[VS] 9years old Kakashi vs current Sakura

[TheEvilOne]

Man real talk its annoying when people just look at age and rank dog...

Like I said I dont sugar coat! if you read the manga and compare both their skill sets such as kenjutsu,speed,taijutsu, kid kakashi is superior especially with his 2tomeo sharigan.

Its isn't about the ranks, it is just common sense and character portrayal.

 

[Prince Charles]

Its isn't about the ranks, it is just common sense and character portrayal.

Ok but I go by feats and what kishi has displayed to us readers in the manga which clearly show 9 year old kakashi as the superior one in terms of skill and speed.

 

[Owarij]

1- Kid Kakashi is faster and better in Taijutsu than Sakura

Sakura may have more strength but her skills in taijutsu is quite underwhelming. She was taking the beating by someone like Omoi despite being the one on the offensive first [

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] I don't think her skills improved that much between Pain arc and this one

Kakashi on the other hand already had a speed he compared to that of the yellow flash(not true, but still..) [

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His CQC was impressive in the fact he was already defeating taijutsu specialists like Gai [

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The destructive power of His Chidori was already impressive as well since he could run through those branches as if they were not even existing cuting through them like butter [

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2- Sensing

Unlike Sakura, Kakashi also displayed great awareness of his surrounding due to his sense of smelling, capable to localise even hiding opponents impressing his sensei [

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So even without Sharingan, the chances for Sakura to surprise kid Kakashi are close to zero

3- Handseals speed

Even as a kid, Kakashi's handseals speed are noteworthy since he was capable to engage someone stated to be as fast as Kakko [

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I mostly talked about Kid Kakashi because i feel he is underestimated here U_U

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What are you talking about? You're extrapolating the skills of Kakashi's taijutsu based off of him beating Kid Gai ? Lee was more of taijutsu specialist than Gai was.. Lee had to only train tai... and his feats in taijutsu suprised kakashi, who even grew up fighting Gai.... If I recall he was even considered a genius for his aptitude in it.. all of that and Lee's taijutsu was only 3.5 ....Assuming he was better than kid gai, which the manga did portray he is still in the same level equalling that of current Sakura (excluding gates )... It's also interesting how you somehow believe that only cqc was involved in that fight when we never got to see it at all..

What ever Kakashi's speed was, it's below 4.5, We can play the guessing game all day but in the end it doesn't matter... If kakashi is charging in , all it would take is some sleeping/smoke bombs

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And thus cause his incoming charge to be recless and unguided without the aid of sharingan..(As Minato said) ... If Kakashi manages to somehow know it is also a sleeping bomb and not just a smoke, he can hold his breath.. that's unlikely as none of those ninja , even sai the ROOT trained shinobi was unable to react in time ....As you can see, the induced sleep affected them instantly..

In the end, if all of that fails, Sakura can simply outlast the boy , his attacks, thought quick are still linear, as displayed in the manga. Simple counter would be to destroy the foothold under kakashi with a punch, leaving him in a precarious situation

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Jiraya is an exception. I'm talking about people like Tsunade or Sakura. They never use summon unless they are facing people who do. Tsunade never summoned katsuyu against Madara for example. Sakura only summoned Katsuyu because she wanted to heal people

I'm not saying Sharingan doesn't affect him. I'm saying we don't know his limit with it. The page you show happened after a day of fighting.

Pretty sure Kakashi would have killed Sakura long before this especially when it's known ninja battles never exceeds an hour, more like 10minutes at most and we're talking about 2tomoes Sharingan here, something that shouldn't be that taxing at all. Kid Kakashi was fighting Kirigakure ninjas for a long amount of time, Sharingan activated without visible drawbacks. Only when MS appeared, that he fell on the ground

Jiraya isn't an exception, that's ridiculous.. there are numerous ninjas who summoned their animals in battle... Sakura only summoned it in THAT situation because she wanted to heal people.. Tsunade has summoned Katsuyuu before to FIGHT .. so I really don't see how in the world you're arguing this right now

It was never said that it was a day of fighting... they didn't meet in the morning, it was the same day naruto had returned, it could have been morning, or evening... all we know is after a few panels it was night time... and kakashi proclaimed his weakness is he can't last long with sharingan

It doesn't matter how long.. what matters is Sakura can outlast that time, easily

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

Kakashi gets his ass kicked. Everyone who disagrees is a Sakura hater or Bogard.

this hits the nail on the head

 

[Bogard]

What are you talking about? You're extrapolating the skills of Kakashi's taijutsu based off of him beating Kid Gai ? Lee was more of taijutsu specialist than Gai was.. Lee had to only train tai... and his feats in taijutsu suprised kakashi, who even grew up fighting Gai.... If I recall he was even considered a genius for his aptitude in it.. all of that and Lee's taijutsu was only 3.5 ....Assuming he was better than kid gai, which the manga did portray he is still in the same level equalling that of current Sakura (excluding gates )... It's also interesting how you somehow believe that only cqc was involved in that fight when we never got to see it at all..

What ever Kakashi's speed was, it's below 4.5, We can play the guessing game all day but in the end it doesn't matter... If kakashi is charging in , all it would take is some sleeping/smoke bombs

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And thus cause his incoming charge to be recless and unguided without the aid of sharingan..(As Minato said) ... If Kakashi manages to somehow know it is also a sleeping bomb and not just a smoke, he can hold his breath.. that's unlikely as none of those ninja , even sai the ROOT trained shinobi was unable to react in time ....As you can see, the induced sleep affected them instantly..

In the end, if all of that fails, Sakura can simply outlast the boy , his attacks, thought quick are still linear, as displayed in the manga. Simple counter would be to destroy the foothold under kakashi with a punch, leaving him in a precarious situation

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Because Gai could use ninjutsu unlike Lee doesn't make him a less taijutsu specialist than him. That's a wrong way of thinking. Kimimaro is a taijutsu specialist who bested even Lee in this department despite being a kekkei genkei user. Gai has been portrayed as a taijutsu specialist in this manga and nothing shows part1 Lee was better than Kid Gai. Yes Kakashi was impressed by Kid Lee's prowess but he never stated he was better than Gai. All he said is that he is a genius, but a genius that can be among many others, right?

Whatever even if we ignore Gai, Kid Kakashi has other outstanding CQC feats. For example, i can also add his confrontation with Kakko(the elite jounin leader noted to possess high speed taijutsu). He was capable to keep up with him just fine [

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Kakashi even as a kid outperforms Sakura in the category who was easily bested by Omoi [

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Concerning the sleeping gas, nice point but she used that when they were distracted [

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] and not paying attention to Sakura(who hid herself away from it). I don't think such a trick would have worked in a 1vs1 configuration. For someone paying attention, it wouldn't even work [

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] Sai had time to stop her before even throwing it and if he sees it from a distance, it would even be easier to dodge

Concerning the last picture, Sakura can't do that. She doesn't possess Tsunade's natural strength(it's Tsunade's natural strength that allowed it to happen)

Her technique is different since it involves medical ninjutsu. It's with precise chakra control that she builds up chakra in her fist

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Edit: I'm going off-line soon anyway, so in case you post something, i'll probably reply back when i come back

 

[Owarij]

Because Gai could use ninjutsu unlike Lee doesn't make him a less taijutsu specialist than him. That's a wrong way of thinking. Kimimaro is a taijutsu specialist who bested even Lee in this department despite being a kekkei genkei user. Gai has been portrayed as a taijutsu specialist in this manga and nothing shows part1 Lee was better than Kid Gai. Yes Kakashi was impressed by Kid Lee's prowess but he never stated he was better than Gai. All he said is that he is a genius, but a genius that can be among many others, right?

Whatever even if we ignore Gai, Kid Kakashi has other outstanding CQC feats. For example, i can also add his confrontation with Kakko(the elite jounin leader noted to possess high speed taijutsu). He was capable to keep up with him just fine [

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Kakashi even as a kid outperforms Sakura in the category who was easily bested by Omoi [

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Concerning the sleeping gas, nice point but she used that when they were distracted [

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] and not paying attention to Sakura(who hid herself away from it). I don't think such a trick would have worked in a 1vs1 configuration. For someone paying attention, it wouldn't even work [

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] Sai had time to stop her before even throwing it and if he sees it from a distance, it would even be easier to dodge

Concerning the last picture, Sakura can't do that. She doesn't possess Tsunade's natural strength(it's Tsunade's natural strength that allowed it to happen)

Her technique is different since it involves medical ninjutsu. It's with precise chakra control that she builds up chakra in her fist

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You claim she can't do it , then link a scan of her doing it? lol what? Punch the ground, break the bedrock, that's all Sakura has to do to halt Kakashi's movements, and it is something she definitely can do , chakra enhanced or not ....It doesn't matter if they were distracted , Sai wasn't, he saw then drop , unlike the rest

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Sai couldn't do anything, couldn't react, esp considering its impossible to distinguish it from a smoke bomb untill it has exploded.. I don't expect Kid kakashi, who was seemingly unexperienced to many things to react any better, especially when the trained root couldn't ...Noone's saying he isn't going to see it , once he starts reacting to the smoke bomb

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a direct landing shunshin punch would be the game changer

And the bombs aren't solely to put him to sleep, but also to blind his eye sight and make the sharingan useless in the situation..

 

[Prince Charles]

Owarij lol what? what do you mean it doesnt matter if he wasnt distracted? also ignoring the fact imo he had no reason to believe sakura had no sleeping gas bombs considering he caught her in the act the first time. By the time sai noticed the bombs they were practically read to explode.

 

[Owarij]

Owarij lol what? what do you mean it doesnt matter if he wasnt distracted? also ignoring the fact imo he had no reason to believe sakura had no sleeping gas bombs considering he caught her in the act the first time. By the time sai noticed the bombs they were practically read to explode.

I'm talking about the rest of them.. Sai noticed when they were thown, the panel before they even touched the ground

How long do you think smoke bombs etc take to explode?

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It's almost instantly, that's the point of them, unlike exploding tags which need ample time to get away from the thrower

The dangerous aspect of that being is Sakura made a sleeping smoke bomb, and the inability to distinguish between the two

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The logical thing to do, if you are capable, is to use your other senses if you're in a cloud of smoke... Kiba utilizing his sense of smell put naruto in that exact situation.... You made a point about Kakashi's sense of smell being great, and we know later on in his life it is comparable to an Inuzuka , however him using his senses in this case would result in his death

 

[Prince Charles]

I'm talking about the rest of them.. Sai noticed when they were thown, the panel before they even touched the ground

How long do you think smoke bombs etc take to explode?

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It's almost instantly, that's the point of them, unlike exploding tags which need ample time to get away from the thrower

There is no indication that sai saw them being thrown, the facial expression he shows before the panel with the sleeping bomb gas on the ground indicates he was surprised when he noticed them by his feet.

 

[Owarij]

There is no indication that sai saw them being thrown, the facial expression he shows before the panel with the sleeping bomb gas on the ground indicates he was surprised when he noticed them by his feet.

They are still mid air in that panel, they haven't landed yet..and they aren't just laying at his feet. He saw BEFORE that... meaning he had vision of the bombs while they were in the air making their way to the ground , the point being he still couldn't react to it..

 

[Prince Charles]

They are still mid air in that panel, they haven't landed yet..and they aren't just laying at his feet. He saw BEFORE that... meaning he had vision of the bombs while they were in the air making their way to the ground , the point being he still couldn't react to it..

You see sakura right next to Lee in this panel[

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Logical scenario speaks that Sai saw the bombs simply rolling towards him and the ground which gave him that surprised reaction which also explains how sakura managed to escape the gas in time but sai could not.

 

[Optimistic]

give sakura tsunade's regeneration feats then she wins. Kakashi with his 2T makes his chidori complete, he won't fall for any of Sakura's tricks(such as punching the ground) his eyes will see the chakra build in her fist and react accordingly.Katsuyu is a non factor.

 

[Turson]

The hell? Kakashi is destroyed, there is nothing to discuss about.

 

[Prince Charles]

The hell? Kakashi is destroyed, there is nothing to discuss about.

This guy >.>

kid kakashi is no ordinary kid...

 

[illidanson]

Sakura stomps.

Anyone who thinks otherwise must be drunk.

 

[TheEvilOne]

This guy >.>

kid kakashi is no ordinary kid...

And Sakura is no ordinary fodder.

 

[Turson]

This guy >.>

kid kakashi is no ordinary kid...

He was no ordinary kid, but in this case he would be owned, that is not even a question.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ok I guess I cannot convince you guys, I simply go by feats he displayed as a minor which clearly show he is superior especially when you add in his 2tomeo sharigan, your entitled to your opinion so I'm done here.

 

[Turson]

Ok I guess I cannot convince you guys, I simply go by feats he displayed as a minor which clearly show he is superior especially when you add in his 2tomeo sharigan, your entitled to your opinion so I'm done here.

Im aware of his feats, I know this manga pretty well. But comparing him to current Sakura is ridiculous.

 

[Prince Charles]

Im aware of his feats, I know this manga pretty well. But comparing him to current Sakura is ridiculous.

It isnt when you go by their overall skill set displayed in the manga.