Misconception: Destroying the hype

[Imperius]

Orochimaru > Hiruzen, and your signature looks badass. not as badass as mine though


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[KidGamer65]

What? Not having any feats means that everything that is said about said character is speculation until proven. Prime Hiruzen vs (Current) Oro isn't even debatble. And referring to not usimg Edo is kinda pointless as Edo tensei is apart of a persons power anyway. But in regards to yo ur reference, once again, we never seen Oro go all out, even know. So saying Prime Hiruzen > Oro is nothing but speculation

That right there, is the logic of someone who can't use their brain to think for themselves no matter how simple it is to reach the conclusion.

-Stated that Oro and Hiruzen fight on par, shown that Hiruzen and Oro fought on par. That's a fact, no denying it.

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-Stated that Prime Hiruzen is on another level to Hiruzen.

So obviously he's on another level to everyone around Hiruzen's level of power, including Orochimaru.

Something stated about Prime Hiruzen is fact, there is literally no reason to deny it, especially when its something as simple as Prime Hiruzen being much stronger than Old Hiruzen, or are we going to deny this because there are no feats?

We've seen Orochimaru's best techniques already, mentioning a bunch of jutsu that you don't even have any info about don't matter when his best techniques have been shown. People say "Oro hasn't gone all out" like they are expecting something that will push him up a tier or two.

Yeah, that definitely isn't happening.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

can someone tell me who's the girl in the u-mad gif? (she looks very hot to me)
OT bs
any prime Hokage solo's Oro (MAYBE except Tsunade who's debatable)

 

[HadouKage]

That right there, is the logic of someone who can't use their brain to think for themselves no matter how simple it is to reach the conclusion.

-Stated that Oro and Hiruzen fight on par, shown that Hiruzen and Oro fought on par. That's a fact, no denying it.

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-Stated that Prime Hiruzen is on another level to Hiruzen.

So obviously he's on another level to everyone around Hiruzen's level of power, including Orochimaru.

We've seen Orochimaru's best techniques already, mentioning a bunch of jutsu that you don't even have any info about don't matter when his best techniques have been shown. People say "Oro hasn't gone all out" like they are expecting something that will push him up a tier or two.

Yeah, that definitely isn't happening.

In the face of feats, hype means nothing. By your logic ywe can believe that SM Jiraya can beat Pain since it was stated by Pain he could do so when evidently, we know Jiraya has nothing to stop CT. We don't know Oros full power, Hiruzens prime don't exist, once again. All we can do is speculate

 

[KidGamer65]

In the face of feats, hype means nothing. By your logic ywe can believe that SM Jiraya can beat Pain since it was stated by Pain he could do so when evidently, we know Jiraya has nothing to stop CT. We don't know Oros full power, Hiruzens prime don't exist, once again. All we can do is speculate

Not only did Pain send out his bodies one at a time (Never even used Deva Path against him) they were fighting in Amegakure, meaning no large scale jutsu unless you think Pain is ready to destroy his village to kill Jiraiya. CT and CST are obviously out of the question.

Jiraiya had a massive advantage in that scenario, so with knowledge on their secret, Pain said he would have won.

-Location means Deva can't use his best techniques.

-The Paths being sent out in sequence makes it easier than fighting all 6 at the same time.

-Knowledge was also a big part of it.

Pain is obviously going to beat him in a neutral location. So that makes your point moot.

@bold: lol, no it doesn't. The fact you even bothered to reply with this nonsense makes me not want to take you seriously. So Prime Hiruzen being much stronger than Old Hiruzen is speculation? Lmao. Rich.

-Databook states Old Hiruzen is on par with Orochimaru.

-Prime Hiruzen is stated to be much stronger than Old Hiruzen.

So he's above Orochimaru, its just that simple. There is no speculation here, its fact.

You keep mentioning Orochimaru's full power, even though we've already seen his best techniques. Stop twisting us not seeing his full arsenal into us not seeing his full power when the two are completely different. By your logic Kakashi hasn't shown his full power since he hasn't shown all the techs he's copied, but its clear that is false as we have seen his best techniques, the techniques that define his overall strength.

Uh, Hiruzen's prime does exist and we have references to it. You denying them doesn't change the fact that they are, indisputable fact.

 

[Xāvî1]

There's alot of ninjas that can beat Hiruzen, him being able to negate all 5 elements really aint that great I mean Minato can do it, Nagato, Itachi, Kakuzu, Orochimaru so many can If you think about it

I know about the others but when did minato do all 5 elements, Plus we even don't know his nature element

 

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can someone tell me who's the girl in the u-mad gif? (she looks very hot to me)
OT bs
any prime Hokage solo's Oro (MAYBE except Tsunade who's debatable)

she's willow smith and she was 11 when that video was made :|

 

[HadouKage]

Will respond when I get home

 

[Joker]

orochimaru engaged hiruzen himself and was bested by him, there is no toying here

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Hiruzen only managed to best him into sword to Staff combat; your point on overall strength? That's like saying Gai can best Madara in taijutsu so that means Gai > Madara

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

Truly; the only true reason Orochimaru won that fight and didn't die on that roof top is because of the fact that Hiruzen's age more so his emotions got the better of him. Nothing more nothing less.