Yata doesn't block everything.
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1- But to say that yata would be able to separate chakra from it's mean oif propagation would be a giant assumption. And to consider that it has all elements imbued is another assumption. In fact, there's not a single evidence of this.
2- You got a point, but when itachi was blocking himself from an atack, he could still be seen. So, it's a possiblity.
By the way, thanks for using logic and trying to prove yourself instead of using hype.
Funny. A fireball jutsus is made of FIRE, which is basically energy. However, explosions are also energy, and yet, they got tanked. So, perhaps you shouldn't be saying that.
And so do I. I just applied some logic to kishi's drawings, and I have knowledge on the properties of light and sound, so I used it.
The Necromancer
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According to the hype you hate so much, the Mirror would simply change its properties to block any sound or light attack. The fact that neither was used on him simply means that it didn't need to, and so didn't.
It would be as simple as turning opaque against light, and turning solid (or perhaps liquid) against sound. But until proven, everything in this thread is speculation including my words.
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Like i've already mentioned plenty of times i don't think the mirror possess eyes or a sort of detector to notify an opponent's attack to act accordingly, so i think the properties of the mirror aren't automatic
Prince Charles
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Mate honestly your going way too deep in this, its all common sense at the end of the end of the day, whether it's a big ass explosion or energy such as a fireball jutsu or a water dragon jutsu or whatever, it comes into contact with the mirror it gets repelled.
Was it explained, hinted or stated in the manga that the mirror change it's properties. I really don't remember that.
Besides, does the shield have a mind on his own to identify what are atack and what are not? Like" oh, that's an atack, I'mma block it". "Oh, that? Nah, that's cool". If you have a shield, and you put it on your face, it will block everything that was going in that direction. If someone tells you "Hey, catch", and it hits the shield, it will be "blocked", being an atack or not.
The shield won't know if it's an atack or not.
The Necromancer
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So much for knowing the databook.
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At the end of the day, it's a ****ing shield. It's not going to let anything through that the user doesn't want (my personal assumption is that the user decides, as Itachi walked up to Sasuke with the shield and Susano'o active and it passed through him), and is attached to Susano'o itself meaning even without the shield there isn't much getting through anyway.
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Assumption based on a hype. If it's a sound genjutsu, it will get through, as I explained. Even though sound "get in touch with stuff". When a mechanical wave such as sound "hits" a wall for exemple, a part of it will be reflected, a part of it will go through. That wave "came into contact" with the wall. In the same way, sound came into contack with the mirror, yet it went through.
The hype is most likely false.
Oh the databook. You mean, the same databook that stated that all susanoo comes with a totsuka and a yata? Or was it the databook that went against everything yamato said about mokuton?
The databook has made many mistakes before(there was a thread with a list of these mistakes). Any source of information that has given false information many times can't be blindly taken as a fact.
This is common sense.
The Necromancer
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And this databook description has not been contradicted as of yet, and so Yata lives up to its hype for now. I bet that pisses you off.
Fact until proven false.
Exactly.
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EternalFlame
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Yata Mirror hype must be directly contradicted in either the next Databook or future Manga issues because so far everything that has came in contact with it has been blocked. Contradiction is needed, otherwise it will remain indestructible, forever. Then and only then will it not be accepted as a fact.
This is where you and I disagree unfortunately.. I use hype as a tool of the writer to explain things we have yet to see or will never see.Yata's databook hype has already been proven to an extent..It literally repelled two incoming attacks. What you're doing is postulating that its hype is false because it has not yet been proven true and you're completely ignoring the possiblity that some true things will never be proven true, making that argument a false dichtomy ..
Hype is essential in this manga, otherwise it would be normal to assume that part 1 Sakura is superior to Uchiha Izuna because of lack of feats towards the latter... Though sometimes there might be hyperboles to discern from , it just leaves you requiring a lota of deductive reasoning to tell them apart...
In this case, kishimoto writing facts like " A shield imbued with all nature elements" isn't some funny joke he and his writing team decided to make for no apparent reason.. it was him filling in details on something we might never get to see in the manga
In any case, considering the shield has done its job with defending all incoming attacks thus far, the burden of proof is on you who is asserting hte claim that the hype is false . Not us who has both manga and databook backup
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Fact until proven false.
Then you must be a complete idiot.
As I said, any source of information with mistaken information can't be considered "fact until proved otherwise". Anyone who still blindly believes in anything that has shown many mistakes in the past is dumb.
This is common sense. If you're going against it to prove your point, then your point is not very good.
Pumpkin Ninja
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I don't think Kishi thinks this through and applies as much logic as most members on the base do to the justus. It's a shonen manga for crying out loud, the Narutoverse isn't that perfect :\. Although, I don't believe in the hype.
SharinganisOP
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Sound techniques simply can go around the yata mirror, It does not block his entire being as a sphere, It doesn't block his back and it doesn't engulf the entirety of his sides.
Let me give you an example, there is a sound proof glass wall connected only to the ground, To its sides and upward is air. If you are behind said glass wall and I speak to you, you can still hear the sound that goes around the glass.
In regards to the light thing, it is a spirtual weapon so it can be seen through and exists. I will propose that spiritual weapons have different properties attributed to them. light reflects off of the spiritual object and back to our eyes and thus we see it as normal (which is compliant with yata mirrors abilities). However since the object is spiritual when viewing it, it shall always be see through no matter what. Spiritual objects just have the property that even when light reflects off of them they are still see through. And before you say that doesn't make sense, clearly not all of the physical laws that apply in our world apply in the Naruto world.
Also if that doesn't convince you, then I shall say that the yata mirror/the user of the yata mirror simply does not view normal light as a threat, but would view an attack using light or electromagnetic waves as a threat and thus repel them.
Let me give you an example, there is a sound proof glass wall connected only to the ground, To its sides and upward is air. If you are behind said glass wall and I speak to you, you can still hear the sound that goes around the glass.
In regards to the light thing, it is a spirtual weapon so it can be seen through and exists. I will propose that spiritual weapons have different properties attributed to them. light reflects off of the spiritual object and back to our eyes and thus we see it as normal (which is compliant with yata mirrors abilities). However since the object is spiritual when viewing it, it shall always be see through no matter what. Spiritual objects just have the property that even when light reflects off of them they are still see through. And before you say that doesn't make sense, clearly not all of the physical laws that apply in our world apply in the Naruto world.
Also if that doesn't convince you, then I shall say that the yata mirror/the user of the yata mirror simply does not view normal light as a threat, but would view an attack using light or electromagnetic waves as a threat and thus repel them.
The Necromancer
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Again, bring some manga support as proof or stop complaining about it. Unless you want Tenten to be ranked higher than Hagoromo due to lack of concrete evidence, and rankings based only on hype.
Prince Charles
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Sound genjutsu?
Temari was able to blow away tayuya's sound from her flute
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if tayuya's sound came within contact with the yata mirror I wouldnt be surprised if the mirror repelled that sound back.
But I'm not postulating the hype is false and using it as an argument. I'm using evidence to shows that it wouldn't block all atacks. There are atacks in the manga that the shield can't block, such as kamui and deva path abilities. So, it doesn't block all atacks.
As for the rest, I just used logic basing myself on the drawings in the manga, that were also made by kishimoto.
That would just require common sense, not hype. And as you said, somethings might be hyperboles. One can't blindly trust in something that might be partially correct and or even worse, completely wrong. It's just stupid to do so.