Itachi's tsukuyomi 1 hits Jinchuriki.

[Owarij]

Pretty sure it lasted more than a second here when Zetsu has time to notice things within the genjutsu [1]

No one said Itachi altered perception of time in that fight.. He had no reason to.. Danzo said Itachi COULD do it, if he wanted, not that it was a neccesary factor of all his genjutsu



i'm really interested in why you think Kakashi fainted. Why his body shut down and was put into a coma. Why it was medical ninjutsu that healed the effects...The pain itself obviously wasn't real, It's a mental thing, but the mental trauma on the brain still caused it to shutdown, just as it would happen if you physically tortured someone for an extended period..
The genjutsu itself would not kill you, Its effect could cause death depending on how bad they are

 

[xxSAGExx]

Yes I've seen this before hence why I also said "knock him out". I won't really get into the killing part since it doesn't really hinder my point anyways since the opponent who can't resist it would go down either way.

Yes Sasuke did indeed breal databook states it as well I dont disregard it but you have to remember that Itachi went into that fight to lose to Sasuke meaning he held back on him. How could he have known that Sasuke was able to break tsukuyomi? He didn't so he held back on him so he wouldn't put him down.

Also the example used in the uchiha massacre doesn't work.. unless you believe a kid sasuke who didn't have sharingan activated can resist better than Kakashi who had sharingan active. Itachi still had to tell him things hence why he kept him conscious.

When Itachi did intend to put someone down with it he did and did in a second as said by asuma and kurenai. All those other situations don't work against it since Itachi didn't use it with the same intent.

You do know Itachi was also pushing Sasuke to his limits to force out Sasuke and see what Sasuke could do right? Why would he hold back when he wants to push Sasuke? He didn't hold back on Amaterasu, he hit Sasuke with it and Sasuke used Oral rebirth to escape it. Read what Obito said, freedom from the CM and the death with someone close

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The bijuu still operates on real time. They are not connected to the part of the brain that is affected by the genjutsu. Once one moment passes in real time, bee would have already experienced the full effects of tsukyomi,.
Itachi doesn't make tsukyomi feel like one second. He makes it feel like days.. The genjutsu itself is actually 1 second or less

Genjutsu works by the caster's chakra manipulates the victim's chakra, thus affecting their senses. A Jinchuuriki's chakra and mind are connected to their Bijuu (for the chakra it depends on the seal like Naruto's natural mix Kurama's chakra with his own). Also Bijuus can pull their Jinchuuriki to them or the Jin can go to them whenever they want and we see Naruto went to different planes as he did when he went from fighting Kurama to talking to his mom to fighting Kurama and back to his mom which took place in two different planes. So did Obito not do anything when Naruto grabbed the Bijuu's chakra receivers here

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totalking to the Bijuus

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so Obito was just chilling on the Gedo's head for the 5 or so minutes that Naruto was in the Bijuu's minds?

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Naruto and Bee can even hear the telepathic convo between Kurama and the 8 tails

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. Do you think they could do that if they weren't connected? What's stopping Naruto or Bee from talking to the Bijuus from within Tsukuyomi? How could they if the time differences effected them differently? The Bijuus are clearly in whatever time the Jin is in since they are connected.

How can they get out without their Bijuu's help? Same way Sasuke did, Sasuke's CM disrupted his chakra flow because it's a stronger chakra flow than his own and one of the ways to break a genjutsu is to disrupt your chakra flow

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. Naruto can access his KM chakra whenever he wants

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, this chakra would disrupt his chakra flow with an even greater one like Sasuke's CM did. Bee can do the same because he was the one who told Naruto that the chakra he takes from his Bijuu would be his forever

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[Mitarashi]

You do know Itachi was also pushing Sasuke to his limits to force out Sasuke and see what Sasuke could do right? Why would he hold back when he wants to push Sasuke? He didn't hold back on Amaterasu, he hit Sasuke with it and Sasuke used Oral rebirth to escape it. Read what Obito said, freedom from the CM and the death with someone close

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Genjutsu works by the caster's chakra manipulates the victim's chakra, thus affecting their senses. A Jinchuuriki's chakra and mind are connected to their Bijuu (for the chakra it depends on the seal like Naruto's natural mix Kurama's chakra with his own). Also Bijuus can pull their Jinchuuriki to them or the Jin can go to them whenever they want and we see Naruto went to different planes as he did when he went from fighting Kurama to talking to his mom to fighting Kurama and back to his mom which took place in two different planes. So did Obito not do anything when Naruto grabbed the Bijuu's chakra receivers here

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totalking to the Bijuus

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so Obito was just chilling on the Gedo's head for the 5 or so minutes that Naruto was in the Bijuu's minds?

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Naruto and Bee can even hear the telepathic convo between Kurama and the 8 tails

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. Do you think they could do that if they weren't connected? What's stopping Naruto or Bee from talking to the Bijuus from within Tsukuyomi? How could they if the time differences effected them differently? The Bijuus are clearly in whatever time the Jin is in since they are connected.

How can they get out without their Bijuu's help? Same way Sasuke did, Sasuke's CM disrupted his chakra flow because it's a stronger chakra flow than his own and one of the ways to break a genjutsu is to disrupt your chakra flow

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. Naruto can access his KM chakra whenever he wants

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, this chakra would disrupt his chakra flow with an even greater one like Sasuke's CM did. Bee can do the same because he was the one who told Naruto that the chakra he takes from his Bijuu would be his forever

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And this is all put to rest because he CANNOT DO THESE THINGS IN UNDER A SECOND, because no matter what you say, he's not going to realize he's in it before it's been 3 days and he's dead.

Reasons being?
To first break out of a genjutsu, you must realize you're inside of one.
Once you're inside it, you're done.

 

[Xāvî1]

It's pretty obvious, but I've seen so many people that think other wise.
Yes, a tailed beast ( assuming it wants too ) will break someone out of a genjutsu, after said person had been placed in it, effectively ending it before any harm can be done.
But Itachi can just manipulate those few seconds to a full scale tsukuyomi, it is technically one of the "Fastest" justu, because it can be at any speed.
Was this ability unique to Itachi? Or tsukuyomi? Or just something a very experienced genjutsu user could accomplish. Probably the later considering he was good friends with Shisui "the teleporter", he whom had the most powerful genjutsu.


Still
Skilled tsukuyomi > Anyone that isn't an Uchiha. ( that has MS+ ).

Excapt naruto and bee.. others don't know

 

[Owarij]

Genjutsu works by the caster's chakra manipulates the victim's chakra, thus affecting their senses. A Jinchuuriki's chakra and mind are connected to their Bijuu

Your entire argument is based on a false premise and thus your conclusion is also invalid... Genjutsu targets the brain, more specifically the optical nerves of the brain...It plays on the ninjas sense of sight, smell, touch etc.....The bijuu and the jinchuriki, though they share a conciousness , do not share a brain, That can be confirmed by the very fact that Bijuu's don't get hit with the genjutsu when their Jinks do..Once Bee is in the genjutsu, it's his brain that is being messed with, He's forced to see the red clouds of Tsukyomi, the Bijuu still see's through his normal eyes which are working perfectly... the same bijuu does not have its perception of time altered and operates on real time basis. The genjutsu starts and ends before the beast would be even able to break him out, because in that one second or less, bee would have already had the full effects thrown upon him

As for the latter part of your argument, unfortunately once again a false premise. Sasuke never used Cursed Seal to best Itachi's Tsukyomi, The majority of what was displayed was just a figment of Sasuke's imagination that never actually occured in reality . Cursed seal was never activated . It was all in the genjutsu. We can confirm this by simply paying attention to detail.
Sasuke's clothing was ripped by the formation of his wings when entering his v2 state

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When the genjutsu is broken, we see Sasuke with undestroyed clothing falling to his knees, and both Itachi and Sasuke in two completely different positions than depicted in the genjutsu

 

[shelke]

Was it examples how Yagura got placed under a Genjutsu? No. What Does Obito have that Itachi and Sasuke doesn't? He mastered the Sharingan beyond both from his training with Madara and having it for a much longer time as well as having Senju DNA. Either way that's Obito and not anyone else who did that yey he couldn't do it to Naruto or Bee even when he was in their faces. Madara and Obito are the only ones to control Kurama with only their 3 Tomoes Sharingans while Sasuke and Itachi stated they need the MS power for such feat.

Doesn't matter. Yagura was placed under a powerful Genjutsu, which means it's completely within a Sharingan wielder's grasp to do so. That's all I need to know.

Kakashi actually had MS, just 3t activated.
As for Sasuke, Itachi WANTED HIM TO WIN, he didn't kill/incapacitate Sasuke for the same reason he didn't just totsuka the whole time.

Kakashi cannot break out of any powerful Sharingan genjutsu, let alone a Tsukuyomi as he lacks Uchiha Blood; something Itachi specifically pointed out. And there is no indication of Itachi holding Tsukuyomi back, as he can control it the way he likes - including in which manner the time would flow. The stabbing sensation was chosen by Itachi for Kakashi and for Sasuke he chose the affects of pulling his eye-ball out.

Itachi held back Tsukuyomi on Sasuke in that fight since he didn't necessarily want to kill him or knock him out with it.

No, he did not. Itachi stated to Kakashi in part one that Sasuke can break his Tsukuyomi.

 

[Senju Bean]

It doesn't nesscarily one shot. With enough willpower, the user can withstand the torture of the genjutsu.

 

[RikudouMadara]

It doesn't nesscarily one shot. With enough willpower, the user can withstand the torture of the genjutsu.

Idk....has anyone ever actually done it?

 

[Tera Path]

Tsukuyomi doesn't solo everyone.

Itachi's Tsukuyomi can solo anyone.
Assuming you get hit in it, you're done for.
Unless of course you are a skilled sharingan user then you will still have a chance to dis-spell it before it happens.

A Bijuu wouldn't be able to wake you up in time.

I still believe that there are other ways to escape it.
For example, Ma+Pa kept feeding their chakra into Jiraiya, not really stopping, so maybe it can hit but it would be over instantly, leaving no/minor effects.

Not too sure about Sakura's yin seal though, i think she would still get screwed over considering that it's still her own chakra.

Anyone with the Rinnegan would still get screwed over, anyone who said that the Rinnegan is immune to genjutsu, please enlighten me how and why it is.

I think that being the Juubi Jin is the same as having someone continuously feeding chakra into you, Obito went under completely different transformation physically, and his Jutsus were all with Nature energy, which as far as we know Obito doesn't even know how to absorb Nature energy.

 

[xxSAGExx]

And this is all put to rest because he CANNOT DO THESE THINGS IN UNDER A SECOND, because no matter what you say, he's not going to realize he's in it before it's been 3 days and he's dead.

Reasons being?
To first break out of a genjutsu, you must realize you're inside of one.
Once you're inside it, you're done.

What makes you think he needs to do it under a second? the victim is in the time perception of Itachi's choosing, whatever he does in that time would still occur in that time. Do you think Sasuke can Itachi did not really talk for 2-5 minutes when they were in Tsukyomi since you can't talk for that long in a sec, no because the caster and victim are in the genjutsu. The way you're describing it, Sasuke and Kakashi were not present in Tsukuyomi and talking to Itachi because they wouldn't know they were in it.

What did Minato do when he was talking to Naruto by Kurama? Snapped his fingers and they were in a different plane. Naruto does this again while fighting Kurama then going to go talk to Kushina. He then went to another plane with the Bijuus that even the Sharingan can't get to and time was different in the plane or as Obito would attacked Naruto for the 3-5mins he was with the Bijuus.

Also Naruto could just disrupt his chakra while in Tsukuyomi with his KM chakra as Sasuke did with CM.

Your entire argument is based on a false premise and thus your conclusion is also invalid... Genjutsu targets the brain, more specifically the optical nerves of the brain...It plays on the ninjas sense of sight, smell, touch etc.....The bijuu and the jinchuriki, though they share a conciousness , do not share a brain, That can be confirmed by the very fact that Bijuu's don't get hit with the genjutsu when their Jinks do..Once Bee is in the genjutsu, it's his brain that is being messed with, He's forced to see the red clouds of Tsukyomi, the Bijuu still see's through his normal eyes which are working perfectly... the same bijuu does not have its perception of time altered and operates on real time basis. The genjutsu starts and ends before the beast would be even able to break him out, because in that one second or less, bee would have already had the full effects thrown upon him

As for the latter part of your argument, unfortunately once again a false premise. Sasuke never used Cursed Seal to best Itachi's Tsukyomi, The majority of what was displayed was just a figment of Sasuke's imagination that never actually occured in reality . Cursed seal was never activated . It was all in the genjutsu. We can confirm this by simply paying attention to detail.
Sasuke's clothing was ripped by the formation of his wings when entering his v2 state

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When the genjutsu is broken, we see Sasuke with undestroyed clothing falling to his knees, and both Itachi and Sasuke in two completely different positions than depicted in the genjutsu

How do you think a genjutsu can affect the brain? The caster's chakra targets the chakra flow to the brain and can effect the senses. They don't need so share a brain since it's the chakra that matters, genjutsu doesn't magically affect your brain it's the caster's chakra.

"Genjutsu techniques are the illusion techniques of a ninja, they normally require hand seals. Genjutsu will use hypnotism to cause hallucinations in others. By causing such illusions they can cause their target mental pain and suffering just as real as physical hurt. Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses."

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To Sasuke he did use it in the Genjutsu, the jutsu takes place in his mind after all. Sasuke's eye was ripped out by Itachi so what? Sasuke still felt the pain of it same for Kakashi, he wasn't bleeding in real world yet he felt the pain.

Doesn't matter. Yagura was placed under a powerful Genjutsu, which means it's completely within a Sharingan wielder's grasp to do so. That's all I need to know.



Kakashi cannot break out of any powerful Sharingan genjutsu, let alone a Tsukuyomi as he lacks Uchiha Blood; something Itachi specifically pointed out. And there is no indication of Itachi holding Tsukuyomi back, as he can control it the way he likes - including in which manner the time would flow. The stabbing sensation was chosen by Itachi for Kakashi and for Sasuke he chose the affects of pulling his eye-ball out.



No, he did not. Itachi stated to Kakashi in part one that Sasuke can break his Tsukuyomi.

For the first part, just because Obito did it doesn't mean others can. Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi like Itachi can he? Not without training. We're talking about how the characters are now or from what we saw of them so they have no training to learn to do that plus Obito have Senju DNA which is hax power up.

Idk....has anyone ever actually done it?

Have anyone but summons die from Amaterasu? Just can't it wasn't done doesn't make it so unless we get hints from others. Zetsu who have Madara's will and shown to have intense knowledge imply Tsukuyomi doesn't kill and we know some ninjas with high defenses and recovery rate so why not?

 

[shelke]

^ Sasuke has EMS now and he has yet to use EMS Genjutsu. So hold it, pal.