Tobirama vs Itachi

[Boston Rob]

Clones, speed, sensing.

I said Itachis level genjutsu............
Kakashi, Orochimaru, Deidara, Kabuto has it ^^

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I said Itachis level genjutsu............
Kakashi, Orochimaru, Deidara, Kabuto has it ^^

Tobirama has all of those. He isn't getting caught.

 

[Boston Rob]

Tobirama has all of those. He isn't getting caught.

And these above doesnt have? By the way thats you counter?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

And these above doesnt have? By the way thats you counter?

I already listed it.

Tobirama can bunshin feint, FTG away or simply close his eyes.

He can sense when Itachi builds chakra in his eye.

 

[Airbear]

Tobirama is a better match up for itachi than minato imo

Closing his eyes and still being able to sense is so much better than some of minatos laughable counters to itachi's arsenal.

 

[Penguin]

It goes either way, and they are equals. But here are some feats for Tobirama. I will pretend he gets Edo tensei.

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Tobirama directly states that Minato has a better shunshin that he does, so that implies that the kage shunshin'd the whole way to the battlefield since they are edos and don't run out of stamina. Tobirama was also shown to be standing, whereas Hashirama was just getting up, and Hiruzen was still on the ground as seen

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. Now, since speed feats are valid in the A>B>C ways of logic, you can give Tobirama speed feats of Hashirama and Madara, since Hashirama is shown to be as fast as Madara.

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you can see a blinded base Madara blitzing SM Naruto, who has great reactions. He also blitz'd that fodder Sai in the same motion. Hashirama would have reacted to attack, but Madara's chakra rods really ****ed Hashirama up.

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is Hashirama jumping off falling rocks which is a good feat, whilst outrunning a perfect Susano'o armored Kyuubi.

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is Hashirama keeping pace with a TBB that the Kyuubi spat out. That should be enough to show you he out speeds Itachi, who has incredible speed.

His

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was enough to smash a hole in a wall. With the Senju being famous for their adeptness in genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu, whilst having that powerful of a chakra and possibly the greatest sensory feats so far, it should be clear any genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi will be ineffective on Tobirama.

Tobirama also stalemates Itachi in CQC in the worst case scenario.

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that Tobirama has used kenjutsu against the Uchiha since he was a little kid and it was his fighting style against them over and over. He

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the young Izuna Uchiha, but

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Tobirama prevailed. This shows that he can fight on par with at least MS users in CQC with kenjutsu.

We all know his water element cancels any water or fire Itachi sends his way. Not only that, but the feats Tobirama has shown in part one as a half assed edo should be powered up accordingly since he has more chakra to use in the jutsu. Look at Hashirama's mokuton and compare it to part one.

Now given that Itachi doesn't start off fights with MS active, Tobirama would have time to use Kage Bunshin before Itachi tried using his one shot KO moves. This is a theory, but I think Tobirama invented Kage Bunshin to throw off the Uchiha, since the chakra is evenly distributed and the Uchiha can only see chakra. This makes it very hard to one shot someone who is similar in every way to his Kage Bunshin. Tobirama will be able to sense the build up of chakra in the Uchiha's eyes considering he was the only one

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. If he can sense such a small chakra like the 3T, he can surely sense Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi's build up. Let it be mentioned that he has also seen

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in his life. It was most likely Izuna who used it.

Regarding Susano'o, Tobirama will need to summon at least one edo tensei fodder. After he has done that, he has a good chance of stalling for victory. The edo tensei fodder will bombard Itachi with

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. Do you see those mini Juubi that Gojō Kibaku Fuda has dwarfed? Those are bijuu sized Juubi clones. They were as big as Aoda, Katsuya, or Gamakichi. To prevent himself from dying, which is debatable on whether Itachi can tank this in Susano'o, he would need the full Susano'o and Yata mirror. As he is tanking the explosion, Tobirama can create Kage Bunshin and mark them with the Hiraishin seal and have them split up, marking everything they can with a Hiraishin mark. This means Tobirama would have more than one place to FTG to in case of a Totsuka blitz from Itachi.

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I think they are evenly matched.

My idea on the match. Bogard, Madara was an edo and had no intention to dodge since it wouldn't be lethal. And Tobirama got blitz'd because no one knew Juubito's speed. I could say Tobirama never got hurt my Rikudobito and Minato has, but you know.

 

[Boston Rob]

I already listed it.

Tobirama can bunshin feint, FTG away or simply close his eyes.

He can sense when Itachi builds chakra in his eye.

Wow since when he can fight with closed eyes Lol
Itachi has brain hes not Naruto or Gai. Tobirama will be genjutsu'ed.

 

[Optimistic]

Itachi has sensing feats that rival Sm users, Tobirama cannot win.

 

[EZQ]

I see this going either way... If itachi goes v3 susano (Yata and Totsukua) he dies after 5 minutes of using it, and if he doesn't use it he probably dies to the Edo-infinite explosives of Tobirama.

I'm leaning a bit more towards Tobirama here.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Wow since when he can fight with closed eyes Lol
Itachi has brain hes not Naruto or Gai. Tobirama will be genjutsu'ed.

He's a sensor, so he could actually do it, but he doesn't need to.

When Itachi charges up his genjutsu, Tobirama avoids it, since he can sense it.

Itachi has sensing feats

You smoking crack?

 

[AGoodBoy]

He's a sensor, so he could actually do it, but he doesn't need to.

When Itachi charges up his genjutsu, Tobirama avoids it, since he can sense it.



You smoking crack?

Lmfao. Listen to this nonsense.

 

[EZQ]

I changed my mind to Itachi... But definitely he doesn't win with genjutsu