Hiruzen vs Tayuya?

[TheTailedSage]

Putting kage level shinobi up to children is pretty sad. Even though i'm not a hiruzen fan. I guess feats are to blame for this. In the real(anime) situation of this, never in a million years. Not even Hiruzens manga feats suggest she could win, infact I think they suggest the complete opposite.

That is a beat down in Hiruzens favor. Low-mid diff. But im pretty adamant about low diff.

Spirit doki and Senjutsu infused sound gen says Yo

 

[Prince Charles]

Both would signify he was feeling pain at the time and so would he would break out of the genjutsu.

Um..

I had a couple of nose bleeds when I was a kid, never really felt pain..

As for the coughing up part as the tailedsage said this is a curse mark enhance jutsu,I highly doubt it would be that easily to break, and as the tailedsage noted again when you take into factor of tayuya's personality and being hasty she wouldnt would had been like ''whatever'' when she saw the blood.

 

[Touken]

Um..

I had a couple of nose bleeds when I was a kid, never really felt pain..

As for the coughing up part as the tailedsage said this is a curse mark enhance jutsu,I highly doubt it would be that easily to break, and as the tailedsage noted again when you take into factor of tayuya's personality and being hasty she wouldnt would had been like ''whatever'' when she saw the blood.

But this wouldn't be a random nose bleed, would it? It'd be the result of him fighting Tayuya. He's in pain if he's coughing up blood or if his nose is bleeding.

Especially if he's coughing up blood. It'd mean he's suffered from internal damage. Or he's got lung cancer.

 

[TheTailedSage]

But this wouldn't be a random nose bleed, would it? It'd be the result of him fighting Tayuya. He's in pain if he's coughing up blood or if his nose is bleeding.

Especially if he's coughing up blood. It'd mean he's suffered from internal damage. Or he's got lung cancer.

Dafuq LOOL

 

[Touken]

Dafuq LOOL

It's obvious; Kishi made him take on off-panel smoking, probably something he got into because of Asuma. Only thing is, Shikamaru can't hack it.

This is why he's lazy, because he realizes his time is short.

 

[TheTailedSage]

It's obvious; Kishi made him take on off-panel smoking, probably something he got into because of Asuma. Only thing is, Shikamaru can't hack it.

This is why he's lazy, because he realizes his time is short.

So shikamaru at the age of 13 (i think) was smoking. Seems legit. His mum would kill him before that happens

 

[Headmaster]

only retards believe hirzuen lose to a fodder like this

 

[TheTailedSage]

only retards believe hirzuen lose to a fodder like this

Come up with a logical way hiruzen can possibly win, your looking at rank

 

[EliteKakashi]

At Bold, scan please?

Chapter 185 to 186 if you want to read the whole "fight".

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This also was after Genma and Raido were already exhausted from a mission:

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Discussions like this are quite honestly stupid. Tayuya in no way would even come close to touching Hiruzen. Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato have never shown a way they could break out of the sound genjutsu, but is anyone gonna sit here and say Tayuya can beat them? No, because that's ****in stupid.

Tayuya can't handle fodder special jounin when she's got 3 of her teammates with her without being pushed to the brink. She's effortlessly destroyed by every kage and every notable jounin ever shown in the series.

 

[Prince Charles]

Chapter 185 to 186 if you want to read the whole "fight".

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ended up:

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This also was after Genma and Raido were already exhausted from a mission:

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Discussions like this are quite honestly stupid. Tayuya in no way would even come close to touching Hiruzen. Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato have never shown a way they could break out of the sound genjutsu, but is anyone gonna sit here and say Tayuya can beat them? No, because that's ****in stupid.

Tayuya can't handle fodder special jounin when she's got 3 of her teammates with her without being pushed to the brink. She's effortlessly destroyed by every kage and every notable jounin ever shown in the series.

That doesnt prove they had trouble with genma and the other person he was with..

And I don't see how this discussion is stupid considering hiruzn doesnt have any attack right off the bat to finish tayuya giving her enough time to use her flute, I agree hiruzen is more powerful than her but ranks dont always mean much you need to look at their overall abilities.

 

[EliteKakashi]

That doesnt prove they had trouble with genma and the other person he was with..

And I don't see how this discussion is stupid considering hiruzn doesnt have any attack right off the bat to finish tayuya giving her enough time to use her flute, I agree hiruzen is more powerful than her but ranks dont always mean much you need to look at their overall abilities.

They resorted straight to using the cursed seal and Kido even says they can't risk facing them without it. Kido is the wise one of the group, he knows where his and his teammates abilities stand. If he felt they could have won the fight without resorting to cursed seal, they would have.

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That would be all Hiruzen needs. Tayuya has no suiton or doton to block the attack, has shown no speed feats to dodge the attack, and the summoning of her doki monsters/the manipulating of them takes too long. It's over.

You're better than discussing something this idiotic, Prince. The only reason this is a topic is "omg he's not shown a counter for the sound genjutsu" and the only reason for that is because he's not been shown on panel combating a sound genjutsu. But we're just gonna sit here and assume since it's not shown on panel, the longest reigning Hokage ever, the guy nicknamed the professor for his ridiculous jutsu knowledge can't counter a fodder's genjutsu?

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[Prince Charles]

They resorted straight to using the cursed seal and Kido even says they can't risk facing them without it. Kido is the wise one of the group, he knows where his and his teammates abilities stand. If he felt they could have won the fight without resorting to cursed seal, they would have.

Really @ Bold? I read the scan and kido does not anything of the sort. Not too mention theirs no proof that the each of the sound 4 used their most powerful jutsu/attack is their? Not too mention they were in a rush and didn't want to waste time. The sound 4 didn't even suffer any injuries nor casualties.

That would be all Hiruzen needs. Tayuya has no suiton or doton to block the attack, has shown no speed feats to dodge the attack, and the summoning of her doki monsters/the manipulating of them takes too long. It's over.

Lol so tayuya is just going to stand their while a flaming dragon is coming her way? List as I said hiruzen is overall stronger than her by miles away but compare both their fighting style and abilities tayuya can take this whether you like it or not.

And as for her speed feat's she did display one against naruto

You see kimimaro in front of naruto and shikamaru and tayuya all the way behind shikamaru and naruto and if you add in the distance long with kimimaro as well[

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Naruto attempts to attack kimimaro but tayuya is already in front of him [

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Sorry but I don't see that katon from hiruzen finishing her considering her curse mark also makes her faster as well. I don't see how hiruzen can counter her sound genjutsu unless you can provide some evidence, his feats and fighting style as of now make it easier for tayuya, he has no knowledge on her flute monsters if he attempts to block them with enma in his staff form the soul flute monsters will just suck the stamina out of enma and hiruzen as they sound monsters in their ghost form have shown to phase through solid objects.

Im just looking at the big picture here, if tayuya manages to use her flute genjutsu then that will put hiruzen in a tough spot. And I agree his hype saids he can probably deal with it but that just hype.

 

[Draegod]

Hiruzen Rapes No diff.

 

[miromiro]

Hiruzen takes this.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Hiruzen low diffs

 

[Bantos]

Hiruzen stomps this.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Hiruzen takes this low diff, as soon as he bites his lip him and Enma stomp Tayuya.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Hiruzen takes this low diff, as soon as he bites his lip him and Enma stomp Tayuya.

So with that logic Frog duet is fodder and can also be broken with this method

 

[Icelerate]

lol, Hiruzen shits on her. The same Tayuya who needed help to defeat Genma and Raido isn't taking out Hiruzen.

Hiruzen stomps. Period. Saying Tayuya beats him when she had trouble against two fodder Jonin leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I agree with everything you said and part 1 Hiruzen does indeed take this low-mid difficulty even with his relatively pathetic feats. However, that analogy you are using is a classic form of A>B>C logic. By that same logic, Hidan beats Kidomaru low difficulty (

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[EliteKakashi]

Really @ Bold? I read the scan and kido does not anything of the sort. Not too mention theirs no proof that the each of the sound 4 used their most powerful jutsu/attack is their? Not too mention they were in a rush and didn't want to waste time. The sound 4 didn't even suffer any injuries nor casualties.

He quite clearly says that they couldn't risk fighting them without the cursed seal. How are you not seeing that? And no, there's no proof. There's also no proof that they didn't.

Lol so tayuya is just going to stand their while a flaming dragon is coming her way? List as I said hiruzen is overall stronger than her by miles away but compare both their fighting style and abilities tayuya can take this whether you like it or not.

And as for her speed feat's she did display one against naruto

You see kimimaro in front of naruto and shikamaru and tayuya all the way behind shikamaru and naruto and if you add in the distance long with kimimaro as well[

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Naruto attempts to attack kimimaro but tayuya is already in front of him [

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Sorry but I don't see that katon from hiruzen finishing her considering her curse mark also makes her faster as well. I don't see how hiruzen can counter her sound genjutsu unless you can provide some evidence, his feats and fighting style as of now make it easier for tayuya, he has no knowledge on her flute monsters if he attempts to block them with enma in his staff form the soul flute monsters will just suck the stamina out of enma and hiruzen as they sound monsters in their ghost form have shown to phase through solid objects.

Im just looking at the big picture here, if tayuya manages to use her flute genjutsu then that will put hiruzen in a tough spot. And I agree his hype saids he can probably deal with it but that just hype.

There is a page inbetween those two scans, and all Tayuya does is get in front of Kimi before base Naruto makes it his branch to Kimi. You're not really trying to impress me with that scan, are you?

And I'm gonna use the same stupid logic that this debate is based on. Tayuya has never been shown dodging the flame dragon or surviving the flame dragon, so obviously it's going to kill her.

See how that works?

Hype doesn't just say he can deal with it. Kishi actually expects his fans to use some common sense. A member of the sound 4, someone who has trouble fighting chuunin level ninja, is supposed to take on a kage with any success? Jesus.

I get it. Vs section is supposed to be for hypothetical and trying to think outside the box, but this? This is ****ing ridiculous. Kido was weary of encountering Kakashi in part 1 when they went to capture Sasuke and that was with all 4 of them.

Something like Hashirama vs Kisame is an acceptable "hypothetical". It's obvious Hashirama is on a different level, but at least Kisame isn't a completely useless fodder and actually has abilities that could give Hashirama trouble.

This thread wouldn't be made with Hashirama, Tobirama or Minato even though they have no shown counters for Tayuya's sound. This is only a thread because people like to make fun of Hiruzen for his lack of feats. So let's just stop this bullshit before it gets any more ridiculous than it already is.