Had BSM Naruto surpassed base Hashi?

[AlphaScythian]

already beat with rasengan barrage
only wood dragon can absorb chakra
nope.
wherez? its naruto jutsu

Do you even read this manga?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Wood Dragon forced Naruto out of BM, that's a fact. It did it while holding Bee as well. Nothing BSM has shown would change that.

There are no better reflexes that he has shown.

100% Kurama did that, Naruto can't considering he only has half the chakra and is considerably smaller.
The explosion didn't destroy anything, that was PS sword. Nothing Naruto has would be a problem Base Hashirama couldn't handle.

Then what do you call this?

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Are you suggesting the wood dragon moves faster than Obito, the freaking juubi jinchuriki?!


BSM is superior to full Kurama. Senjutsu easily multiplies each attribute by 20, I'm positive.

Flower three world.
Mokuton absorption and biju binding.
Bigger chakra reserve and BSM burns nardo's chakra darn fast.
Tori gates.

I think base hashi still has very good chances against BSM naruto, Giant FRSs is nardo's only hope.

1. Get's vaporized.

2. That's only if Naruto can't react to it, which he certainly can since he can hit Obito.

3. Yes, that's why he's managed to enter biju mode several times without aid isn't it?

4. It might require a target to be motionless. I suspect this since Madara broke out easily enough. Either that or the ones not enhanced by senjutsu are weak as heck.

Never mind, they are not the same. Just remembered. The other points still hold though.

Yes, Hashi can catch it, but not if Naruto makes it a beam or fires it at his feet.

 

[shelke]

Senjustu only multiples Bodily attributes. There is nothing in the manga to even remotely support its enhancement of Bijuu Chakra. Naruto is simply able to use SM in Conjunction with BM, that's it.

 

[iNotorious]

Senjustu only multiples Bodily attributes. There is nothing in the manga to even remotely support its enhancement of Bijuu Chakra. Naruto is simply able to use SM in Conjunction with BM, that's it.

Frog kata with BM speed and negative sensings with sm sensings.

 

[take it easy]

Do you even read this manga?

yes...
naruto beat world tree with rasengan barrage
torii seal naruto jutsu...
only wood dragon can absorb bijuu chakra
im probably wrong only with bm chakra

Senjustu only multiples Bodily attributes. There is nothing in the manga to even remotely support its enhancement of Bijuu Chakra. Naruto is simply able to use SM in Conjunction with BM, that's it.

senjutsu increased all jutsutsu... maybe even tailed beast jutsu

 

[iNotorious]

yes...
naruto beat world tree with rasengan barrage
torii seal naruto jutsu...
only wood dragon can absorb bijuu chakra im probably wrong only with bm chakra

You mean this

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Or this

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[LeSauce]

Then what do you call this?

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Are you suggesting the wood dragon moves faster than Obito, the freaking juubi jinchuriki?!


BSM is superior to full Kurama. Senjutsu easily multiplies each attribute by 20, I'm positive.







1. Get's vaporized.

2. That's only if Naruto can't react to it, which he certainly can since he can hit Obito.

3. Yes, that's why he's managed to enter biju mode several times without aid isn't it?

4. It might require a target to be motionless. I suspect this since Madara broke out easily enough. Either that or the ones not enhanced by senjutsu are weak as heck.






Yes, Hashi can catch it, but not if Naruto makes it a beam or fires it at his feet.

What? All I see is Naruto missing his target. I never said Hashirama was fast at all, but his jutsus will catch Naruto and then that's it for Naruto.

Read Shlekes answer to the SM enhancements.

And of you meant that a bijuu bomb would be able to destroy Wood Dragon, then yes, you're right. But he won't ever be able to fire it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Senjustu only multiples Bodily attributes. There is nothing in the manga to even remotely support its enhancement of Bijuu Chakra. Naruto is simply able to use SM in Conjunction with BM, that's it.

Naruto cannot use 2 chakras simultaneously unless it's a merged chakra. Senjutsu enhances whatever chakra it's attached to. Therefore, Kurama's chakra is enhanced. Also, Naruto would make statements like "I'm going to add senjutsu to this TBB." Therefore, it would definitely be enhanced.

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There's absolutely no reason why a full trained sage like Naruto would not be able to merge senjutsu with his biju chakra while a pretender like Sasuke can merge it with his susanoo chakra.

 

[take it easy]

You mean this

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Or this

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first scan.

 

[shelke]

^ So adding Natural Energy based Chakra to Bijuu Chakra means it's enhanced twenty times? No one claimed that he cannot do it, but the enhancement is far-fetched as it can get. The manga makes no mentions of enhancing Bijuu Chakra, simple as that.

Senjustu doesn't enhance 'whatever' chakra it's attached to, as Senjustu itself is the merging of Base Plus Sage Energy. Naruto's attacks don't appear any more powerful, unless you have proof. They only managed to damage Obito as he's vulnerable to Natural Energy.

 

[Turson]

Senjustu doesn't enhance 'whatever' chakra it's attached to

Actually, thats how Fukusaku explained it. You add natural energy to jutsu = you have stronger jutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

yes...
naruto beat world tree with rasengan barrage
torii seal naruto jutsu...
only wood dragon can absorb bijuu chakra
im probably wrong only with bm chakra senjutsu increased all jutsutsu... maybe even tailed beast jutsu

Naruto only blocked the attack, yet it was forest emergence not the world flower, which puts one to sleep.
W/E name gates hashi has, he stopped juubi with SM, i dont think its needed for kyuubi.
Mokuton can absorb as well, look at yamato, he had no dragon.
Base hashi would outlast nardo as SM and BM burn chakra faster for enhancement.

 

[take it easy]

^ So adding Natural Energy based Chakra to Bijuu Chakra means it's enhanced twenty times? No one claimed that he cannot do it, but the enhancement is far-fetched as it can get. The manga makes no mentions of enhancing Bijuu Chakra, simple as that.

Senjustu doesn't enhance 'whatever' chakra it's attached to, as Senjustu itself is the merging of Base Plus Sage Energy. Naruto's attacks don't appear any more powerful, unless you have proof. They only managed to damage Obito as he's vulnerable to Natural Energy.

senjutsu making all jutsu stronger by manga fact
so senjutsu might make bijuu dama stronger because this jutsu

 

[TrollingSage]

Senjustu only multiples Bodily attributes. There is nothing in the manga to even remotely support its enhancement of Bijuu Chakra. Naruto is simply able to use SM in Conjunction with BM, that's it.

Aside from the fact that both Jiraiya can make much bigger rasengans than they can in base.In Naruto's case, it even gave him the ability to throw his rasenshuriken. Can't say am suprised you didnt know that, afterall it has nothing to do with Sasuke.

 

[take it easy]

Naruto only blocked the attack, yet it was forest emergence not the world flower, which puts one to sleep.
W/E name gates hashi has, he stopped juubi with SM, i dont think its needed for kyuubi.
Mokuton can absorb as well, look at yamato, he had no dragon.
Base hashi would outlast nardo as SM and BM burn chakra faster for enhancement.

agreed. this my mistake
this was collaboration jutsu not only hashirama
ok. i found on naruto wiki that two mokuton jutsu can absorb bijuu chakra plus yamatos jutsu can absorb chakra only with hokage necklace help
debatable. we dont see full bijuu sage mode abilities

 

[Sennin of Logic]

^ So adding Natural Energy based Chakra to Bijuu Chakra means it's enhanced twenty times? No one claimed that he cannot do it, but the enhancement is far-fetched as it can get. The manga makes no mentions of enhancing Bijuu Chakra, simple as that.

Senjustu doesn't enhance 'whatever' chakra it's attached to, as Senjustu itself is the merging of Base Plus Sage Energy. Naruto's attacks don't appear any more powerful, unless you have proof. They only managed to damage Obito as he's vulnerable to Natural Energy.

I have facts and basic logic to bring me to lead me to this conclusion. When in biju mode, Naruto's chakra is merged with Kuramas. Therefore, it's not simply base chakra being enhanced.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Aside from the fact that both Jiraiya can make much bigger rasengans than they can in base.In Naruto's case, it even gave him the ability to throw his rasenshuriken. Can't say am suprised you didnt know that, afterall it has nothing to do with Sasuke.

So what KCM nardo cant throw FRS? Seems like SM gave him ability to think.
While senjutsu tech sure a bigger and better, i dont find any huge enhancement.
Sasuke's techniques with CM went all that much more powerful.

 

[TrollingSage]

So what KCM nardo cant throw FRS? Seems like SM gave him ability to think.

KCM is also a chakra enhancement. The kyubi's chakra is more powerful than Naruto's base.

While senjutsu tech sure a bigger and better, i dont find any huge enhancement.
Sasuke's techniques with CM went all that much more powerful.

Yea let's not compare Sasuke's fake "SM" with the real thing.

 

[take it easy]

So what KCM nardo cant throw FRS? Seems like SM gave him ability to think.
While senjutsu tech sure a bigger and better, i dont find any huge enhancement.
Sasuke's techniques with CM went all that much more powerful.

dont forget about bijuu chakra

 

[shelke]

Actually, thats how Fukusaku explained it. You add natural energy to jutsu = you have stronger jutsu.

Pa only explained it in terms of the 'Individual' and his 'own' Chakra, unless he did encompass Bijuu Chakra, then I am all eyes and ears. In that regard, his explanation holds. And since when is TBB a Jutsu? The last time I checked it was a Attack Bijuu Possessed and that's it. It's mostly a 'skill' exclusive to Bijuus.