Kakashi vs Hiruzen

[BenjerminGaye]

Location: Kakashi vs zabuza
Starting Distance: 50m
Mindset: In character
Intel: none
Restrictions: Reaper Death Seal, over exaggerated hype, unnecessary wank(taking to you king hashirama)
Offensive kamui (he can't one shot ppl)
Objective: kill obviously

Bonus:
Guy and asuma teams up with kakashi, danzo with hiruzen

Restrictions:ka

Intel: full

 

[wael reda]

kakashi vs hiruzen ,kakashi wins with kamui or even without it since kakashi can copy any jutsu hiruzen has and he can cut enma into two with his lightening jutsus
kakashi can counter all his attacks by going underground

 

[BenjerminGaye]

kakashi vs hiruzen ,kakashi wins with kamui or even without it since kakashi can copy any jutsu hiruzen has and he can cut enma into two with his lightening jutsus
kakashi can counter all his attacks by going underground

I can debate for either team I just want to see how it goes.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi beats Hiruzen without kamui.

If Danzo is up with Hiruzen then team old farts takes this, Danzo is very strong.

 

[wael reda]

I can debate for either team I just want to see how it goes.

i dont understand your point ,illustrate ,
please

 

[MickNerks]

kakashi vs hiruzen ,kakashi wins with kamui or even without it since kakashi can copy any jutsu hiruzen has and he can cut enma into two with his lightening jutsus
kakashi can counter all his attacks by going underground

Stoped reading after you said kakashi cuts enma with lightning jutsu. You cant be serious.


To OT: Hiruzen wins. I find it kinda unfair that you limit reaper death but continue to allow kakashi to have kumai, but this isn't my thread so oh well.

if this was a actual battle and they were in character (as your conditions say), then kakashi would not out right start with kumai, he would wait till he was in a situation were he had no other choice. This means that somewhere before that time they will end up in a close combat situation, which will be regrettable for kakashi because hiruzen will lace him with explosive tags.

Now if for any reason kakashi uses kumai, this goes to him since you didn't give either shinobi intel on the other.

In the bonus, danzo and hiruzen take this.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Kakashi defeats Hiruzen without kamui.

The speed advantage kakashi has, added to the fact that his sharingan can also predict Hiruzens movements.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

i dont understand your point ,illustrate ,
please

Hiruzen can copy all of kakashi's elemental techs . And use it at a greater level than kakashi can, but kakashi can't copy his wind or fire techs. Nor can he counter them since he doesn't have the required elemental ability.
Fire> wind> lightning.

 

[EZQ]

Stoped reading after you said kakashi cuts enma with lightning jutsu. You cant be serious.


To OT: Hiruzen wins. I find it kinda unfair that you limit reaper death but continue to allow kakashi to have kumai, but this isn't my thread so oh well.

if this was a actual battle and they were in character (as your conditions say), then kakashi would not out right start with kumai, he would wait till he was in a situation were he had no other choice. This means that somewhere before that time they will end up in a close combat situation, which will be regrettable for kakashi because hiruzen will lace him with explosive tags.

Now if for any reason kakashi uses kumai, this goes to him since you didn't give either shinobi intel on the other.

In the bonus, danzo and hiruzen take this.

Okay, lets get this straight, even if Kakashi doesn't use kamui right of the bat, he still beats Hiruzen.

Kakashi is a better tactician by feats, he showed this against Obito, Pain, Zabuza and Edo Zabuza. Hiruzen doesn't have enough feats to say he is as half as good as Kakashi is on battle intelligence.

Hiruzen winning with explosive tags? LOL, Kakashi's speed is enough to keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time, Hiruzen ain't catching him with explosive tags, and if he does it would be a clone feint.

You are underrating Kakashi, ever since he got kamui everyone forgot his other abilities. Kakashi outlasts Hiruzen on speed, Hiruzen ain't catching him.

 

[EZQ]

Hiruzen can copy all of kakashi's elemental techs . And use it at a greater level than kakashi can, but kakashi can't copy his wind or fire techs. Nor can he counter them since he doesn't have the required elemental ability.
Fire> wind> lightning.

Since when does Hiruzen copy jutsus? Lets stick to just feats.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Stoped reading after you said kakashi cuts enma with lightning jutsu. You cant be serious.


To OT: Hiruzen wins. I find it kinda unfair that you limit reaper death but continue to allow kakashi to have kumai, but this isn't my thread so oh well.

if this was a actual battle and they were in character (as your conditions say), then kakashi would not out right start with kumai, he would wait till he was in a situation were he had no other choice. This means that somewhere before that time they will end up in a close combat situation, which will be regrettable for kakashi because hiruzen will lace him with explosive tags.

Now if for any reason kakashi uses kumai, this goes to him since you didn't give either shinobi intel on the other.

In the bonus, danzo and hiruzen take this.

Reaper death is double suicide. But kakakshi can use kamui in more than one way
I'll put restrictions on it though

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Since when does Hiruzen copy jutsus? Lets stick to just feats.

He copied the jutsu's the shinjuu used by replicating the hand seals. It's feats. Not hype.

 

[paratise]

Team 1 would take both scenarios imo.

Kakashi pretty much beats Hiruzen; when it comes to Kakashi&Gai&Asuma vs Hiruzen&Danzo i think team 1 win.

 

[Bantos]

Kakashi takes Hiruzen down.

 

[EZQ]

He copied the jutsu's the shinjuu used by replicating the hand seals. It's feats. Not hype.

Not the same jutsus, he didn't copy them. He used elemental atacks to counter the shinsu's atack, he didn't copy anything.
(The statue doesn't make seals)

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Team 1 would take both scenarios imo.

Kakashi pretty much beats Hiruzen; when it comes to Kakashi&Gai&Asuma vs Hiruzen&Danzo i think team 1 win.

Danzo is pretty strong. No one on this team has the means to pressure him like sasuke could.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not the same jutsus, he didn't copy them. He used elemental atacks to counter the shinsu's atack, he didn't copy anything.
(The statue doesn't make seals)

They made the same seal. Look good. He copied the shinsu's attack.

 

[Bantos]

Danzo is pretty strong. No one on this team has the means to pressure him like sasuke could.

Hiruzen gets killed easily. Kakashi alone could pretty much pressure Danzo enough, and add Gai's great taijutsu and gates and Asuma's... something.
Team 2 loses in every scenario.

 

[EZQ]

They made the same seal. Look good. He copied the shinsu's attack.

What makes you think he copied them and he didn't know them? you are speculating, Hiruzen can't copy jutsus, he doesn't have the sharingan, he just knew the jutsus before.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Hiruzen can copy all of kakashi's elemental techs . And use it at a greater level than kakashi can, but kakashi can't copy his wind or fire techs. Nor can he counter them since he doesn't have the required elemental ability.
Fire> wind> lightning.

What are eelemental techniques going to do to Kakashi???

- He counters lightning with his own lightning (like he did to kakuzu).

- He counters earth with his own earth or lightning techniques.

- He counters fire with water

- He counters water with earth or his own water (we've seen the size of Kakashi's water Dragon and we've seen how impressive hos water wall is).

- wind can arguably be blocked with an earth wall or water projectile.

At the end of the day, why should it matter when kakashi can avoid every elemental jutsu Hiruzen used (in the latest chapter) by simply going underground.

He can evade and side step most of the techniques fairly easily. People forget what the sharingans initial purpose is these days. Combine that with kakashi's superior speed and it's gg.