【Debate: Nagashi (Sasori) vs. Nattana (Orochimaru)】

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Sasori vs. Orochimaru

(UN vs. Nattana)



Set-Up


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Location: Tenchi Bridge
State of Mind: Murder intent
Distance: 30m
Knowledge: All
Restrictions: Edo Tensei no Jutsu


Judges: [CLOSED]
  • Madara Rules
  • Caterpillar
  • -Sach-
  • Pwner10144
  • Kaaant]



Debaters have 3 days to argue their points, and 3 posts maximum at a time. Scans are put in spoilers, always.
The debate ends at [my timezone GMT +2] 23.01.2014, while judging ends 2 days after. The judging deadline can be moved if necessary.



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Conditions: Orochimaru starts healthy with a Zetsu body, while Sasori has full arsenal, body modifications and starts in Hiruko.
 
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Nagashi can win this quite easily.

 

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I could judge if needed. I don't really like Oro nor Sasori. Although good luck to both debaters.
 

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Wrong Section U_U

OT: Manda soloes U_U
 

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Kay, just as I said earlier, I leave the opening post to you, UN :)
 

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I can judge if needed; i am not biased overall and i like both characters.
 

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Sasori would win, but this isn't my debate so good luck to both.
 

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Good luck to you both. Never seen Nattana in an official debate before.
 

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Would like to judge if needed, anyways best of luck, guys.:)
 

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From the start of the match, Sasori will unravel his most deadly secret against Orochimaru, which would lead ultimately to Orochimaru's utter defeat →

Although Orochimaru has now absorbed and taken over a Zetsu body, which has shown inhuman/organic properties, such as , he can still be affected by it. Sasuke once trapped a , even though he had The requirement for Genjutsu is , which is odd when a brain cannot function without blood.


An organism is made up of many billions of cells. The brain also contains cells. Cells need nutrients and oxygen to survive which is supplied by the blood.

Also, there is a certain drawback to Orochimaru due to lack of blood, which is → Kuchiyose no Jutsu. Without blood, Orochimaru fails to perform the certain ritual which necessarily needs blood. Without Manda, he is technically powerless.

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This would force him in close combat, which is technically a suicide. Sasori was very adept in poison formally developing a poison in which killed his victim in three days, with paralysis as a side effect, . Due to Sasori starting in Hiruko this gives him an even more advantage as every technique he possesses while using Hiruko is poison covered

All weapons installed in Hiruko were coated in Sasori's special brand of poison, which would kill the victim after three days of painful paralysis.

  • Extendible iron tail provided offense by stabbing and defense by rotating around the body.
  • Heavy back shell for additional defense.
  • Rapid launching of senbon from the mouth.
  • Torpedo-shaped left arm that launches shrapnel of senbon in all directions.




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Sorry about the hiatus lads. I know I said I was going to make the thread. I was banned.

If I a judge is needed I'm willing to fill the spot.
 

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Sorry about the hiatus lads. I know I said I was going to make the thread. I was banned.

If I a judge is needed I'm willing to fill the spot.

How... how? :| Just moments after you VM'ed me. God man.

Yeah, but if there isn't fifth, you can't. We need an odd number of judges so that there wouldn't be controversy of the victor, and there is currently three if I am precise.
 

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How... how? :| Just moments after you VM'ed me. God man.

Yeah, but if there isn't fifth, you can't. We need an odd number of judges so that there wouldn't be controversy of the victor, and there is currently three if I am precise.

I'm fine with both: 3 or 5 judges. If you guys can find one more, it's ok.

And anyways, nice read UN. I'll try to post my counter later today.
 

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From the start of the match, Sasori will unravel his most deadly secret against Orochimaru, which would lead ultimately to Orochimaru's utter defeat →

Although Orochimaru has now absorbed and taken over a Zetsu body, which has shown inhuman/organic properties, such as , he can still be affected by it. Sasuke once trapped a , even though he had The requirement for Genjutsu is , which is odd when a brain cannot function without blood.



Also, there is a certain drawback to Orochimaru due to lack of blood, which is → Kuchiyose no Jutsu. Without blood, Orochimaru fails to perform the certain ritual which necessarily needs blood. Without Manda, he is technically powerless.

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This would force him in close combat, which is technically a suicide. Sasori was very adept in poison formally developing a poison in which killed his victim in three days, with paralysis as a side effect, . Due to Sasori starting in Hiruko this gives him an even more advantage as every technique he possesses while using Hiruko is poison covered






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1. Countering the argument regarding poison.

Sadly, the main argument your opening was based on, is actually useless. You tried to prove that Sasori's poison would work on Orochimaru, but actually it's not true.

You were right about Zetsu having inhuman features. Also, you were right about Zetsu being vulnerable to Genjutsu. The problem here is that Zetsu themselves stated that they - something that is needed for one to get caught in a Genjutsu. I'm not going to get into details, since we don't know how Zetsu body works in the first place (anyway, it's obvious that they must have some decisive organ or something like that, BUT we DO know, that Zetsu don't possess organs, veins or a bloodstream , , .
Now take a look at . Look closely - Sasori clearly speaks about how poison is making its rounds in Kankuro's bloodstream. Orochimaru doesn't have it - poison cannot spread thoughout his body.

If it wasn't enough, Orochimaru was also well-known for modifications done to his bodies, including . Note that Shizune wasn't someone who Orochimaru was spying on to know her poisons, yet he was said to have immunity to them. Now considering that Orochimaru and Sasori were Akatsuki partners, he would be more familliar with his abilities than with abilities of Tsunade's apprentice.

Moreover, you yourself admitted, that Orochimaru doesn't breathe - making gas poison even more useless here. But what about poisoned senbon? Look at this scans - , . Orochimaru's fake skin layer was strong enough to prevent Kyuubi Naruto's claw strike from harming even a little his main body. I doubt the senbon are getting even past this layer of defense.

2. Countering the 'no blood' argument.

It is true that now, due to possessing a Zetsu body, Orochimaru's human shell does not possess blood. But it seems that you aren't aware of Orochimaru's other ways of getting blood required for summonning techniques. I think you won't disagree with the fact, that Oro's True Form and 8branches still possess blood, due to not having any connection with a human shell , .
During , or , Orochimaru was using the snakes, that are in fact his true body - a body that possesses his blood. Thereby, nothing stops Orochimaru from releasing a single snake to get the blood needed to summon any of his Giant Snakes.

Anyway, summonnings wouldn't be needed as long as Sasori stays in his Hiruko, so I probably use them as an argument later in the debate, when you get more serious ;>

3. Making Sasori move out of his Hiruko puppet.

Facing Hiruko wouldn't be lethal - in fact, Sasori should be smart enough not to fight Orochimaru in that form, since it would only be a disadvantage for him. Hiruko's fighting style is a stationary one and with Sasori being hidden (but it also means somehow trapped) inside of it would only leave Sasori's core vulnerable to getting pierced by (but probably used on a lesser scale, due to the location), or by using a sneak attack that would consist of a random snake, scattered somewhere around the battlefield into a Kusanagi and using to backstab Sasori.

As for Hiruko's offense, it has nothing that could even cause any harm to Orochimaru, considering that the senbon aren't meant to kill with piercing damage but with poison, which is useless here. Actually, if it was a normal human and if all the senbon hit precisely, it might've dealt some serious damage, but considering that Orochimaru was shown to laught at getting his hand cut off, getting stabbed by Totsuka and many more, some shallow wounds aren't a threat, especially that the are getting repeled with , something that managed to root out trees.

Also, you mentioned the Hiruko's tail. While I agree that it is very versatile, not only would it not even catch Orochimaru to begin with (due to his great speed even in base, not to mention other enhancements, but I will get back to that issue in another post, since against Hiruko it isn't even needed). But even if it did catch Oro, would happen. Soft Physique makes squeezing and gripping useless, not to mention that Sasori bringing Orochimaru close to his real body would be the stupidest thing he could ever do.

To sum up this post, the longer Sasori stays in Hiruko, the worse it gets for him. You definitely need to move forward now.
 
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