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Continuing where the last thread left off:

I love how no ones bothering to debate with me. Jeez, defend your arguments, pro-homos.

People used to sell black people as slaves and stone 'witches' to death too. Maybe embracing the future and acceptance is a good thing after all. You can't form your moral code on the prejudices and irrational hate of those who came before you who put these invisible rules in place.

Humanity isn't ****ing stupid, cultures are very aware of a line and we're not going to have a huge outbreak of incest orgies around the globe in the next coming years- let the future generation answer that problem when they come to it. There is no ultimate reality and the one you have envisioned where everybody has to stick to these strict codes of how to live their life is immoral.

As long as whatever you do it consensual and doesn't hurt anybody then you should be allowed to do it without being hated or killed. Loving a man isn't even in the same league as wanting to **** an animal or having a family orgy. It's genuine love that doesn't hurt anyone, create mutations or hurt animals. Gays are treated awfully and have to work just to have their rights.

The 'where do we stop' argument is invalid and is talking entirely from inside the bubble of a set in stone perception on reality- it's wrong and it doesn't apply to everyone, here AND in the future.
 
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Dude, as you know I totally support you and agree with you to the max, but the threads were closed for a reason. Things, I guess, got too hot. Some members were being serious and mature while others were acting like kids and others were just messing around. I'm sure the same will happen here.

Just let it simmer down.
 

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Dude, as you know I totally support you and agree with you to the max, but the threads were closed for a reason. Things, I guess, got too hot. Some members were being serious and mature while others were acting like kids and others were just messing around. I'm sure the same will happen here.

People ignored the little kids, it's not a problem. This is an important discussion that shouldn't be pushed away like it doesn't exist.

Why do we even have a general discussion section if the second anything gets even slightly controversial it's closed?
 

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Wow, a semi-intelligent debate finally happens on this site for once and someone closes the thread- seems like we have some homophobic mods who are afraid of an important issue actually being discussed.

Continuing where the last thread left off:



People used to sell black people as slaves and stone 'witches' to death too. Maybe embracing the future and acceptance is a good thing after all. You can't form your moral code on the prejudices and irrational hate of those who came before you who put these invisible rules in place.

Humanity isn't f*cking stupid, cultures are very aware of a line and we're not going to have a huge outbreak of incest orgies around the globe in the next coming years- let the future generation answer that problem when they come to it. There is no ultimate reality and the one you have envisioned where everybody has to stick to these strict codes of how to live their life is immoral.

As long as whatever you do it consensual and doesn't hurt anybody then you should be allowed to do it without being hated or killed. Loving a man isn't even in the same league as wanting to f*ck an animal or having a family orgy. It's genuine love that doesn't hurt anyone, create mutations or hurt animals. Gays are treated awfully and have to work just to have their rights.

The 'where do we stop' argument is invalid and is talking entirely from inside the bubble of a set in stone perception on reality- it's wrong and it doesn't apply to everyone, here AND in the future.

let me show you just how ignorant and blind you are to not only the world but even to love.

first off there are many different types of "love" and nonless it still =love

so you saying that gay peoples love is genuine well to others pedophiles "love" for kids is genuine so if you do say they are sick and they choose to do that then you are hyprocrite if you believe gays are born that way or dont choose to be that way
 

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FOR YOU CRYSTAL CHAKRA.!!

regarding incest and polygamy.!!

SO IF FROM5 YEARS FROM NOW, people decide that shiit is nutritious for health and decide eating it then would you say that ohh its all because people decided that gays and lesbian were valid.!!

if people decide that to eat shiit then too bad for them.!!

its the same with incest and polygamy, if they decide towards it, then too bad for them.!!

and you speak as if gays and lesbians being right implies incest and polygamy being right.!!

:win:
 

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I'm surprised you even bother arguing in here with 10-12 years old children whose opinions aren't even their own because they can barely think logically for themselves.

Exactly! No need waste your time with close minded individuals
 

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only proves humanity don't want to accept and face the fact that they are responsible for their action
 

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FOR YOU CRYSTAL CHAKRA.!!

regarding incest and polygamy.!!

SO IF FROM5 YEARS FROM NOW, people decide that shiit is nutritious for health and decide eating it then would you say that ohh its all because people decided that gays and lesbian were valid.!!

if people decide that to eat shiit then too bad for them.!!

its the same with incest and polygamy, if they decide towards it, then too bad for them.!!

and you speak as if gays and lesbians being right implies incest and polygamy being right.!!

:win:

theres no difference between homosexuality and incest and polygamy... want to know why?

for starters two gay brothers can bang each other thats both homosexuality and incest.

gay guys can marry multiple partners which is polygamy

Incest and polygamy is illegal beccause they both are "taboo" considering incest you can have really deformed children at a high rate and polygamy is ur having multiple partners which is considered "cheating" or adultery
 

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let me show you just how ignorant and blind you are to not only the world but even to love.

first off there are many different types of "love" and nonless it still =love

so you saying that gay peoples love is genuine well to others pedophiles "love" for kids is genuine so if you do say they are sick and they choose to do that then you are hyprocrite if you believe gays are born that way or dont choose to be that way

Most cases of pedophilia manifested from a negative experience from when they were young.

Pedophilia is obviously different from homosexuality because pedophilia is not consensual. 2 grown men deciding they love each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with each other is a grown-up, consensual agreement that doesn't hurt ANYONE and yet they don't even have that right.
 

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People used to sell black people as slaves and stone 'witches' to death too. Maybe embracing the future and acceptance is a good thing after all. You can't form your moral code on the prejudices and irrational hate of those who came before you who put these invisible rules in place.

And maybe it's not. Who's to say? I mean, look around; divorce has become common, and so has fornification and adultry. Cheating, lying, gambling. The whole lot.

Humanity isn't f*cking stupid, cultures are very aware of a line and we're not going to have a huge outbreak of incest orgies around the globe in the next coming years- let the future generation answer that problem when they come to it. There is no ultimate reality and the one you have envisioned where everybody has to stick to these strict codes of how to live their life is immoral.

No, you're wrong. How can you garuntee that line won't be stepped over; after all, it happened with the gays.

There has to be set rules, otherwise I can just claim something to be good and do it. There has to be an ultimate reality for us to decide what's bad and what's good

As long as whatever you do it consensual and doesn't hurt anybody then you should be allowed to do it without being hated or killed. Loving a man isn't even in the same league as wanting to f*ck an animal or having a family orgy. It's genuine love that doesn't hurt anyone, create mutations or hurt animals. Gays are treated awfully and have to work just to have their rights.

Wrong. Just because something in consensual doesn't make it right. What if someone agrees to have another kill themselves. It happens.

Why not, man on man and man on animal are both filthy. And as for orgies, why are they wrong? Explain... Can you? I doubt it. Why? Because it's the same thing as homosexuality; "as long as they consent, who cares???"

The 'where do we stop' argument is invalid and is talking entirely from inside the bubble of a set in stone perception on reality- it's wrong and it doesn't apply to everyone, here AND in the future.

How is it invalid, it's perfectly valid for such an argument!

Like I said, there has to be set in stone perception of reality. Otherwise wrong and right are simply subjective, and that means one day murder may very well be seen as normal
 

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This again? What's with the gay threads today? Fine, I'll just post what I posted last time:

Being homossexual isn't a problem. Double standards and their consequences are the problem. While there are some people that actually fight for equality and for the rights that every citizen should have, there are many that claim to be fighting for that and in reality theyare fighting for privileges in a form of compensation and/or revenge.

First, I'm going to describe a situation that happened in a school. My friend told me this.
A teacher asked the students to make a text with what they know about homophobia. A student, in his text, explained the fight that happens here in order to give the homossexuals privileges. He build his whole argumentation focusing on this.
When the teacher read it, she got really scared, and sent the student to the principal, who rebuked the student.
The teacher said she was so scared that she didn't even sleep that night, knowing that there is such conservative person in her classroom

Now, I'm pretty sure the teacher couldn't even find arguments to disprove the students, and she forced homophobia into that situation, as it is what most blind moralists do. I'm goint to explain it now.

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For this thread, there are somethings that need to be known. I'll explain everything. If you know it, you can skip this part, but don't post anything that goes against these concepts.
- Respect and criticism: To be respected is a right of every citizen, it is a duty of everybody to respect the differences between the individuals. Criticism is different from disrespect. One can criticize anything(to criticize is to make an analysis of something using logic, evidences and facts to suport some idea), as long as he/she keeps it respectful. Criticism is part of our freedom of speech.

- Homophobia: To hate, to discriminate, to have the desire to segregate or harm(in any way) an homossexual for the very reason that the person is homossexual.

Criticism
It's obvious that the homossexuals deserve the same rights as the other citizens. The best way for people to live together is a, ideal democracy, in which the differences are respected by each citizen and by the law: despite the differences, the law and the government don't consider some better than others because some characteristic.(This is an ideal democracy, of course things aren't exactly like that, but it's the closest we can get).
All citizens having the same rights(equality of rights) is different, of course, from socialism, which tries to equal different beings, ignoring the differences. So, homossexuals are citizens, just like everybody else.

However, blind moralists, who claim to be fighting for the homossexuals to have the same rights, make stupid mistakes such as the trial to give the homossexuals privileges. which for some reason they call equality. What is the evidence that these people try to fight for these privileges?
The evidences are that they try to make the homossexuals untouchable: People must agree with homossexualism(to respect and to accept is different from to agree, as with the first 2. people will acknowledge and respect the different characteristics, ideas and behaviors, but they wom't necessarily agree with it.), people must never critize homossexualism or homossexuals, homossexuals must have rights to secure these, having more rights than the other citizens.
These measures are obviously a trial to put the homossexuals above the other citizens, as not only they will have more rights, but also the rest of the population will lose part of their freedom of speech(they cannot disagree with homossexualism and they can't critize it). Of course, now I'll give exemples:

Situation 1:
"-man, I'm proud to be homossexual
-way to go, dude"
vs
"-man, I'm proud to be white/straight
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG"

Situation 2:
*Straight couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful
- Indeed. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room"
vs
*Homossexual couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room
- JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY, RIGHT??!!!
- No, it's the way...
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG!!!"

The proud person of the situation 1 was wrongly considered homophobic.To be proud of a characteristc of yours is not a prejudice, is not a trial of discrimination against the "oposite group". It doesn't fit the concepts I've mentioned.
The same happened in situation 2: The guy was bothered not because the couple was homossexual, but it was because their way of kissing. As the guy explained, it bothers people, so, as much as we're free, our freedom is limited to the point that we can't make things disrespectful to other citizens. So, it was not homophobia(this, howevever, is not to takeaway people's rights. As everybody must be equaly respect, you can't disrespect people if you want respect, this is the limitation of freedom, which brings stability). However, many blind moralists wrongly consider these situations as homophobic situations.


Their excuse is that homossexuals are the opressed minority, therefore they need these measures. This is an obvious mistake: Giving privileges will only increase the cicle of hatred between the 2 groups, as the group without the privileges will feel "opressed", "decreased", and they will blaim the group with privileges. This,as I said, will increase the cicle of hatred, which will cause many fights. This is why it is a mistake, and it is a mistake that was made in the past, as in the past, some groups of society used to have many more rights than the population. This caused many of the fights and revolutions, which, different for the current actions, were movements to achieve equality of rights. The current behavior is the one in which there is a trial to give the privileges as some form of revenge or compensation, which, as I explained, will only cause more problems.

Why am I telling you this? My intention is to show everybody the problems that these people might cause, the very problem they claim to be trying to fight. Not only this, but there are some blind moralists here in NB.

So, let's use our brain, let's think in the consequences before we do something. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it". We won't repeat the mistakes of the past. So, let's cut off the blind moralism, respect other people, and learn the meaning of words before using them.

Now, being gay isn't a problem. But it isn't a quality or an advantage either. It's a regular characteristic, it's nothing special. They are citizens, nothing less, but nothing more either. But as citizens, rights aren't the only thing they'll have. They have duties: they must respect other people and groups, the must follow the law, and they can be arrested just like anyone else. People can critcize them, regarding homossexuality or not(criticism is not disrespect), people can disagree with them(freedom of speech), and straight people can be proud too(being proud of something doesn't mean hating or disrespecting the opposite).

So, no double standards and moralism.
 

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Most cases of pedophilia manifested from a negative experience from when they were young.

Pedophilia is obviously different from homosexuality because pedophilia is not consensual. 2 grown men deciding they love each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with each other is a grown-up, consensual agreement that doesn't hurt ANYONE and yet they don't even have that right.


Most cases of pedophilia manifested from a negative experience from when they were young.

thats ur own statement just so you remember and try to twist this.

You are really a moron then... many and i mean many homosexual teens and young adults have had sexual abuse or been molested at a young age. so yeah i stand correct.

pedophilla is not about consent or non consent.. its about there "love" for children.

gay man commit perversion with themselves thats why its wrong
 

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I agree with you, except for the genuine part because love is love. Nothing changes based on the person. But, there are certain limitations to love such as pedophiles and people who do it with animals. Other than that I agree because I've always supported LGBTQ. However, this is not the place for this kind of argument since Naruto isn't just watched by mature young adults, it's also watched by little kids who have be basically trained to hate gays since it's their religion. So, don't bring this back up here since it can get you in greater trouble than you are already in.
 

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Most cases of pedophilia manifested from a negative experience from when they were young.

Pedophilia is obviously different from homosexuality because pedophilia is not consensual. 2 grown men deciding they love each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with each other is a grown-up, consensual agreement that doesn't hurt ANYONE and yet they don't even have that right.

This is just my point. Currently, the majority of people view polygamy and incest as taboo, no? Just a few decades back, this taboo was also applied to homosexuality, but no longer is.... So, what happens in a few years from now if Incest and polygamy become widely accepted? Are they no longer considered "wrong" or "evil"? If so, why?

And what of cannibalism? To most, it's considered inhumane, yet there are people who consider eating a dead relative to be something sacred?
People also have differing views on what a "modestly dressed" person looks like.

Then there's pedophilia. THe age of sexual consent goes from 12 years to 21 years to puberty to marriage. So, who's correct? How do we decide what really counts as pedophilia? In one country, a 15 year old "getting his game on'' with a 20 year old would be completely legal, but in another it's considered immoral....

So that just begs the question

Who decides what's wrong and what's right?

We can't just leave views of right and wrong in the hands of society. Which is why I believe it is necessary to believe in a god. There has to be set, unchangeable aspect of good and evil; and that is something humans are incapable of. Our views will alter
 

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And maybe it's not. Who's to say? I mean, look around; divorce has become common, and so has fornification and adultry. Cheating, lying, gambling. The whole lot.

No no no no no what. What. These things have existed since ancient times. They're hardly new concepts and in comparison to the other ages such as the Victorians, the Middle-Ages or even the 1950s- we're doing a pretty great job as a society. Divorces are a by-product result of the ancient outdated concept that is marriage. Blame that, not 'todays evil society'

Also are you condoning slavery, sexism and witchhunts in that statement? Is that actually what you're doing? Because if you are I don't think I have to write any more.

No, you're wrong. How can you garuntee that line won't be stepped over; after all, it happened with the gays.

There has to be set rules, otherwise I can just claim something to be good and do it. There has to be an ultimate reality for us to decide what's bad and what's good
Yes and my statement clearly still had set rules. Your business is your business and you shouldn't be victimised for it as long as
a.) It doesn't hurt anybody
b.) It is consensual

Seem like rules to me. Pretty solid rules too, better than the ancient irrational ones you think we should inflict on people.

and honestly I couldn't go further
 

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I agree with you, except for the genuine part because love is love. Nothing changes based on the person. But, there are certain limitations to love such as pedophiles and people who do it with animals. Other than that I agree because I've always supported LGBTQ. However, this is not the place for this kind of argument since Naruto isn't just watched by mature young adults, it's also watched by little kids who have be basically trained to hate gays since it's their religion. So, don't bring this back up here since it can get you in greater trouble than you are already in.

thats a real biased statement there.

religion does not teach to hate well maybe muslims but other than that no it just teaches it about being wrong. either way a person does not need to be spirtually or have a religion to understand homosexuality is wrong
 

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stop this bullshit of being gay and lesbian

being a gay or lesbian is same like killing a innocent human..death of an innocent human is like physical death and spiritual death is caused by gay or lesbian..don't try to change nature..be pure and human
 

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Scumbag Prime Rib, calls other people morons, can't spell simple words right.

i actually spelled the words correctly so take a good look next time ignorant tard.

i have slang in there :)
 

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Plus, today you never know who's gay are not. Some people do it for the attention rather than the ones who were originally gay, especially girls. On my facebook girls are claiming left and right that they are gay just because their previous relationship failed. I just don't know about this topic anymore. Just let them be equal and then leave them alone. It's not our business what they do in bed or on their free time. That's just between them and God.
 
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