What exactly is wrong with being gay? CONT

[Made in Heaven]

Laws and reality are two different things, unfortunately. Truth it, women are treated as inferior to men in most of muslim countries.

Culture does not equal religion.

God created it not allah.

Allah is arabic for god, so it's literally the same word in different languages.

I know why she can't pray. The point here is that God allows males to submit to him more easily then females? Yes, it would be harmful for them to pray in such a state, but why would God put them in such a state in the first place? Your reasoning is cyclical.

Yes, but there are plenty of counter-examples. I acknowledge that Islam will not completely disregard females' respect, but their are several instances in which they have been disrespected. For instance, the Qur'an says that men are a 'degree' above women:

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. It may vary based on the translation, but that seems to be the consensus.

Furthermore, homosexuality is natural. There are numerous examples of it occurring in animals, e.g., black swans is one example I can recall off the top of my head.

I would like to retract my previous insults, sir.​

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It would also be cyclical to say why create sin and evil to begin with. Why create any sort of trials and harm when everything can just be fine and dandy? I see it as being a trial for woman. Actually, menstruating is honestly the same as pooping or peeing; it's to get rid of waste in the body. Same for men ejaculating at times.

This degree means that men are to take care of the, as they are physically stronger naturally.

But animals shouldn't be used as examples

Black widow spiders kill their male mates... Should all men die?

Sharks forcibly rape female sharks .... Should that be allowed too?

Mice eat each other.... Does it make cannibalism okay?

 

[Turson]

Culture does not equal religion.

That is true, however, religion is one of factors that have the biggest input in society culture.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Shut up!!!!Allah is the one who created everything!!!

Don't be rude Naruko

Almighty god who created adam and eve is GOD. allah is just another false god inferior who claims to be god.

so yeah they are not the same thing so i stand corrected

Arabic speaking christian's refer to God the father as Allah, so it is the same thing. Outr views on him is what differs.

Tell them that. Im not one of imams in Saudi Arabia who dont allow woman to drive a car.

Bro, this is the dumbest thing ever. Prophet Muhammad's first wife, Khadija, was a caravan owner, she had a job, and rode on camels; which would be the equivalent of cars back then. Some things that are said are innovation, I tell you

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

What was the thread topic again?

To think it started with Russian passing a law and now became Islam vs Christianity vs Atheists somehow..

I admit I was wrong. Not about my pro-homosexuality views but wrong in that I shouldn't have ignited this awful excuse of a debate. This gross community just isn't the place and that is my bad.

You can close it if you like, it's obvious the actual debate will be undermined by children and extremists. Threads like these really do attract the worst of NB- me included.

 

[Douryoku]

It would also be cyclical to say why create sin and evil to begin with. Why create any sort of trials and harm when everything can just be fine and dandy? I see it as being a trial for woman. Actually, menstruating is honestly the same as pooping or peeing; it's to get rid of waste in the body. Same for men ejaculating at times.

This degree means that men are to take care of the, as they are physically stronger naturally.

But animals shouldn't be used as examples

Black widow spiders kill their male mates... Should all men die?

Sharks forcibly rape female sharks .... Should that be allowed too?

Mice eat each other.... Does it make cannibalism okay?

You did not answer my question: why did God make females lesser than males? The 'life is a test' argument is easily refuted: if a test is to be issued properly, a Mathematics test for instance, is it fair to give certain persons a calculator, and others just a pencil and paper? In the same respect, God trials humans in different ways, which is unfair, and is effectively sexist with regards to the females.

I'll concede that point, it depends on translation, but fair enough.

Lmfao. Why not? 'No true Scotsman'.

That is besides the point; you're not understanding. I'm not saying we should follow animals based on what they do, I'm citing animals as an example of when homosexuality occurs. Animals are a part of nature, therefore if they engage in some act, such an act is natural. Rape is 'natural' in the sense that animals will do it, but humans do not do it because they realise it is wrong to unjustifiably cause harm to somebody else—homosexuality does not harm anybody. Further, as I said previously, unnatural ≠ pernicious/bad.​

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[Made in Heaven]

You did not answer my question: why did God make females lesser than males? The 'life is a test' argument is easily refuted: if a test is to be issued properly, a Mathematics test for instance, is it fair to give certain persons a calculator, and others just a pencil and paper? In the same respect, God trials humans in different ways, which is unfair, and is effectively sexist with regards to the females.

I'll concede that point, it depends on translation, but fair enough.

Lmfao. Why not? 'No true Scotsman'.

That is besides the point; you're not understanding. I'm not saying we should follow animals based on what they do, I'm citing animals as an example of when homosexuality occurs. Animals are a part of nature, therefore if they engage in some act, such an act is natural. Rape is 'natural' in the sense that animals will do it, but humans do not do it because they realise it is wrong to unjustifiably cause harm to somebody else—homosexuality does not harm anybody. Further, as I said previously, unnatural ≠ pernicious/bad.​

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He hasn't done so. They're different, but they are equal. They have different roles to play and they have to take care of each other.

I don't get the second point...

YEs, it may occur in nature, but so do those other things I mentioned. humans are more intelligent than animals, so we shouldn't compare ourselves to them nor use them as examples to justify right and wrong.

It's not about harming anyone, I mean, lying mostly tends to not harm anyone either

 

[Turson]

That is not islamic law. The quran has made it clear that the rapist should be punished, not the victim

My guess is that islam should be overhauled, just like catholic church was during Second Vatican Council. Sad truth is, if you give religion too much power, it begins to degenerate - muslim countries like Saudi Arabia are great examples of that. However, that could be a problem, since there is no supreme leadership over all muslims like it is in case of catholics.

 

[Keimil]

just like corruption,theft ,sins, murders does not harm anybody

O_O? How Homosexuality hurt people?

 

[Prime Rib]

O_O? How Homosexuality hurt people?

homosexuals are capable of violence,rape,murder anything sick and bad in this world so idk why people say they are harmless... such fools

 

[Douryoku]

just like corruption,theft ,sins, murders does not harm anybody

Murder doesn't harm anybody?

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Well, you're going into my list of persons that do not deserve a response.​

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He hasn't done so. They're different, but they are equal. They have different roles to play and they have to take care of each other.

I don't get the second point...

YEs, it may occur in nature, but so do those other things I mentioned. humans are more intelligent than animals, so we shouldn't compare ourselves to them nor use them as examples to justify right and wrong.

It's not about harming anyone, I mean, lying mostly tends to not harm anyone either

Okay, we seemed to have reached a standstill. Why do you think homosexuality is wrong?​

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[Keimil]

homosexuals are capable of violence,rape,murder anything sick and bad in this world so idk why people say they are harmless... such fools

OMG! I can believe i am actually reading this.
I don't know where you got your numbers and data, but they are all false, you are so blinded by your hate, you don't even know what you are saying.

 

[Avani]

i never brought christianity into this.

and if you cant grasp who and what the true "GOD" is then you must be blind by allah false tools

Yea .... right. I don't really care. I believe in Pagan god. You are standing on the the octagon next to my door. Beware!

I admit I was wrong. Not about my pro-homosexuality views but wrong in that I shouldn't have ignited this awful excuse of a debate. This gross community just isn't the place and that is my bad.

You can close it if you like, it's obvious the actual debate will be undermined by children and extremists. Threads like these really do attract the worst of NB- me included.

You are part of the community. We all make it one. At the end of the day it's just a forum where people post from all over the world and they are not going to agree on every thing. Let's move on to something else.