So PS > BSM in terms of defense? Still.

[AlphaScythian]

Lel tittle is wrong Op, instead of bsm there should be bm.

BM = legged v3 senjutsu susano. Reason: Juubito's attack made Sasuke lost sussano completly while Naruto only lost chakra kurama avatar preserving sage mode. Yes, after Obito's atack Naruto stood up right away with sage mode on.
This proves BSM > BM

We're are comparing defense capabilities of BSM avatar and senjutsu V3 susanoo. Naruto maintaining SM doesnt relate to anything here.

 

[Brooks]

Again , this :

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Are you saying Naruto tanked that attack or are you just showing me the Juubi's Bijjudama destructive capacity?​

 

[Ahmed1993]

Are you saying Naruto tanked that attack or are you just showing me the Juubi's Bijjudama destructive capacity?​

That was a TBB from V1 Juubi that its power was reduced significantly due to the continuous TBB of Kyuubi and Hachibi

V2 Juubi's TBB =/= V1 Juubi's TBB.
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[Ahmed1993]

I wouldn't put the equal. And you're forgetting that it's about defense only.

That attack destroyed both their defenses , but one of them is a bit more durable then the other , so one took less damage to his body then the other ( Naruto and Sasuke ) , yet they were pretty much on the same physical condition ( both panting and standing slowly after that )

That's why
BSM avatar >= SM V3 Susanoo

 

[KCMNaruto]

We're are comparing defense capabilities of BSM avatar and senjutsu V3 susanoo. Naruto maintaining SM doesnt relate to anything here.

incorrect logic. According to your tittle Naruto should be NO JUST out of bm but also He should loose SM.
This one reason that Naruto was able to still maintain his sage mode debunks your idea that: v3 legged sm sussano = bsm

Instead correct statement is: legged v3 sm sussano = bm.

You clearly uderstimate Bsm or lack knowledge about difference between bm and bsm.

Yes I am also only reffering to defence factor.

 

[shelke]

Naruto can only lose SM once his own chakra reaches zero. What the heck does it have anything to do with BM's cloak? This logic doesn't even make any sense to me.

 

[Wolfus]

That attack destroyed both their defenses , but one of them is a bit more durable then the other , so one took less damage to his body then the other ( Naruto and Sasuke ) , yet they were pretty much on the same physical condition ( both panting and standing slowly after that )

That's why
BSM avatar >= SM V3 Susanoo

I explained that already. That scan only proves that the force of impact was beyond the breaking point of both defenses, that doesn't mean they would be on the same level. Let me give an exemple: imagine you put something(something that can be broken if it threw onto the ground). You put that object in a box. You throw it(towards the ground)strong enough for the box to break, but the object could still be in the ground without too much damage(as least from something I saw). Now imagine you get a box that it's twice as hard to break, and you do the same thing. The box breakes but the object stays there just like in the first trial.

That can happen, and there could be almost no difference from the state of the object. That doesn't mean the boxes have the same durability.

 

[AlphaScythian]

incorrect logic. According to your tittle Naruto should be NO JUST out of bm but also He should loose SM.
This one reason that Naruto was able to still maintain his sage mode debunks your idea that: v3 legged sm sussano = bsm
Instead correct statement is: legged v3 sm sussano = bm.
You clearly uderstimate Bsm or lack knowledge about difference between bm and bsm.
Yes I am also only reffering to defence factor.

In no way shape or form. BSM Avatar destroyed, Susanoo destroyed. Naruto had it easier with the fall as his body is enhanced with SM thus he didnt lose it and lifted up some 30 sec before sasuke.

Sasuke standing up shortly after SM naruto actually indicates that susanoo held off better as we all know that SM naruto can take high altitude fall like nothing in SM, base sasuke cant.

Even if BSM was to be slightly durable then SM v3 i wouldnt care as PS trumps that easily.

 

[Ahmed1993]

I explained that already. That scan only proves that the force of impact was beyond the breaking point of both defenses, that doesn't mean they would be on the same level. Let me give an exemple: imagine you put something(something that can be broken if it threw onto the ground). You put that object in a box. You throw it(towards the ground)strong enough for the box to break, but the object could still be in the ground without too much damage(as least from something I saw). Now imagine you get a box that it's twice as hard to break, and you do the same thing. The box breakes but the object stays there just like in the first trial.

That can happen, and there could be almost no difference from the state of the object. That doesn't mean the boxes have the same durability.

Add that to the superhuman durability of people in Naruto and the fact that Naruto stood up first and your reasoning make sense.
So BSM avatar is indeed > SM V3 Susanoo. ( but not by much)

Too bad i can't rep you bro

 

[Wolfus]

Add that to the superhuman durability of people in Naruto and the fact that Naruto stood up first and your reasoning make sense.
So BSM avatar is indeed > SM V3 Susanoo. ( but not by much)

Too bad i can't rep you bro

I'm glad we agreed.

 

[KCMNaruto]

^^ well ok...

but if obito's attack was powerfull enough then naruto should be knocked out of sm... not just lost his kurama avatar.

Now for Naruto being able to maintain sm either:

1)juubito attack forced sage chakra back in Naruto leaving kurama'a avatar. However it could only rise question: were these two powers mix with each pthwr or just can be used separately ?

2) Naruto put only some of his sage chakra into kurama cloak so Naruto was able to still maintain sm. However this rises question: weren't these powers suppoused to be used as one ? if so then Naruto should not put any sagw chakra in cloak manually as it should happen automatically without Naruto's interference required.

 

[Brooks]

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If what you're saying is that Naruto tanked a Bijjudama from V1 Juubi(which is a multi continent attack), then this clearly bullshit....Naruto and scooby doo with the rest of their gang would have been obliterated from the face of the earth if he had gotten hit with such a powerful attack.​

And one other thing....the attack your claiming got bigger because of the continuous Bijjudamas from both the Kyuubi and Hachibi is completely wrong....the Juubi himself cause the destructive power.​

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[AlphaScythian]

1)juubito attack forced sage chakra back in Naruto leaving kurama'a avatar. However it could only rise question: were these two powers mix with each pthwr or just can be used separately ?

2) Naruto put only some of his sage chakra into kurama cloak so Naruto was able to still maintain sm. However this rises question: weren't these powers suppoused to be used as one ? if so then Naruto should not put any sagw chakra in cloak manually as it should happen automatically without Naruto's interference required.

Naruto is the medium between kurama's chakra and nature. Once in SM he is connected with the nature until SM runs out. The fall made him lose concentration thus balancing BM.
Its only explanation i can come up with for now, but i dont think kishi was over thinking it as you do lol.

One thing is for sure, given the shape he was in with SM (unlike mentioned fall at training), w/o it he'd be dead.

 

[Ahmed1993]

If what you're saying is that Naruto tanked a Bijjudama from V1 Juubi(which is a multi continent attack), then this clearly bullshit....Naruto and scooby doo with the rest of their gang would have been obliterated from the face of the earth if he had gotten hit with such a powerful attack.​

And one other thing....the attack your claiming got bigger because of the continuous Bijjudamas from both the Kyuubi and Hachibi is completely wrong....the Juubi himself cause the destructive power.​

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Do you know how to read ?

I said that V1 Juubi's TBB is nowhere near as powerful as V2 Juubi's TBB ( the one that is continent level )
And Naruto tanked V1 Juubi's TBB not the V2 Juubi's TBB.

 

[Brooks]

Do you know how to read?

I said that V1 Juubi's TBB is nowhere near as powerful as V2 Juubi's TBB ( the one that is continent level )
And Naruto tanked V1 Juubi's TBB not the V2 Juubi's TBB.

You're asking me whether i know how to read or not, but here you are and claiming that Naruto tanked a Bijuudama from V1 Juubi(even though that wasn't the case).​

The first version of the Juubi has never used a Bijuudama...what he used was a laser.​

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^V1 Juubi​

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^Here is the same V1 Juubi using the laser against Naruto and Bee with their continuous Bijuudam.​

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^V2 Juubi(which is the form that used the Bijuudama manga scan you keep posting)
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It's very simple....i can't keep explaing this to you.​

 

[Retsu]

In no way shape or form. BSM Avatar destroyed, Susanoo destroyed. Naruto had it easier with the fall as his body is enhanced with SM thus he didnt lose it and lifted up some 30 sec before sasuke.

Sasuke standing up shortly after SM naruto actually indicates that susanoo held off better as we all know that SM naruto can take high altitude fall like nothing in SM, base sasuke cant.

Even if BSM was to be slightly durable then SM v3 i wouldnt care as PS trumps that easily.

BM cloak is WAAAAY more practical since it's smaller and offers as much protection as a V3 susanoo. if in a confined space PS can't be used since it's too big. and the ribs and v2 have already been penetrated, so when it comes down to it BM cloak is better since it's more practical.

 

[VongolaX]

Juubi Tenpachii

complete Susanoo tanked it, and so did BSM naruto's cloak.

PS is much more durable than bijuu cloak because it reached its peak with the tenpachi defense.

 

[Ahmed1993]

You're asking me whether i know how to read or not, but here you are and claiming that Naruto tanked a Bijuudama from V1 Juubi(even though that wasn't the case).​

The first version of the Juubi has never used a Bijuudama...what he used was a laser.​

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^V1 Juubi​

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^Here is the same V1 Juubi using the laser against Naruto and Bee with their continuous Bijuudam.​

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^V2 Juubi(which is the form that used the Bijuudama manga scan you keep posting)
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It's very simple....i can't keep explaing this to you.​

And this is what happened after the scan you posted

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They tanked it ( Manga fact )

And i already said V2 Juubi's TBB =/= V1 Juubi's TBB or laser or whatever

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto used his tails to block the Juubilaser (Still lost 6 tails though) while he took a direct hit to his avatar from Obito's slam, as the tails are more durable than the avatar's body (Going by manga facts) you can't say BSM Cloak offers as much protection as a Senjutsu enhanced V3 Susanoo, cause that is false.

 

[Ahmed1993]

BM cloak is WAAAAY more practical since it's smaller and offers as much protection as a V3 susanoo. if in a confined space PS can't be used since it's too big. and the ribs and v2 have already been penetrated, so when it comes down to it BM cloak is better since it's more practical.

The ribs were broken by Ay who is one of the strongest Shinobi when it come to physical power.
V2 was broken by Ay and Onoki together who are two Kage level Shinobi ( Onoki controlling the weight of Ay for attack and speed )