Hiruzen.

[Boston Rob]

You need to master MS to be in the Kage tier for the limited amount of time you can use it before reaching blindness. You need EMS or combine your MS with Hashirama's DNA to compete on equal terms with Kage lvl fighters without risking death from the own drawbacks of the techniques and to master them to reach Hokage lvl fighters. This is exactly what the manga shows. So for someone like Itachi he is in the first case unless you count him as an edo

Yup the same manga calls him invincible when hes almost dead.
Talking about Kage lvl fighters - so you think Itachi cant beat Tsunade or Gaara or his father cuz they are Kage. Thats what you are saying here? Do you even know what word Kage means?

 

[Bogard]

Yup the same manga calls him invincible when hes almost dead.
Talking about Kage lvl fighters - so you think Itachi cant beat Tsunade or Gaara or his father cuz they are Kage. Thats what you are saying here? Do you even know what word Kage means?

I'm not saying he can't beat Kage lvl fighters. I'm saying he is on that tier, which means there are some kages he can beat more times than not like there are some other kages who beat him more times than not. To answer your question, my opinion is that he defeats Tsunade, but about Gaara i'm not so sure. This match up would greatly depend on the circumstances and location especially if Shukaku is allowed

 

[Boston Rob]

I'm not saying he can't beat Kage lvl fighters. I'm saying he is on that tier, which means there are some kages he can beat more times than not like there are some other kages who beat him more times than not. To answer your question, my opinion is that he defeats Tsunade, but about Gaara i'm not so sure. This match up would greatly depend on the circumstances and location especially if Shukaku is allowed

Itachi is and always will be top10 you like it or not Bogard Lol
When people who are top7-12 will get sage weapons and masters sharingan perfectly then they will have a chance to puch Itachi from Top10 but only a chance

 

[startup97]

Using 5 elements at the same time with no seals that competes with the Buddha Statue is godly.

 

[Boston Rob]

Using 5 elements at the same time with no seals that competes with the Buddha Statue is godly.

The only godly shinobi on the battlefield right now is Madara, elemets alone are not godly dude, its maybie good skills but not godly thing Lol

 

[Exaar]

So no matter what hes doing and no matter what attack he uses - its Godly.
Half NV can use kage bunshins but when Hiruzen using them - its Godly attack.
Almost everyone has elements , probably everyone has it but not everyone knows how to use it but when Hiruzen shows his elements - its Godly.
I mean if he would fart that would be Godly fart as well.
Thoughts?

Using shadow clones isn't godly

Using elements isn't godly

Using Shaodw clones to use all 5 elements at once is godly. The only people to ever have all 5 elements required to have Godly Eyes (rinnegan) Hiruzen doesn't even need godly power ups to obtain such strength.

 

[Boston Rob]

Using shadow clones isn't godly

Using elements isn't godly

Using Shaodw clones to use all 5 elements at once is godly. The only people to ever have all 5 elements required to have Godly Eyes (rinnegan) Hiruzen doesn't even need godly power ups to obtain such strength.

So then Kakuzu is godly aswell, yeah he not mastered them but fact is he still has all 5 of them. Elements alone are not that powerful if its then Kakuzu would be a God of shinobi Lol

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yes this is the reason why Hiruzen has tittle God of Shinobi.

Whatever he is doing he is doing it at Godly level