[VS] Kakashi Hatake vs Tobirama Senju

Who wins?

  • Kakashi

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 20 51.3%

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Touken

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Well, Tobirama can't FTG if Kakashi starts with Kamui, as he has no tags. Neither can Minato.
There I was talking about an IC Kakashi vs. Tobirama. They were arguing that even if they had markings out, they still wouldn't be able to FTG out due to the recent feat of Kakashi warping off the Mazo's arm.
 

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16 people voting for Kakashi???

That's just ridiculous!

OT: Tobirama takes it mid diff. With FTG Kakashi simply won't be able to land Kamui and without that he's not all that great.
 

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^lol yes he is. His whole Taijutsu has recently been reinforced with actively pouring his Raiton chakra into it.
 

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There I was talking about an IC Kakashi vs. Tobirama. They were arguing that even if they had markings out, they still wouldn't be able to FTG out due to the recent feat of Kakashi warping off the Mazo's arm.
That wasn't even a valid representation of its speed, though.
How can Kakashi Kamui Tobirama if Tobirama opens up with a Suiton Jutsu?
Kakashi teleports the battlefield at light speed.
 

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Minato has always prep kunais in his pocket. Can't he teleport near it?

I have no clue how that works. Theoretically Minato should be able to teleport to himself, since he is in touch with his chakra, making him unhittable, yet Obito hit him.

I have no clue, but I'd say no.
 

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Kakashi had time to prep his Kamui. He started prepping it because he knew what was going to come and he knew that he has to Extracting something isn't instant and it's obvious that he had at least a 4 second time-frame because extracting the Mazo isn't instant and there was still a gap between it being fully extracted and being summoned to Madara. He hasn't got that time-frame in this battle and to use any MS technique bar Susanoo you need to build-up chakra in your eyes.

Why are you trying to invent an action going on in the panels that isn't shown or hinted at? Kakashi was never shown building up chakra with Kamui like does. is the panel where he initiated Kamui as there is zero indication that he started in the panel you claim he started at. Zero indication whatsoever.

Who ever said extracting it was instant? That part has no relevance here as Kakashi used Kamui on it AFTER it had been extracted and got it despite it being able to teleport. So no, this time frame you claim he needs was never needed in the manga.

@bold: Never said you didn't, but its practically nonexistent due to its speed. So Tobirama isn't capitalizing on it, especially with no intel.

Too late? The fact that Kakashi completely missed it's head and got it's arm instead shows he still has time to FTG out. The Mazo's massive as well and If you're saying it's as quick as it is then Kamui would have taken the Mazo out. Tobirama FTGs out of this situation and he loses no limbs, especially since the gap between the Mazo's head and arm is bigger than the gap between Tobirama's head and any of his other limbs.
The fact that Kakashi missed its head and got its arm instead only shows that Tobirama is going to lose a limb even if he manages to teleport away. The Mazo's size has no relevance to your argument as Kakashi isn't going to make a barrier the size of the Mazo to suck Tobirama in, so he's still going to lose a limb.

He started building up the chakra while the Mazo was being extracted and as I said in my last point, he was aiming for the Mazo's head and instead got it's arm even though it's a way bigger target than Tobirama.

The bold is nothing but conjecture. There is literally little to no evidence that lets you even begin to say Kamui started being prepped on that panel.

And as said above, that doesn't matter since a Mazo sized Kamui barrier isn't going to be used against Tobirama, as that is the only way this comparison would work.

He has intel on MS techniques, and considering all MS techs are one-shots, I'm pretty sure he'll be prepared.
Seeing Enton means he'll be ready for a S/T Ninjutsu technique that originates from the eye? lol, don't even try it. He has no intel on it thus he has no clue what Kakashi is going to do, since when were all MS techs one shots in his time? The only one you can possibly think of is Amaterasu, and that's if Tobirama really referred to Enton when he said Kagutsuchi, considering that means Flame Control.

As soon as the battle starts, Kakashi will prep his Kamui and Tobirama will throw his kunai at him. If Kakashi tries to land a Kamui on him, he teleports while losing no limbs because he isn't as big as a target as the Mazo.

Kamui's prep is so quick for smaller targets that its practically nonexistent, so Tobirama would die before he even gets his Kunai out and tosses it.

If he teleports, he still loses a limb since the barrier size isn't going to be the same size as it was for the Mazo, it'll be a Tobirama sized barrier.
 

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Why are you trying to invent an action going on in the panels that isn't shown or hinted at? Kakashi was never shown building up chakra with Kamui like does. is the panel where he initiated Kamui as there is zero indication that he started in the panel you claim he started at. Zero indication whatsoever.

Who ever said extracting it was instant? That part has no relevance here as Kakashi used Kamui on it AFTER it had been extracted and got it despite it being able to teleport. So no, this time frame you claim he needs was never needed in the manga.

@bold: Never said you didn't, but its practically nonexistent due to its speed. So Tobirama isn't capitalizing on it, especially with no intel.


The fact that Kakashi missed its head and got its arm instead only shows that Tobirama is going to lose a limb even if he manages to teleport away. The Mazo's size has no relevance to your argument as Kakashi isn't going to make a barrier the size of the Mazo to suck Tobirama in, so he's still going to lose a limb.



The bold is nothing but conjecture. There is literally little to no evidence that lets you even begin to say Kamui started being prepped on that panel.

And as said above, that doesn't matter since a Mazo sized Kamui barrier isn't going to be used against Tobirama, as that is the only way this comparison would work.


Seeing Enton means he'll be ready for a S/T Ninjutsu technique that originates from the eye? lol, don't even try it. He has no intel on it thus he has no clue what Kakashi is going to do, since when were all MS techs one shots in his time? The only one you can possibly think of is Amaterasu, and that's if Tobirama really referred to Enton when he said Kagutsuchi, considering that means Flame Control.



Kamui's prep is so quick for smaller targets that its practically nonexistent, so Tobirama would die before he even gets his Kunai out and tosses it.

If he teleports, he still loses a limb since the barrier size isn't going to be the same size as it was for the Mazo, it'll be a Tobirama sized barrier.

Amazing arguments KG, but the dude already admited that Kakashi bloodlusted wins. (you are a bit late :cool: )
 

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Amazing arguments KG, but the dude already admited that Kakashi bloodlusted wins. (you are a bit late :cool: )

lmao........well then. I guess I wasted my time.

Kamui got really broken though for it to be a danger to Hiraishin users.
 

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lmao........well then. I guess I wasted my time.

Kamui got really broken though for it to be a danger to Hiraishin users.

I know!! Kakashi was my fav. until kamui got like this, i mean its boring to support him on debates... Now Ay for the win.
 

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I know!! Kakashi was my fav. until kamui got like this, i mean its boring to support him on debates... Now Ay for the win.

It's not boring, it's just the fact that people don't seem to acknowledge kakashi's other skills anymore and how truly gifted and skilled he really is. That is why kamui is used so much in debates, because people seem to think that's all he has when it's not.
 
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