Joker
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Until we so more from prime Hiruzen but just hype; nah.
Naruto; 122: Inherited Will
Misconception: Destroying the hype
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JIRAIYA perv
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won't post a single scan, all of chapter 122 proves the fact that a prime/willing to kill Hiruzen is above Orochimaru (using Oro's statements).
if Oro was toying/being reckless in the fight then the same can be said for Hiruzen, he was torn inside/did't wanna kill the guy he once considered a son U_U (using Enma's statements).
i said it before and you acted like it never happened, the moment the Hiruzen wank started, most of the people who responded had Oro in their av's/sig's lol and now you post this :yeah: come on bro ...........
if Oro was toying/being reckless in the fight then the same can be said for Hiruzen, he was torn inside/did't wanna kill the guy he once considered a son U_U (using Enma's statements).
i said it before and you acted like it never happened, the moment the Hiruzen wank started, most of the people who responded had Oro in their av's/sig's lol and now you post this :yeah: come on bro ...........
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Old Hiruzen can fight on par with Orochimaru, as shown and stated.
Prime Hiruzen is confirmed to be on another tier to Old Hiruzen, in extension making him on another tier to anyone on Old Hiruzen's tier, Orochimaru included.
Hype or feats play no part in reaching this conclusion, just common sense. Saying he's stronger than Prime Hiruzen when Old Hiruzen is on par with him is ludicrous.
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Thanks....I'm gonna read the whole fight. Anywho....I believe old Hiruzen is weaker than Oro. I feel a Prime Hiruzen is superior though....just my opinion.
JIRAIYA perv
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that's not what he's saying, he's denying that such a thing even existed (Hiruzen's prime) which is beyond what you call "ridiculous/ludicrous".
What part of toying don't people seem to get? We never seen Orochimaru go all out and Prime Hiruzen is nothing but hype, until we see both of these results, all we can do is speculate the outcome.
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and what part of Hiruzen holding back/not wanting to kill Orochimaru is so difficult to understand ?? did you miss Enma's statements ??
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Yeah, Orochimaru with Two Edos toyed with Hiruzen, at the very end where he got curious and wanted to see Reaper Death Seal. That is when he was toying with him.
I wasn't referring to Orochimaru with two Edos, I'm referring to Orochimaru by himself, so that makes the first part of your post null.
The stale "Prime Hiruzen is hype" retort that I keep hearing is getting pretty old. Prime Hiruzen not having feats doesn't mean you can't use common sense.
Orochimaru isn't far enough above Old Hiruzen to say that he beats Prime Hiruzen, that's completely ridiculous.
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Saying Hiruzen didn't have a prime to begin with is the most ludicrous thing to suggest. Everyone has had a prime optimum state they exist in. Hiruzen's prime is backed up by more manga sources than any argument against it.
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Joker
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I'm really not; he's HYPE. Until I see him for own my own eyes and the fact that he lives up to his hype; I won't acknowledge him.
Plus, due post that scan you were referring to in your earlier post; I would ENJOY to see it. Did Old Hiruzen not admit inferiority?
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Sendai Aka No Ou
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You are aware Hiruzen was in such a sorry state he fought most of his fight against Oro when he was near banked out on chakra? Where he reduced his own lifespan just by making two?
Lol this guy.
Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage by iruka....but in old age, he was truly no match for orochimaru...i wonder what would have been the result had orochimaru fought him in his prime...truth be told...we still don't know what hiruzen can do...all we have seen is that he can use five elements, can summon enma and can use a shitty shuriken kage bunshin no jutsu...aldo he can sacrifice his life and his enemy's life at once using the shiki fuujin...hiruzen has lived up to his hype for the first time, we still haven't seen what he can do..
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Godly you really don't give credit where it due do you. Yes he was originally toying with him would you not if you thought you had the upper hand by having the previous two hokage to fight for you who are unkillable and you create a situation from which only you can win but still get owned and run away crying my arms you took away my arms. Hiruzen owns that's all.
JIRAIYA perv
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you have the scans already (chapter 121/122/123) read them carefully.
i don't think that even qualifies as a response/got nothing out of it lol so do you or do you not deny the fact that Hiruzen's prime existed and that it's obviously/logically stronger (actually a LOT stronger if we'll consider Oro/Enma's statements) than his old state ??
if you will insist on making this even more meaningless them i'm out U_U not liking the character doesn't mean that you can deny it's status/level/power.
BTW taking away his Edo toys and crippling him (while seeing Oro shit himself, only surviving it because Hiruzen lacked the chakra to finish the job) does not look good for Oro since like you said, "Hiruzen is inferior" (don't even think about giving me the "toying" response).
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part 1: Hiruzen>orochimaru
part 2: Orochimaru>>>hiruzen
this orcochimaru fanboy is on damage control after seeing hiruzen hold his ground against spiral zetsu, while orochimaru was hiding behind a rock.
part 2: Orochimaru>>>hiruzen
this orcochimaru fanboy is on damage control after seeing hiruzen hold his ground against spiral zetsu, while orochimaru was hiding behind a rock.
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I gave him credit when the first "OHMAGERD HIRUZEN SOLOS BELI IN DER HYPE" thread came out; I don't know what you mean. Orochimaru only prepared the Hokages to tortue Hiruzen; [
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] Anyway's i'm getting bored, imma go finish getting dressed.What? Not having any feats means that everything that is said about said character is speculation until proven. Prime Hiruzen vs (Current) Oro isn't even debatble. And referring to not usimg Edo is kinda pointless as Edo tensei is apart of a persons power anyway. But in regards to yo ur reference, once again, we never seen Oro go all out, even know. So saying Prime Hiruzen > Oro is nothing but speculation
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orochimaru engaged hiruzen himself and was bested by him, there is no toying here
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