Zetsu takes the Gauntlet

[Avinash012]

Most likely they lost a large chunk of chakra when Kurama was plucked out of naruto. I doubt their chakra was used against Spiral zetsu because even Ay was

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. There's no real signs showing that any jintons were fired off. We even see

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implying that battle pretty much just started. Most likely spiral zetsu started tossing mokuton at fodder SA till he reached to the Kage at which point they started getting their chakra-less asses handed to them.

Well, whole SA is helpless because of the simple fact that they're fodder TBH. SA's been helpless even against white zetsu clones so this isn't really hard to believe mini shinshuu is kicking their ass...

I don't think Madara getting Kyuubi from Naruto would effect SA's chakra as I can't see chakra cloaks dis and It won't effect Kage as they didn't recived any chakra from Naruto and not to mention they are almost completly recovered their strength not 100 though.
SA are fodders but that weak since all of them got Kyuubi cloak.
Onoki said that they are using their strongest jutsu's

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[~Sky~]

And our perception of things change when looked at from different view points. If an aerial viewpoint was shown then we'd perceive Kakashi to be tiny compared to the Hachibi. The same goes for Zetsu's Shinsuusenju and Hiruzen in this scenario.

Some viewpoints are more accurate than others though.

 

[Avinash012]

The fact that you literally slip through the ground and appear anywhere on the goddamn earth isn't enough for ya? That black ball can smash the ground all it wants there's plenty more earth to travel through, he appears behind Bee and assaults him again. People are underrating Zetsu just cause he's fighting someone who can use TBB.

Mokuton suppresses Bee as seen when Madara used a wood dragon on him. Latest chapter shows how he's capable of using all of Hashirama's mokuton jutsu on a smaller scale.

We don't know how fast Zetsu is when he is traveling underground and it won't show how the Zetsu can reach ground/go underground faster than TBB.

@Bold: It is not a valid argument as he don't have feats,it is same as saying that Obito can use all of Madara's rinnegan jutsu's on a smaller scale.

 

[KidGamer65]

And our perception of things change when looked at from different view points. If an aerial viewpoint was shown then we'd perceive Kakashi to be tiny compared to the Hachibi. The same goes for Zetsu's Shinsuusenju and Hiruzen in this scenario.

Yeah, we would perceive him to be smaller than the Hachibi, smaller than what we see in that scan. That doesn't change the fact that Hachibi would still look smaller compared to Kakashi than Zetsu's Shinsuusenju would from an aerial viewpoint.

 

[KidGamer65]

More Bijuu comparison pics.

-Bijuu compared to Gaara. [

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-An aerial viewpoint that compares Kakashi's height to the Mazo, which is just as big as B is. [

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Its very very clear that Zetsu's Mini Shinsuusenju is bigger than Killer B. If you put Killer B in the mini Shinsuusenju's place in the scan MR posted, do you believe it'd be around the same size. lol. Hachibi is not that big.

 

[Touken]

Some viewpoints are more accurate than others though.

And you can't compare the size of something to something else when the viewpoints are different. You can, however, when the view points are similar.

you brought that conclusion out of nowhere. This is Bijuu compared to humans [1]. From that comparison, its similar to Naruto and Kakashi with Kurama and Hachibi. That's what the actual scans are presenting, so no more ass pule speculation.

Mini-Shinsuusenju is bigger than Hachibi. Period.

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Brought that conclusion out of nowhere? Did you even see the scans I showed you?

Saying 'period' doesn't make your statements facts.

Period.

Yeah, we would perceive him to be smaller than the Hachibi, smaller than what we see in that scan. That doesn't change the fact that Hachibi would still look smaller compared to Kakashi than Zetsu's Shinsuusenju would from an aerial viewpoint.

On what basis? Do you have a scan showing the size of a human compared to a Bijuu from an aerial viewpoint?

I'll repeat again, from very similar viewpoints, Zetsu's Shinsuusenju is as big as the Shinju's roots and the Hachibi is as big as the Shinju's roots.

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[KidGamer65]

On what basis? Do you have a scan showing the size of a human compared to a Bijuu from an aerial viewpoint?

I'll repeat again, from very similar viewpoints, Zetsu's Shinsuusenju is as big as the Shinju's roots and the Hachibi is as big as the Shinju's roots.

Just posted one, look above.

Yeah, if only all the roots from the Shinju were the same size to begin with.

 

[Optimistic]

We don't know how fast Zetsu is when he is traveling underground and it won't show how the Zetsu can reach ground/go underground faster than TBB.

@Bold: It is not a valid argument as he don't have feats,it is same as saying that Obito can use all of Madara's rinnegan jutsu's on a smaller scale.

His ability to travel underground is somewhat slower than Obito's kamui. His feat was using a mini shinchinchong jutsu spiral already shown the ability to use better mokuton than obito and yamato, even if he couldn't use other mokuton moves(which i don't see why he can't) his ability to use shinchingong is enough to beat the 8 tails.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I don't think Madara getting Kyuubi from Naruto would effect SA's chakra as I can't see chakra cloaks dis and It won't effect Kage as they didn't recived any chakra from Naruto and not to mention they are almost completly recovered their strength not 100 though.
SA are fodders but that weak since all of them got Kyuubi cloak.
Onoki said that they are using their strongest jutsu's

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Naruto melded his Yang kurama with minato's ying a

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. Since then, SA's been running on a

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Then, Naruto got kurama ripped out of him so he could

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- if it even existed anymore. However, Minato

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, so SA is still connected to Minato's

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but, minato's Yin kurama chakra was '

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' a long time ago.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the SA are using a 'dry' Yin Kurama cloak right now. So they're not really benefiting from it.
TBH, it's possible they still have chakra because sakura does when tsunade doesn't. But, that's still a low possibility seeing as obito decked a shit load of their chakra with the shinju. However, like I said, SA are honestly fodder anyway so it really doesn't matter.

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As for the gokage... I'll try to keep this short.

-The gokage were all completely drained

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-Tsunade then got a dan's worth of chakra refill

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; Most likely not a 100% refill because it's honestly insane to think Dan has anywhere near the amount of chakra tsunade has. But, She also would have had to share that little chakra with all of the Gokage, unless she planned to solo? LoL

-Gokage were then kill and tsunade was so low on chakra that

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-Tsunade then

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a karin's worth amount of chakra (most likely she stocked up past 90% which is plausible due to karin being an uzumaki).

-However, tsunade now had to use those new reserves to

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l the other gokage and share out some chakra with them. Tsunade had to most likely split her chakra evenly in 5 parts. These guys were so low that gaara even offered to give them all a ride so that they can coserve what drips they were on.

-at the point they reached the battlefield, they had to fight obito. Tsunade had to mass heal, etc etc etc. Still on the drips of chakra they got from tsunade who got her share from karin...

-The only relevant chakra, K11/Gokage already lost most, if not all their chakra, from the shinjuu's mass drain... Shikamaru almost died after all..

What all this says is that the gokage were more than likely lucky to be running on even 50% when they reached the battlefield... These guys were drained from the start of their bout with zetsu. Like i said, the fact that tsunade didn't even know who was attacking pretty much states that the battle had just begun. Really, only person who had chakra there was Edo Hiruzen/Orochimaru and his boyscouts.

 

[~Sky~]

Couldn't the 5 element attack offset a basic Bijuudama anyway? Or at least slow it's impact so it wouldn't be much harm?

 

[Touken]

More Bijuu comparison pics.

-Bijuu compared to Gaara. [

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-An aerial viewpoint that compares Kakashi's height to the Mazo, which is just as big as B is. [

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Its very very clear that Zetsu's Mini Shinsuusenju is bigger than Killer B. If you put Killer B in the mini Shinsuusenju's place in the scan MR posted, do you believe it'd be around the same size. lol. Hachibi is not that big.

Except that the

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Yeah, if only all the roots from the Shinju were the same size to begin with.

They're all fighting next to the same root.

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Care to show me where all the roots differ in size?

 

[Bronze]

How in the world is

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Brought that conclusion out of nowhere? Did you even see the scans I showed you?

Saying 'period' doesn't make your statements facts.

Period.

The scan of (Kakashi+Naruto+Bee), it was drawn from Naruto's angle, so it would look smaller. However, even if you move the angle, and draw it on the same scale as Naruto with the 7 Bijuu, their size will all be the same. I will even post more Bijuu comparison to prove my point:

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Both different scans from each other. You can see they are from the same view making them the same as with the Hachibi scan. The only difference you would find is their angles. It doesn't change the fact that my comparison of specifically of Shinsuusenju and Hachibi are correct. Also added with the scans KidGamer65 posted.

Stop using speculation BS, because I will be ignoring them from now on unless they are strong.

PERIOD.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except that the

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1. The scan you posted shows half its body in the ground, not crouched.

2. It standing up would make little to no difference, we are comparing size here, not height. The Mazo's full size is still shown in that scan. How would it standing up affect that scan?

They're all fighting next to the same root.

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That is the battlefield that Naruto and the Bijuu fought Madara on, and the same one Tobirama and Sasuke fought Madara on. Which is a completely different section of the area than the Gokage, the SA and Zetsu's fight.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Seriously stop arguing about Size now. WTF does it matter? Shinshuu couldn#t even harm normal humans. Even hashirama's SM shinshuu got it's ass handed to it by a 5-7x smaller entity. It's a known fact kishi's inconsistent with Bijuu/Large summoning sizes. I can find so many scans to prove my point it's borderline ridiculous. I mean, cmon, Is

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bigger than hachibi now!??!

 

[~Sky~]

Shinsusenju couldn't even harm normal humans.

How does it not harm normal humans?

 

[KidGamer65]

Seriously stop arguing about Size now. WTF does it matter? Shinshuu couldn#t even harm normal humans. Even hashirama's SM shinshuu got it's ass handed to it by a 5-7x smaller entity. It's a known fact kishi's inconsistent with Bijuu/Large summoning sizes. I can find so many scans to prove my point it's borderline ridiculous. I mean, cmon, Is

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bigger than hachibi now!??!

Meh, whatever. Might as well.

 

[AGoodBoy]

How does it not harm normal humans?

It didn't say it doesn't, I said it couldn't( as far as we saw ). I'm referring to MEi, base Ay, etc.

 

[Bronze]

Same here. I was simply proving my point of size nothing more.

 

[~Sky~]

It didn't say it doesn't, I said it couldn't( as far as we saw ). I'm referring to MEi, base Ay, etc.

But wouldn't they have died if not for Hiruzen's intervention?

 

[Avinash012]

Naruto melded his Yang kurama with minato's ying a

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. Since then, SA's been running on a

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.
Then, Naruto got kurama ripped out of him so he could

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- if it even existed anymore. However, Minato

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, so SA is still connected to Minato's

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but, minato's Yin kurama chakra was '

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' a long time ago.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the SA are using a 'dry' Yin Kurama cloak right now. So they're not really benefiting from it.
TBH, it's possible they still have chakra because sakura does when tsunade doesn't. But, that's still a low possibility seeing as obito decked a shit load of their chakra with the shinju. However, like I said, SA are honestly fodder anyway so it really doesn't matter.

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As for the gokage... I'll try to keep this short.

-The gokage were all completely drained

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. *

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*

-Tsunade then got a dan's worth of chakra refill

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; Most likely not a 100% refill because it's honestly insane to think Dan has anywhere near the amount of chakra tsunade has. But, She also would have had to share that little chakra with all of the Gokage, unless she planned to solo? LoL

-Gokage were then kill and tsunade was so low on chakra that

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.

-Tsunade then

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a karin's worth amount of chakra (most likely she stocked up past 90% which is plausible due to karin being an uzumaki).

-However, tsunade now had to use those new reserves to

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l the other gokage and share out some chakra with them. Tsunade had to most likely split her chakra evenly in 5 parts. These guys were so low that gaara even offered to give them all a ride so that they can coserve what drips they were on.

-at the point they reached the battlefield, they had to fight obito. Tsunade had to mass heal, etc etc etc. Still on the drips of chakra they got from tsunade who got her share from karin...

-The only relevant chakra, K11/Gokage already lost most, if not all their chakra, from the shinjuu's mass drain... Shikamaru almost died after all..

What all this says is that the gokage were more than likely lucky to be running on even 50% when they reached the battlefield... These guys were drained from the start of their bout with zetsu. Like i said, the fact that tsunade didn't even know who was attacking pretty much states that the battle had just begun. Really, only person who had chakra there was Edo Hiruzen/Orochimaru and his boyscouts.

Well I don't know how SA can't use their KCM power despite of having cloak.

About Kage's, u got good points there but I thought healing jutsu would helps u to recover/restore most of ur chakra so it is only logical to say that they are atlesat above 50%.
Still I can't see how their lame ass jutsu's would work on this dude,Onoki even said that there are using their best jutsu so if safe to assume that even jinton has no effect on it as 50% Onoki can atleast use 2-4 jinton attacks.