BSM Naruto> PS Sasuke

[Santa C]

Truthfully, I hate when people try and use physics to justify power in this manga. No offense but Kishi is a mangaka. Besides common sense physics, I highly doubt Kishi takes things like force into consideration.

This thread is kinda biased btw. You only mentioned Naruto's strengths but Sasuke has a counter to pretty much everything Naruto has to offer thanks to Enton and PS. Yes, a TBB on the scale against the Bijuus would be devastating against Sasuke as defending it would take a huge toll but if Naruto charges that up, he's prone to deal with Amaterasu. While Naruto can easily counter Amaterasu, it interrupts TBB and let's Sasuke form a counter. The cloak against Amaterasu is still questionable as to how effective either will be against each other.

While SM does add quite the boost, Sasuke's defense is still top tier, especially with Enton in the way. Sasuke can counter everything from Naruto either with Susano'o or by disrupting his attacks. Last thing I want to mention is Naruto's speed is basically a non factor as both Naruto and Sasuke were shown to have reflexes to keep up with Juubito. That and the fact that SM sensing isn't perfect as Naruto fell victim to the God tree and a blind Madara. I'd love to debate more about this but I'm at work and I'm kinda crappy at debating. I like your efforts but it's pretty biased man. I believe they are equals not because they are fighting side-by-side but because they are fighting to the highest of their capabilities with neither of them showing up the other.

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[Commander Axe]

Truthfully, I hate when people try and use physics to justify power in this manga. No offense but Kishi is a mangaka. Besides common sense physics, I highly doubt Kishi takes things like force into consideration.

This thread is kinda biased btw. You only mentioned Naruto's strengths but Sasuke has a counter to pretty much everything Naruto has to offer thanks to Enton and PS. Yes, a TBB on the scale against the Bijuus would be devastating against Sasuke as defending it would take a huge toll but if Naruto charges that up, he's prone to deal with Amaterasu. While Naruto can easily counter Amaterasu, it interrupts TBB and let's Sasuke form a counter. The cloak against Amaterasu is still questionable as to how effective either will be against each other.

While SM does add quite the boost, Sasuke's defense is still top tier, especially with Enton in the way. Sasuke can counter everything from Naruto either with Susano'o or by disrupting his attacks. Last thing I want to mention is Naruto's speed is basically a non factor as both Naruto and Sasuke were shown to have reflexes to keep up with Juubito. That and the fact that SM sensing isn't perfect as Naruto fell victim to the God tree and a blind Madara. I'd love to debate more about this but I'm at work and I'm kinda crappy at debating. I like your efforts but it's pretty biased man. I believe they are equals not because they are fighting side-by-side but because they are fighting to the highest of their capabilities with neither of them showing up the other.

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[ANiMUS]

Actually, PS slash is air pressure, this is... basic logic. Madara simply moved his sword with such great force that resulted on a high speed movement of the air,a nd this air hitted the mountain. It has a better explanation in the OP(PS part)

An explosion of TBB lvl is more than enough to stop the PS slash,considering it's mechanics. The bijuu dama will always exploded if sliced, it's obivous. It will lose it's balance.

What part of destroy all creation don't you understand????
So air pressure can destroy all creation?
You can try to add science all you want, but this is manga and unless it goes into further detail character statements take precedent.

 

[Flawž]

yes BSM naruto > PS sasuke.

 

[Wolfus]

What part of destroy all creation don't you understand????
So air pressure can destroy all creation?
You can try to add science all you want, but this is manga and unless it goes into further detail character statements take precedent.

So, a mountain and some rocks= All creation?

All creation is the universe. Did madara destroy the universe? No, so stop pulling this BS. It's air pressure.

 

[iNotorious]

yes BSM naruto > PS sasuke.

Get them King

*Brought popcorn*

 

[ANiMUS]

So, a mountain and some rocks= All creation?

All creation is the universe. Did madara destroy the universe? No, so stop pulling this BS. It's air pressure.

It means there isn't anything that can stand up to its slash. As it was stated this lvl of power is only rivaled by bijuu. All creation is what Madara stated. If he could create a slash large enough to cut a planet then, YES it would be a planet buster. Destroying all creation means its only limited by its size NOTHING physical can not be cut!

 

[LolChidori]

Truthfully, I hate when people try and use physics to justify power in this manga. No offense but Kishi is a mangaka. Besides common sense physics, I highly doubt Kishi takes things like force into consideration.

This thread is kinda biased btw. You only mentioned Naruto's strengths but Sasuke has a counter to pretty much everything Naruto has to offer thanks to Enton and PS. Yes, a TBB on the scale against the Bijuus would be devastating against Sasuke as defending it would take a huge toll but if Naruto charges that up, he's prone to deal with Amaterasu. While Naruto can easily counter Amaterasu, it interrupts TBB and let's Sasuke form a counter. The cloak against Amaterasu is still questionable as to how effective either will be against each other.

While SM does add quite the boost, Sasuke's defense is still top tier, especially with Enton in the way. Sasuke can counter everything from Naruto either with Susano'o or by disrupting his attacks. Last thing I want to mention is Naruto's speed is basically a non factor as both Naruto and Sasuke were shown to have reflexes to keep up with Juubito. That and the fact that SM sensing isn't perfect as Naruto fell victim to the God tree and a blind Madara. I'd love to debate more about this but I'm at work and I'm kinda crappy at debating. I like your efforts but it's pretty biased man. I believe they are equals not because they are fighting side-by-side but because they are fighting to the highest of their capabilities with neither of them showing up the other.

Looks to me your thread was soloed, OP.

 

[Wolfus]

Truthfully, I hate when people try and use physics to justify power in this manga. No offense but Kishi is a mangaka. Besides common sense physics, I highly doubt Kishi takes things like force into consideration.

This thread is kinda biased btw. You only mentioned Naruto's strengths but Sasuke has a counter to pretty much everything Naruto has to offer thanks to Enton and PS. Yes, a TBB on the scale against the Bijuus would be devastating against Sasuke as defending it would take a huge toll but if Naruto charges that up, he's prone to deal with Amaterasu. While Naruto can easily counter Amaterasu, it interrupts TBB and let's Sasuke form a counter. The cloak against Amaterasu is still questionable as to how effective either will be against each other.

While SM does add quite the boost, Sasuke's defense is still top tier, especially with Enton in the way. Sasuke can counter everything from Naruto either with Susano'o or by disrupting his attacks. Last thing I want to mention is Naruto's speed is basically a non factor as both Naruto and Sasuke were shown to have reflexes to keep up with Juubito. That and the fact that SM sensing isn't perfect as Naruto fell victim to the God tree and a blind Madara. I'd love to debate more about this but I'm at work and I'm kinda crappy at debating. I like your efforts but it's pretty biased man. I believe they are equals not because they are fighting side-by-side but because they are fighting to the highest of their capabilities with neither of them showing up the other.

It wasn't because it was biased. It was because I had written that some time ago, and I hadn't a similar about sasuke.

1- Honestly, all I used is..basic physics, really. High school lvl. Doesn't have to be too smart to understand it. Besides, it's not as if physics didn't exist in NV. All the mechanics of physics can be seen in NV, so it would be silly of me to disconsider it. I know it's a manga, but it doesn't mean there is no physics. And i like physics. Besides, it as just an small part of the thread.

2- You got to remember that naruto has kage bushin with similar power as his. BSM kage bushins would be a great distraction to keep sasuke busy. Then, naruto can just throw a bijuu dama or continous bijuu damas when sasuke is busy, so he won't have time to counter it and it would hit. Besides, naruto did show the ability to throw really fast, but not weak, bijuu damas. The cloak itself might not work, but kurama avatar probably will. It's just a chakra projection. Naruto can just make it cease.

3- Agreed, his defense is powerful indeed. But naruto can break that with his fire power. And naruto has a great defense too(I'm not saying as great, though). Yeah, but even his PS can be taken down with powerful atacks. If sasuke is busy(as I said, with kage bushin), he might not have time to counter a TBB, and will get his susanoo hit.
Agreed with the speed thing. But back then, BSM naruto was surrounded. He simply had nowhere to go. Mianto could FTG out of there. He was very close to obito when he released the god tree.
And blind madara, naruto blocked himself and was unharmed. It's not like madara is slow, either, but maybe naruto didn't want to dodge, as he blocked.

Feel free to debate with me anytime. You can PM and VM me, and I'll reply when I have time.

 

[Wolfus]

Looks to me your thread was soloed, OP.

I just replied to that, I was in another thread.

 

[Xlad]

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Truthfully, I hate when people try and use physics to justify power in this manga. No offense but Kishi is a mangaka. Besides common sense physics, I highly doubt Kishi takes things like force into consideration.

This thread is kinda biased btw. You only mentioned Naruto's strengths but Sasuke has a counter to pretty much everything Naruto has to offer thanks to Enton and PS. Yes, a TBB on the scale against the Bijuus would be devastating against Sasuke as defending it would take a huge toll but if Naruto charges that up, he's prone to deal with Amaterasu. While Naruto can easily counter Amaterasu, it interrupts TBB and let's Sasuke form a counter. The cloak against Amaterasu is still questionable as to how effective either will be against each other.

While SM does add quite the boost, Sasuke's defense is still top tier, especially with Enton in the way. Sasuke can counter everything from Naruto either with Susano'o or by disrupting his attacks. Last thing I want to mention is Naruto's speed is basically a non factor as both Naruto and Sasuke were shown to have reflexes to keep up with Juubito. That and the fact that SM sensing isn't perfect as Naruto fell victim to the God tree and a blind Madara. I'd love to debate more about this but I'm at work and I'm kinda crappy at debating. I like your efforts but it's pretty biased man. I believe they are equals not because they are fighting side-by-side but because they are fighting to the highest of their capabilities with neither of them showing up the other.

Why haven't I seen this shit? I can't rep ya right now man.

 

[Wolfus]

It means there isn't anything that can stand up to its slash. As it was stated this lvl of power is only rivaled by bijuu. All creation is what Madara stated. If he could create a slash large enough to cut a planet then, YES it would be a planet buster. Destroying all creation means its only limited by its size NOTHING physical can not be cut!

Yet, mokuton goubi managed to tank it. The slash can easily be countered. It's a powerful slash of a big sword. "Destroying all creation" is just BS. Even if he stated that he didn't do that. Just get something that can withstand the amount of force of the slash, and there you go. It tanks it.

 

[Waltz]

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This is a biased analysis highlighting Naruto's qualities; As if the Kanzentai Susnao'o is the only valuable potential in Sasuke's reserve----in conjunction with Susano'o. You haven't proven that BSM Naruto can triumph Sasuke currently but rather to contrast a downplayed, speculative argument on the Susano'o against Manga scans on Naruto. I will however, respond to your conclusion as it holds the greatest merit in making an actual establishment on the matter. ​

Now, I didn't have time ro write a full analysis of sasuke. However, as seen with PS, BSM naruto can surpass in fire power sasuke's PS. BM has a great resistance, and with that amplified by SM, he has a big chance to tank some of sasuke's atacks.
Not only that, but with BSM, he can sense danger and chakra perfectly, and with his BSM speed and reaction speed, he can dodge sasuke's atacks such as enton, amaterasu, arrows and PS slash.
Besides, naruto has kurama chakra projections, as well as kage bushin. Kage bushins can be used for distraction and to make powerful atacks, as a BM or BSM clone is very powerful, and 1 or 2 would manage to keep sasuke even busier.
Besides, a combo with these clones, such as continous bijuu dama with clones, could definilly surround sasuke and take his PS down.

BSM naruto can beat sasuke with PS, with high diff or perhaps very high diff.

The heat produced from Amaterasu was sufficient to reconstruct a cave, cause a Shinobi shrouded in armor suited for War to experience excruciating pain; when applied to BSM-Naruto, he roasts within the ignited Kyuubi shroud. The speed you speak of cannot be readily accessed as is entirely subjective. Even with it as well as the additions granted by Sennin Modo, Naruto got caught by Obito without difficulty as while hosting the entire Kyuubi shroud his movements are

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. Your idea then of speed and sensory abilities being weightier matters in a match between the two bodies [PS and BSM] is refuted. As regards the Underlined, you severely underestimate Enton's potential. At will, Sasuke can conjure any desired artillery to be used with the Susano'o be it Enton-Senbons or

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the Enton-Katana of the Susano'o it self to be used in a

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sword swipe to disperse all of Naruto's clones. Even more so, he could coat the Kanzentai Susano'o with Enton and ignite each of Naruto's Bunshin's individually. Surrounding Sasuke and utilizing continuous Biju Dama also wouldn't work as he could back fire them all simultaneously as: Firstly, the advanced perceptive ability of the Eien-no-Mangekyo would allow him to anticipate each Biju Dama and Secondly, Enton [through Susano'o] allows him to 'toothpick' all, once used in a similar fashion: [

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]. In short, Sasuke has the potential to negate all Naruto has to bring forth to the table, which in actually isn't anything uncommon or extraordinary:

-> Rasengan based Tech's.
-> Biju Dama.
-> Chakra arms. ​

 

[ANiMUS]

Yet, mokuton goubi managed to tank it. The slash can easily be countered. It's a powerful slash of a big sword. "Destroying all creation" is just BS. Even if he stated that he didn't do that. Just get something that can withstand the amount of force of the slash, and there you go. It tanks it.

Mokuton goubi stopped the sword genius. Didn't tank. Sword doesn't move no slash

NEXT!!!:vincent:

 

[iNotorious]

It means there isn't anything that can stand up to its slash. As it was stated this lvl of power is only rivaled by bijuu. All creation is what Madara stated. If he could create a slash large enough to cut a planet then, YES it would be a planet buster. Destroying all creation means its only limited by its size NOTHING physical can not be cut!

Are you saying Ps slash -> anything?

Then by that PS Slash -> Juubidama? Laughable

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[ANiMUS]

Are you saying Ps slash -> anything?

Then by that PS Slash -> Juubidama? Laughable

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Well, It cut a sword and shield that was made from material that tanked a Juubi TBB so you tell me. Even if it cut the bomb that doesn't mean it can tank the blast ya know?

NEXT!!! :vincent:

 

[iNotorious]

Well, It cut a sword and shield that was made from material that tanked a Juubi TBB so you tell me. Even if it cut the bomb that doesn't mean it can tank the blast ya know?

NEXT!!! :vincent:

I want to see PS tanking a full juubidama :|

 

[ANiMUS]

I want to see PS tanking a full juubidama :|

I never said it could. I just said the slash could cut the TBB. The blast would probably decimate PS

 

[iNotorious]

I never said it could. I just said the slash could cut the TBB. The blast would probably decimate PS

⌐_⌐ then we can agree on something.

 

[slimreaper]

stopped when you used zetsu as a credible source for a comparison. he clearly was doing obiot's bidding. obito clearly was trying to manipulate sasuke to take his EMS. the rest is pure speculation