[VS] Kakashi Hatake vs Tobirama Senju

[Gold Lightning]

Starting distance: 25 m
Conditions: Fight to the death, intent to kill
Restrictions: Edo Tensei/Reanimation Jutsu
Location: KCM Naruto vs Ay
Intel: Kakashi knows the workings of FTG from being student of Minato. Tobirama knows about sharingan from fighting Uchihas but doesn't know about kamui​

Spoiler

Bonus Scenario:
FTG and Kamui restricted

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Tobirama has this.

Especially now that he has an improvised V2 FTG.

 

[Zavage10]

Tobi****inrama

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

How about intel?

Like on the other thread; I can see Tobirama winning and possibly losing. I think Tobirama's Kage Bushin and Hirashin are too much for Kakashi. Whilst Raikiri and Raikiri Kage Bushin are amongst Kakashi's best defensive techniques; I don't see him outlasting Tobirama's stamina.

 

[EZQ]

FTG is a valid counter to Kamui .. Tobirama wins

Bonus scenario: Tobirama takes this too, his base speed >= Kakashi's , and he still has the edo explosives.

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi mid-high diff.

As former student of Minato and seen the FTG, he knows the mechanics of FTG, meaning he is aware of the marks. So he will keep his distance away. In the end of the day, Kakashi has:

Superior Suiton + advanced and superior shadow clones + superior teleportation(Kamui) + Chakra and stamina with his Sharingan bonus.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Kakashi mid-high diff.

As former student of Minato and seen the FTG, he knows the mechanics of FTG, meaning he is aware of the marks. So he will keep his distance away. In the end of the day, Kakashi has:

Superior Suiton + advanced and superior shadow clones + superior teleportation(Kamui) + Chakra and stamina with his Sharingan bonus.

Kev, this is what you call sig worthy.

So retarded I can't tell if serious.

 

[Bronze]

Kev, this is what you call sig worthy.

So retarded I can't tell if serious.

You mad cuz i have different opinion¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kakashi gets blitzed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi takes this. Tobirana knows nothing about kamui and if he makes the barrier big enough tobirama's 1 improvised kunai won't save him. Especially considering the range difference between tobirama's ftg and minatos

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You mad cuz i have different opinion¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You literally just tried to postulate that Kakashi has better chakra and stamina than Tobirama. Plus Kamui is a non factor in this fight.

Minato didn't have intel; and he knew the way to go was to Hirashin out of there.

 

[Black Wolf]

FTG outsped 14 year old Obito's Kamui who was being ocularly burdened by the task of keeping the Kyuubi in check, not to mention lack of knowledge on Obito's part. Kakashi's Kamui outsped 30 year old Obito's Kamui who had no burden of keeping a tailed beast under control and also had full knowledge on Kakashi's techniques and even his attempted tactic. Furthermore, Kakashi interrupted a summoning technique with his Kamui, which Hiraishin is akin to .

Overall, FTG is a potential counter to Kamui, but saying it is to surely succeed is like me saying Kakashi is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke because he beat them in Part I while reading a book.

As for the rest of their arsenal, Kakashi's is better. He has shown more impressive Suitons, has a vast array of Raitons, and if Tobirama's running speed happens to be a bit faster than his own, the Sharingan will help. Coupled with unrivaled tactical feats, and Kakashi's non-space-time jutsu arsenal is far more impressive. Not that it matters since the result will probably depend on which S/T jutsu prevails, and I'm leaning towards Tobirama purely due to chakra quantities.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You literally just tried to postulate that Kakashi has better chakra and stamina than Tobirama. Plus Kamui is a non factor in this fight.

Minato didn't have intel; and he knew the way to go was to Hirashin out of there.

A)He jumped to a different location(something tobirama can't do unless he throws his only marked kunai before hand)
B) kakashi's kamui proved to be faster than that of obito's

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

FTG outsped 14 year old Obito's Kamui who was being ocularly burdened by the task of keeping the Kyuubi in check, not to mention lack of knowledge on Obito's part. Kakashi's Kamui outsped 30 year old Obito's Kamui who had no burden of keeping a tailed beast under control and also had full knowledge on Kakashi's techniques and even his attempted tactic. Furthermore, Kakashi interrupted a summoning technique with his Kamui, which Hiraishin is akin to .

Overall, FTG is a potential counter to Kamui, but saying it is to surely succeed is like me saying Kakashi is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke because he beat them in Part I while reading a book.

As for the rest of their arsenal, Kakashi's is better. He has shown more impressive Suitons, has a vast array of Raitons, and if Tobirama's running speed happens to be a bit faster than his own, the Sharingan will help. Coupled with unrivaled tactical feats, and Kakashi's non-space-time jutsu arsenal is far more impressive. Not that it matters since the result will probably depend on which S/T jutsu prevails, and I'm leaning towards Tobirama purely due to chakra quantities.

"ocularly burdened"

^ there is no proof of this whatsoever. Nor is there any proof that Kamui's speed increases over time. Scan of Kakashi's Kamui "out speeding" Obito's please.

By feats Hirashin is faster than the summoning Jutsu; all you've done is pointed that out. If it couldn't even hit a target as big as the Mazou mid-teleport - which everyone could see; then it has no chance at all of hitting Hirashin users. Your analogy is flawed.

More Impressive Suiton? In part one he required 44 handseals to do a Jutsu Tobirama could do with one. Tobirama also has Suiryuudan just like Kakashi. The only thing that is worthy of note is the Jutsu that he copied off Zabuza in part one. Even then a Suiryuudan can stave that off.

The Raiton variants are the main threat. But even then Kakashi has no chance of coping against Tobirama's superior reserves.

A)He jumped to a different location(something tobirama can't do unless he throws his only marked kunai before hand)
B) kakashi's kamui proved to be faster than that of obito's

A different location is anywhere aside from where he is standing. He could literally mark the ground and move two metres in any direction.

Scan?

 

[Tendou00]

Kakashi stomps...

 

[miromiro]

Kamui wins it for Kakashi first scenario, yet Tobirama takes the second scenario.

 

[Black Wolf]

"ocularly burdened"

^ there is no proof of this whatsoever. Nor is there any proof that Kamui's speed increases overtime.

Kakashi notes that controlling the Bijuu with his eyes

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- keep in mind that he was referring to lesser beasts, not the Kyuubi, the strongest of them all. Obito agrees with Kakashi's implication.

Minato also hints this when he says "

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," implying there is some form of strain keeping it under his control. Minato states this again

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Scan of Kakashi's Kamui "out speeding" Obito's.

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By feats Hirashin is faster than the summoning Jutsu; all you've done is pointed that out. If it couldn't even hit a target as big as the Mazou mid-teleport - which everyone could see; then it has no chance at all of hitting Hirashin users. Your analogy is flawed.

Not really sure what you're saying here at all. Hiraishin summons the user to the knife / tagged object, whilst summoning summons the animal to the desired location of the user; the two are akin, barring the fact that FTG is "reverse summoning."

The larger the target, the more difficult it is to teleport - Kakashi has stated this multiple times. If he could tear off a building sized arm, humans will not be difficult at all in comparison.

More Impressive Suiton? In part one he required 44 handseals to do a Jutsu Tobirama could do with one. Tobirama also has Suiryuudan just like Kakashi. The only thing that is worthy of note is the Jutsu that he copied off Zabuza in part one. Even then a Suiryuudan can stave that off.

Kakashi's water dragon also absolutely dwarfed Tobirama's; there is no evidence that Kakashi would need that many handseals to perform one as small as Tobirama's (see Kabuto's). He has also used a large Suiton wall without a source and seemingly with minimal handseals considering it managed to intercept Kakuzu's fire/wind combo mid-air.

Kakashi's hand seals have improved; he used to have to weave them for Raikiri, yet in Part II we see him making double Raikiri, and Raikiri when one hand is preoccupied (ala vs. Pain), making it impossible to weave handseals.

 

[Red Slayer]

Tobirama wins low diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

A different location is anywhere aside from where he is standing. He could literally mark the ground and move two metres in any direction.

Scan?

That won't with kakashi unlike obito who needs direct contact kakashi only needs to look at his opponent and a barrier is formed around them. The size of his barrier accommodates for range in which he can jump to. Moving "two meters" as you so kindly put it won't help you since kakashi jumped the entirety of the juubi's arm (bigger than two meters by far) in an instant.

According and proved by konan it takes longer for him to absorb opponents than it does for him to make himself intangible. So him absorbing/ejecting things is the slowest of the 3 things kamui can do.
Kakashi on the other hand interrupted summoning jutsu which is likened to ftg and by feats has the fastest of the three abilities.

 

[Bronze]

You literally just tried to postulate that Kakashi has better chakra and stamina than Tobirama. Plus Kamui is a non factor in this fight.

Minato didn't have intel; and he knew the way to go was to Hirashin out of there.

When Tobirama shows feats of having better Chakra and stamina than Kakashi, then you can have a wank.

Minato /=/ Tobirama.

Kakashi ones shots.