the fact that none were perfect jinchuurikis before. While some may argue that it was only due to the Rinnegan that Tobi was able to pull this off, being controlled by the Rinnegan and being controlled by the Sharingan have one key factor: The user is able to have establish complete control over their victim, as if instilling their will within their victim and making them do whatever the user pleases. That being said, Yagura could come off as a perfect jinchuuriki, given the fact that he was able to transform seemingly at will to people like Danzou or others who were unbeknownst of Tobi’s control over Yagura. But we know for a fact that Yagura was indeed controlled by someone thanks to Kisame as I mentioned earlier.
However, Killer Bee proves that a perfect jinchuuriki would not be able to be controlled or manipulated by the Sharingan, meaning Yagura must have not been a perfect jinchuuriki if he was being controlled by Tobi via genjutsu, it wouldn’t make any sense! Under the assumption (which is what makes this a theory btw) that Danzou was unaware of the fact of Yagura’s control (which isn’t far-fetched at all since he didn’t know about Ao’s Byukugan), we can see that Danzou’s knowledge of the Mist village is not as great as other intel he may possess. That being said, I think it’s safe to disregard Yagura’s position as a perfect jinchuuriki since Danzou’s words may not be completely true given the scans and circumstances of Obito’s control and a perfect jin’s ability to break Sharingan genjutsu. Obito's Genjutsu Prowess
Lastly, I liked to mention Obito’s genjutsu prowess. While many people are under the impression to have amazing genjutsu thanks to his control of a “perfect” jinchuuriki, we see in the Kamui dimension that Kakashi was able to evenly match Obito for their genjutsu battle and were going nowhere with their battle. [
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] But in the past, we’ve seen Kakashi fall victim to Itachi’s genjutsu, a genjutsu specialist. While ABC logic doesn’t always apply well in the Narutoverse, I feel that it’s safe to use in this genjutsu department mainly because genjutsu is an individual skill that must be worked on, kinda like speed. Itachi has spent his life on his genjutsu tactics and using them freely, most likely because he was a pacifist who did not truly like to fight after witnessing war a such a young age [
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]. Obito and Kakashi however have not been shown nor have they implied that they frequently use genjutsu nearly as much as Itachi used to. Obito specializes in using his eye for Kamui while Kakahsi mostly used his eye to copy jutsus. That said, the two have strong genjutsus only because it is a feat of the Sharingan itself.
Conclusion
Too Long; Didn’t Read:
Danzou’s intel on the mist is shaky
Obito’s control over Yagura could give the impression of a perfect jinchuuriki by being able to force transformations at his will even if Yagura was not truly a perfect jinchuuriki.
Yagura seems to not possess two vital traits of a perfect jinchuuriki: Friendship with Bijuu and Dispelling Sharingan genjutsu with ease
Obito’s genjutsu does not appear to be strong to as he has an even battle with Kakashi who couldn’t keep up with an prominent genjutsu user, Itachi.
Hopefully you've read it all and realize why I've come to this conclusion. Thoughts are appreciated and if it seems like I'm messing up somewhere, let me know. It is a theory after all so of course this isn't said in stone and might not even be expanded on. Still though, I hope I've at least spark some thought in your head. Vote on the poll too and whether you think this sounds plausible to you or not. :yeah:
I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from though. 
