Itachi's tsukuyomi 1 hits Jinchuriki.

[Umari Senju]

Sasuke had no problem putting Cee under a genjutsu, and it wasn't even Itachi's masterful tsukuyomi that can be cast with a finger.
I doubt they'd be able to counter it. None of the sensors at the kage summit saw Shisui's genjutsu untill AFTER it was cast, and they were some of the finest.

that's a good point I completely forgot about those two. See this is one of the reasons i don't care for the Uchiha. Too many unbeatable jutsu. The only way they are ever defeated is by plot of some kind. They have to have an illness, or someone else has to share the same bloodline or have one of their eyes just to win.

It's ridiculously one sided for everyone who is not an uchiha or the hero. No one can beat them with skill alone unless you're an OP Senju. It's annoying XD

 

[Uchiha Sutona]

Honestly, Its Itachi's Tsukuyomi that has that power. Reminisce to the battle between Sasuke and Danzo. Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Danzo but it wasn't as potent as Itachi's. So yeah Itachi's is very powerful.. but honestly I dont think it would affect a Jin for that long. If Naruto and Kurama were up against Itachi, they would already be prepared for a genjutsu... All it takes is one second for Itachi to affect Naruto, but it takes less than a second for Kurama to stop it.

Itachi and Sasuke are opposites; Itachi was said to be a skilled user with amaterasu (because he was the only one we knew could use it) but If you compare his usage to Sasuke's he pails in comparison. If you compare Sasuke's Tsukuyomi to Itachi's, Sasuke pails in comparison. I like the way Kishi did this. Kinda balances out Sasuke's powers now that hes achieved EMS.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I believe Bee was a Perfect Jin at the time. I believe Perfect Jins can't escape it.

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I wouldn't trust Naruto's words. Remember how he said anyone caught in Chibaku Tensei is as good as dead, but Itachi had to remind him he had been caught and is alive?

Also how he remembered Nagato can absorb ninjutsu only to immediately use ninjutsu on him.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Absolutely , Bee took several seconds to escape from a regular 3T Sharingan by Itachi

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Itachi's Tsuku would OS A perfect Jin U_U

 

[Umari Senju]

I wouldn't trust Naruto's words. Remember how he said anyone caught in Chibaku Tensei is as good as dead, but Itachi had to remind him he had been caught and is alive?

Also how he remembered Nagato can absorb ninjutsu only to immediately use ninjutsu on him.

right just like he figured out you need senjutsu to hit Jin Obiti then almost seconds later forgot about it XD I agree can't take Naruto's warnings too seriously. Lol

 

[3MESSIAH]

of course.this should be obvious.

 

[VongolaX]

Anyone with Uchiha blood can SURVIVE the tsukuyomi.
It takes incredible visual prowess to break out of it.



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Where did the manga say this?

Remember Kakashi had 3 tomoe and he fainted, while Sasuke with 3 tomoe broke it.

 

[Mitarashi]

Yeah no. Jinchuriki have three planes of consciousness, the two individual consciousness of the host and Bijuu and a shared plane where they communicate.

Tsukiyomi only affects the host's individual plane. Also, Itachi can only manipulate the affected's perception of time, not time itself. Even if Itachi makes the Tsukiyomi feel like one second, it's longer than that. Since the Bijuu is on a separate plane and not affected, it can break out the host in time before any damage is done.

Where did the manga say this?

Remember Kakashi had 3 tomoe and he fainted, while Sasuke with 3 tomoe broke it.

Kakashi actually had MS, just 3t activated.
As for Sasuke, Itachi WANTED HIM TO WIN, he didn't kill/incapacitate Sasuke for the same reason he didn't just totsuka the whole time.

 

[shelke]

Any powerful Genjutsu from Sharingan puts a Jinchurichi down. This is a fact that was explained through Yagura's manipulation at the hands of Obito, who doesn't have Tsukuyomi and just like Bee, he was also a perfect Jin.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Kakashi actually had MS, just 3t activated.
As for Sasuke, Itachi WANTED HIM TO WIN, he didn't kill/incapacitate Sasuke for the same reason he didn't just totsuka the whole time.

Classic itachitard logic

 

[Oblivionx]

no.............

 

[Bogard]

Itachi's tsukuyomi last few seconds. Zetsu had time to notice something [

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] during the time frame when Sasuke was in Itachi's tsukuyomi sometime after it was cast. It gives more than enough time to the Bijuu to infuse chakra in his jinchuriki and thus breaking it

 

[Murasame]

Itachi's tsukuyomi last few seconds. Zetsu had time to notice something [

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] during the time frame when Sasuke was in Itachi's tsukuyomi sometime after it was cast. It gives more than enough time to the Bijuu to infuse chakra in his jinchuriki and thus breaking it

Itachi held back Tsukuyomi on Sasuke in that fight since he didn't necessarily want to kill him or knock him out with it.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Itachi's tsukuyomi last few seconds. Zetsu had time to notice something [

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] during the time frame when Sasuke was in Itachi's tsukuyomi sometime after it was cast. It gives more than enough time to the Bijuu to infuse chakra in his jinchuriki and thus breaking it

Absolutely , Bee took several seconds to escape from a regular 3T Sharingan by Itachi

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Itachi's Tsuku would OS A perfect Jin U_U

Itachi's Tsuku last 1 sec , deal with it U_U

 

[xxSAGExx]

It's pretty obvious, but I've seen so many people that think other wise.
Yes, a tailed beast ( assuming it wants too ) will break someone out of a genjutsu, after said person had been placed in it, effectively ending it before any harm can be done.
But Itachi can just manipulate those few seconds to a full scale tsukuyomi, it is technically one of the "Fastest" justu, because it can be at any speed.
Was this ability unique to Itachi? Or tsukuyomi? Or just something a very experienced genjutsu user could accomplish. Probably the later considering he was good friends with Shisui "the teleporter", he whom had the most powerful genjutsu.


Still
Skilled tsukuyomi > Anyone that isn't an Uchiha. ( that has MS+ ).

Nope, You're thinking the Bijuu wouldn't be affect by the time loop as well but they would since their mind are connected to the Jinchuuriki and that's how they can talk to them or pull them to their inner mind where the Bijuu resides. Also time is a bit different where the Bijuus are or you're telling me Obito did notihng while Naruto was pulling the chakra receivers from the edo jins while Naruto was talking to the Bijuu deep in their sub-consciousness?

Bijuus react right after it's cast in the real world, same amount of time would apply since Tsukuyomi takes place inside the victims mind. Plus you forgot how Sasuke escaped, He needed to activate his CM which looks like it disrupted his chakra to break out, that's 1 of the 3 ways to break Genjutsus. Naruto can easily activate his KM chakra to disrupt his chakra on his own if he wants since it's sectioned away from Kurama and that chakra is his always

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. Bee can do the same as he was the one who told Naruto the chakra he takes is his forever.

There's honestly no reason it wouldn't defeat a Juubi jin that didn't have MS +.
note however that MS+ Includes Rinnegan lol, someone like Nagato is still vulnerable to genjutsu.

While Tsukuyomi isn't a killing move, it inflicts injuries so the person can't fight anymore. Zetsu wasn't surprised Sasuke was still alive but was when Sasuke was able to get up, He knows it's not a killing jutsu, it lowers your morality. Juubi Jins can't be hurt by anything but senjutsu so any wounds they feel would just recover from. Juubito actually split himself into top halve and bottom halve afterall. And Nagato was only shown to be affected by genjutsu that weren't visual genjutsus. Edo Itachi didn't even try to use any genjutsu on Edo Nagato even though he used it on Bee and his whole plan for Kabuto revolved Genjutsu.

Agreed 100 %

Yea a jinchuriki like killer bee can escape from itachi's tsukyomi but he need a second But the damage would be already done by Itachi.

Not really, Bijuus mind is connected with the Jins mind, they'll break them out before damage is done since everyone is looking at the Bijuu being outside the Jin while they reside within the Jin and is connected to them. Time doesn't even run normal for the Bijuu/Jin when they talk at times. Naruto was talking to 6Bijuus in the Bijuus mind while in the real world his chakra arms were pulling their chakra receivers. Since Obito didn't do anything about it that whole time, the time Naruto was there had to have been going at a faster rate than real time.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Any powerful Genjutsu from Sharingan puts a Jinchurichi down. This is a fact that was explained through Yagura's manipulation at the hands of Obito, who doesn't have Tsukuyomi and just like Bee, he was also a perfect Jin.

Was it examples how Yagura got placed under a Genjutsu? No. What Does Obito have that Itachi and Sasuke doesn't? He mastered the Sharingan beyond both from his training with Madara and having it for a much longer time as well as having Senju DNA. Either way that's Obito and not anyone else who did that yey he couldn't do it to Naruto or Bee even when he was in their faces. Madara and Obito are the only ones to control Kurama with only their 3 Tomoes Sharingans while Sasuke and Itachi stated they need the MS power for such feat.

A jinchuriki can't escape tsy since it lasts 1 second.

1 Sec in real time, Jins and Bijuu's minds are connected and Tsy takes place in the victims mind so the Bijuu would be able to break the jin out if they choose too.

Anyone with Uchiha blood can SURVIVE the tsukuyomi.
It takes incredible visual prowess to break out of it.


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You mean the same Itachi who said he can't beat Jiraiya and said that was right? This is what makes no sense, people want to believe Itachi when he says that even though he was said to be a liar nor was it ever even proven to be true then when he's an edo he states that every jutsu have a weakness so Edo Itachi who is being himself words > Spy Itachi who have to act like a villain with Kisame there. Jiraiya fighting Pein actually at least proved Itachi's words about him true sheesh.

Sasuke used his CM to break out, CM would disrupt his chakra which is one of the three ways to break out. Plus Itachi never shown to have met a Prefect Jinchuuriki, Kishi introduced Prefect Jins in part 2 and we know part 2 info>Part 1.

Not sure what you're talking about.
I am just saying that before a Jinchuriki can be broken out of the tsukuyomi by their Bijuu, they have been hit by a 3 day tsukuyomi
Essentially ending the fight, unless you're an Uchiha.
And then Susano'o just seals you while you're recovering.

How? The Tsukuyomi time affects the person's perception of time from within the genjutsu, Bijuus are connected to the Jins mind where the Genjutsu would take place. Also another way to break out is like what Sasuke did, he activate the CM to disrupt his chakra since it's gives him more chakra and is one of the three ways to break out. Naruto or Bee can do the same since they have some of their Bijuu's powers

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Well he can kill anyone not of the Uchiha in under a second, since it pretty much broke Kakashi ( with MS/3t) in under a second..
All I mean to say is that his tsukuyomi has no problem against Jin.

Kakashi didn't have MS activated and we know he can't use the Sharingan to it's fullest capabilities since he's not a true Uchiha as Itachi stated. Jins and their Bijuus minds are connected, Genjutsu takes place in the person's mine so the Bijuu would be within the relm where they can break it since you make it seem like Bijuus would stay in real time while the Jin is in Tsu time. We seen Naruto go into more than one level of consciousness, he went from fighting Kurama to talking to his mom to back fighting Kurama then went back to his mom.

Also you seem to forget Naruto and Bee can just disrupt their chakra with the chakra they took from their Bijuus

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. Bee stated that power is theirs for life

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. Sasuke used CM to break out

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I believe Bee was a Perfect Jin at the time. I believe Perfect Jins can't escape it.

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Guess what, Bee didn't say that. Naruto who wasn't a prefect Jin and was not shown to learn that the Bijuu can break them out of genjutsu, is who said that.

Sasuke had no problem putting Cee under a genjutsu, and it wasn't even Itachi's masterful tsukuyomi that can be cast with a finger.
I doubt they'd be able to counter it. None of the sensors at the kage summit saw Shisui's genjutsu untill AFTER it was cast, and they were some of the finest.

Go back and look at how Sasuke got Cei, Cei even said Sasuke used Juugo's attack as a distraction to get him

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. It wasn't because 3 Tomoes genjutsu was just that strong, it was setup to be used. None of the other Sensors where there, they were watching Danzo. Only Cei and Karin were there and Karin didn't react until after because Sasuke already saw through the genjutsu and snapped Juugo out.

This is Karin checking for Genjutsus

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Yeah no. Jinchuriki have three planes of consciousness, the two individual consciousness of the host and Bijuu and a shared plane where they communicate.

Tsukiyomi only affects the host's individual plane. Also, Itachi can only manipulate the affected's perception of time, not time itself. Even if Itachi makes the Tsukiyomi feel like one second, it's longer than that. Since the Bijuu is on a separate plane and not affected, it can break out the host in time before any damage is done.

Agree^^^

Absolutely , Bee took several seconds to escape from a regular 3T Sharingan by Itachi

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Itachi's Tsuku would OS A perfect Jin U_U

Because that Genjutsu took place in real time, same thing would happen with Tsukuyomi which takes place in the victims mind and Bijuus minds are connected to the Jinchuurikis mind.

 

[Murasame]

The databook mentions Sasuke broke it on his own [

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]. Furthermore, Itachi had no reason to hold back with a jutsu that is not even meant to kill

It has never been shown that tsukuyomi can kill. Everytime it was used, the opponent survived. Some like Kakashi were even able to still continue to stand and talk for a while before collapsing definitely some time after

Young Sasuke(during the uchiha massacre) didn't even collapsed at all(well for a second). Now i know the excuse will come "Itachi never tried to kill his opponents". But problem is manga and databook confirms that Tsukuyomi can't kill. The working of the jutsu was clearly described

Unfortunately, narutobase blocked links coming from narutoforums, but here is what the databook says about tsukuyomi



Tsukuyomi is a jutsu that makes the prisoner's spirit collapse by showing torments of hell or some things like this. You can verify and you'll notice databook never stated tsukuyomi could kill people

Now in the manga, Zetsu(a neutral one who didn't care about the outcome of the fight), that since Sasuke ate tsukuyomi, he won't be capable to move

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Notice he didn't think Sasuke would die. He only stated that the fact he received Tsukuyomi, his body won't move anymore

Later again, all his concern was about how he didn't collapse after receiving tsukuyomi

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Yes I've seen this before hence why I also said "knock him out". I won't really get into the killing part since it doesn't really hinder my point anyways since the opponent who can't resist it would go down either way.

Yes Sasuke did indeed breal databook states it as well I dont disregard it but you have to remember that Itachi went into that fight to lose to Sasuke meaning he held back on him. How could he have known that Sasuke was able to break tsukuyomi? He didn't so he held back on him so he wouldn't put him down.

Also the example used in the uchiha massacre doesn't work.. unless you believe a kid sasuke who didn't have sharingan activated can resist better than Kakashi who had sharingan active. Itachi still had to tell him things hence why he kept him conscious.

When Itachi did intend to put someone down with it he did and did in a second as said by asuma and kurenai. All those other situations don't work against it since Itachi didn't use it with the same intent.

 

[Owarij]

Yeah no. Jinchuriki have three planes of consciousness, the two individual consciousness of the host and Bijuu and a shared plane where they communicate.

Tsukiyomi only affects the host's individual plane. Also, Itachi can only manipulate the affected's perception of time, not time itself. Even if Itachi makes the Tsukiyomi feel like one second, it's longer than that. Since the Bijuu is on a separate plane and not affected, it can break out the host in time before any damage is done.

The bijuu still operates on real time. They are not connected to the part of the brain that is affected by the genjutsu. Once one moment passes in real time, bee would have already experienced the full effects of tsukyomi,.
Itachi doesn't make tsukyomi feel like one second. He makes it feel like days.. The genjutsu itself is actually 1 second or less

 

[Owarij]

He did know Sasuke can break Tsukuyomi since he almost stated it himself back in part1 [

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] Now it all depends on how far he could see with his Sharingan. The first time he used it on Sasuke, he had no Sharingan(so no resistance whatsover). The second time he had a 2tomoes Sharingan(better than none but still not the highest normal lvl). With a 3tomoes Sharingan, i believe Itachi could have known he had better chances to break it especially since he was an Uchiha

Against Kid Sasuke, the reason he didn't collapse is simple. Itachi can control the time frame of his tsukuyomi. More the time, and greater the psychological pain. Against Sasuke he used a 24hours Tsukuyomi [

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], so obviously the psychological pain on Kakashi was greater. So on younger Sasuke(from the Uchiha massacre), it was even probably less than that

Most likely he even chosed to increase it to 72hours against Kakashi because he knew something lesser than that wouldn't have affected a Sharingan on Kakashi's lvl, like it's also possible that at that age(when he used it on young Sasuke), he wasn't that good in the tsukuyomi time control since directly after using it on young Sasuke, he deactivated his Sharingan, which shows it took a lot out of him

You do know pain can cause shock, which can cause a heart attack right? According to Itachi, the pain of Tsukyomi kakashi felt was very much real, at least to him...
His body's self defence mechanism kicked in and shut itself down to deal with pain... that's why people faint... in his case , it was so bad he went into a coma...
If Itachi did increase the torture, It was very much possible to cause Kakashi's organs to fail or worse, all before his brain decided to shut down

 

[Bogard]

The bijuu still operates on real time. They are not connected to the part of the brain that is affected by the genjutsu. Once one moment passes in real time, bee would have already experienced the full effects of tsukyomi,.
Itachi doesn't make tsukyomi feel like one second. He makes it feel like days.. The genjutsu itself is actually 1 second or less

Pretty sure it lasted more than a second here when Zetsu has time to notice things within the genjutsu [

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You do know pain can cause shock, which can cause a heart attack right? According to Itachi, the pain of Tsukyomi kakashi felt was very much real, at least to him...
His body's self defence mechanism kicked in and shut itself down to deal with pain... that's why people faint... in his case , it was so bad he went into a coma...
If Itachi did increase the torture, It was very much possible to cause Kakashi's organs to fail or worse, all before his brain decided to shut down

He never stated the pain was real as far as i remember, at least not in this scan [

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