the mystery of the insides who zetsu was talking aboutis revealed !!

[minamoto]

first hello to everyone....

-now i'l go straight to the point!!!!!!!!!!...the insides are the spiral zetsu and the 2nd immortal Madara sealed INSIDE obito ....in other words obito was being controlled the whole time..by the 2nd madara or tobidara or simply by Madara uchiha..what does that means?..that means madara didn't die = Madara is immortal = Madara was dead and alive at the same time...i know i know..you think its bullshit...but let me explain it to you plz?...do you think that Madara is dumb stupid to just save a 13 year kid called obito and entrust him all the sacrifices he did for the sake of his Moon eye plan?...lets say Kabuto never resurected Madara..then what was madara going to do while he is dead??...this means that madara must have accounted for the possibility of obito's betrayal right??...now read well the chapter 602..Madara and zetsus
were tlking about "preparations done by Madara"...this means that Madara healed obito and even strenghtned his body on purpose...now focus on Madara plzz..he was old and very weakned..he just wanted to get out of that cave and implement his MEP..so when obito fell in madara's cave..Madara's golden opportunity to get out of that cavehas finnaly arrived ITS OBITO UCHIHA...

-now plz focus on this...why is the act of dying and being revived so much important for madara??..if madara knew that he would be brought in the same state he died in (old and weakned ) he wouldve never planned his death..right??..so..the reason why madara wanted to be rinnetenseid is so that HIS BODY TAKES THE FORM OF ITS GOLDEN AGE (youth) !!!!...but he didnt' completly die...madara did some awefull rikudo jutsu and sealed his other part within obito's body and controlled him..Madara also added part of his humain flesh and stuck it to obito's body..and like that madara become and immortal empty shell of his formerself....its the immortal TOBIMADARA...the reall and finall villain...now madara in his form tobi has a plan wich:

-1 he will gather the tailed beasts and revive juubi
2- go back to his formalself : by making nagato use rinntensei on him,tobidara wil finally go back to his reall vessel "madara" and fuse with him..then become the juubi's jinchuriki..

- when tobi was asked whats your goil , he said " I WANT A PERFEC BODY"..that means madara was in another weaker body (obito) and plans to revive his reall vessel madara...

-tobimadara and Madara are like the gedo mazo and juubi....they are 2 parts of the same being....
the Gedo Mazo is the empty shell of the juubi...and the juubi is the bijuus devided into 9 tailed beast ..so when the gedo mazo goes back to its formerself and fuse with the bijuus..it will become the revived Juubi !!!!...so same thing for tobimadara and madara...madara may have used the same jutsu "banbutsu sozo"to seal his immortal part within obito...itachi said "madara now is just a pathetic shell of his formerself"...during the 5 kages summit the masked man said "im an empty shell of my formerself"...

-notice how tobi soemtimes spent his life sitting on the statue of madara in the valley of end...thats becuz tobi misses his original form and vessel "madara"..

- the one who minato defeated was madara but a madara without his reall vessel...that is why the masked man said to minato it was a miracle that he defeated him...and thats why he congratulated him..simply becuz Minato defeated madara !!...Minato is smart..if it was obito who fought with his free will at that time im pretty sure he would've recognized obito...but Minato's logic was true but he still doesnt realize that he was right...

-did you see kisame's epic death?..do you think he died for some1 who took the talk nojutsu for naruto??...kisame died protecting madara's secrets...kisame in fact spoke with madara ( and i believe he saw the true face of tobi wich is a sort of tobidara evolution)..
think about it...it doesnt make sence if obito approches kisame and takes off his make and then appology for not telling him he was madara who acted like goofy ...in other words. obito can't entrust kisame's his secrets and lie to him at the same time by saying he was madara..when in fact he was obito...guys that was madara..madara choosed kisame becuz he is trustworthy and do not betray his commrades...

-ithe wise itachi uchiha..the captain of anbu...and member of akatsuki...you have to resee that episode when he told sasuke the truth of Madara...sasuke says..who helped you kill the uchiha?...itachi responds : madara the founder of konoha..sasuke says : founder? if so then he shoudlv' been dead long time ago..then itachi confirms it and say "Madara lives still wether you choose to belive me or not is you problem"...sasuke still do not believe him and say " enough of your bullshit"..then itachi answers him with these wise words : " one's truth is another's illsuion, we all live inside our fantasies..thinking madara is dead is the trappping of your own perspective in th same way
you fooled yourself when you thought i was a caring brother"...you kno what? that was kishimoto speaking through itachi and warning us...what we thought it was truth tobi being obito..might be just an illuzion since we didn't get the full explanations of tobi's mystery...
iin other words kishimoto was telling us " Tobi is uchiha madara but this truth will be very hard to believe".....

-befor he kills konan tobi said " since you are about to die i will tell you the truth:" i was the one who gave nagato the rinnegan, and iwas the one who spurred yahiko to inform akatsuki"...then when Konan asked tobi about his true identity he told her " im uchiha madara ..im the second rikudo..im unique"...i bet my life obito wasn't the one who said that...listen plzz..obito may lie and pretend to be madara...but he can never be proud of himself to be uchiha madara....in fight tobi vs konan...i saw Madara's pride and arrogance within tobi..then few minutes later..he finds the corpse of nagato and tells him :" you betrayed me but still smile in my face"...in what way could nagato betray obito when he used the rinnetensei on the villagers instead of madara...why would obito be upset when he himself never planned to revive madara??...go to chapter " the night befor the kages summit"..when tobi was with black zetsu he told him : " i can't believe nagato used his rinntensei like that..it was suposed to be for me"...but how can nagato use rinntensei on tobi when tobi is still alive..the answer is ...that was clearly tobimadara who was refering to his original vessel "madara"...

-tobidara integrated spiral zetsu within his body to allow him act like a goofy guy and lead akatsuki from the shadow...like how old madara hide himself in cave and didnt want the world to know about his existence...he wil also hide himself wthin obito and act like goofy guy..the goofy guy and obito are like mirage for his true identity...that is why itachi told us reality may all be a mirage...madara will use this fact to prove the allaince shinobies that this life is full of lies..and that his his Moon eye plan is worth implemeting...

 

[UchihaMifune]

Stopped reading when u said there is another madara inside obito

 

[Lyke]

Tobidara? Are you f*vking serious? That sounds like TobiramaxMadara

 

[Ver55e]

Zetsu is an A.I living wood

 

[Six Paths]

Well the theory has a point, I have even seen the Youtube video.
This is the theory witch makes most sense along with Sir Derp Obitos theory about The Sage being an Uzumaki

 

[sagenaruto29]

I was about to clown you for this but actuality it actually makes a whole lot of sense. I give you rep for it. But one thing, Are you staying the vessel Madara will be stronger than this version? And is this version the vessel has been sucking on the Gedo Mazo all these years trying to make that vessel more like the Rikudo Sage

 

[altaire uchiha]

I cant believe somebody would spend so much time writing and thinking about something that stupid. Couldnt even finish it my brain started to bleed.

 

[minamoto]

I was about to clown you for this but actuality it actually makes a whole lot of sense. I give you rep for it. But one thing, Are you staying the vessel Madara will be stronger than this version? And is this version the vessel has been sucking on the Gedo Mazo all these years trying to make that vessel more like the Rikudo Sage

-thx bro...actually Madara is stronger then tobimadara..byut tobimadara has more knowledge then Madara.so they are both strong...madara said the plan didn't go as planned..becuz it was tobimadara who should make nagato revive his reall vessel madara..but becuz of kabuto and naruto the plan didn't go as set... if you read chapter 601 there's huge hint..when obito's arm,autohealed madara spoke with an inner consiousness controlling obito and said "well if its you i guess you have some plan"...,..listen bro many of us think that its Madara the final villain becuz he is badass..Noo..in fact its the masked man who is the final villain becuz he was mastermind and was the central villain throughout the series...kishimoto will not neglect that part...didn't you se how obito didn't show any traits of that badass tobi?..the paw part in tobi is obito..and the boss part in tobi is madara...the pawn part got talknojutsed by naruto..but the boss part will emerge soon and reveal us the truth of tobi...

why madara is the final vilain : in order for madara to become the final villain ..he has to be tobi...and if obito wants to be redeemed tobi has to be madara controlling him....itachi said madara's secret is immortality...dude just trust on kisame and itachi cuz they were right

 

[minamoto]

I cant believe somebody would spend so much time writing and thinking about something that stupid. Couldnt even finish it my brain started to bleed.

for your info i wrote the thread in less then 5 minutes

 

[Draxus]

for your info i wrote the thread in less then 5 minutes

And it shows.

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

& what about the 4th Mizukage....who was controlled by Madara (A, B, or C). Wouldn't they have been the one who made Rin into the jinchurriki and arranged her death in order to awaken Obito's eyes? Kisame called Tobi "4th Mizukage" did he call him the 3rd? So that would mean Obito showed "his" face.
Hold on...I'm gonna go back and read some more. I re-read chapters 320-460 last wkend on a whim. Now I wanna find that encounter between Kisame and Tobi. I think your theory holds water. Pretty solid, but could be just coincidence or that Obito was delusional because he lost his sence of himself and embraced that he truly was "no one"

 

[Mr Hiru]

minamoto, I'd say that you're very high, too high for my taste...

BUT... after searching in the sources... you're right about each statement. Your theory is sound... but it would help if you put some manga pages clearing the doubts.

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

So if you read the story based behind Rin, we know that Tobi couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage due to the 2nd Mizukage would've had to been the one who been a part of the 3rd Ninja War and had Rin turned into the jinchuuriki which ultimately lead to her death by Kakashi and causing Tobi (Obito) to go down the road hes gone down stating that Rin's death was the stepping stone to his decision to follow Madara. Also at this same time Madara couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage due to the fact that he was connected to the Tree and unable to barley leave the cave he was in. Now the 2nd Mizukage was already dead at this point based on the story of how he died and Ōnoki was already the new Tsuchikage since he had fought Madara as a young man in what seems to be probably his teens. This being said the Manga does skip over the 3rd Mizukage so we have no idea who this person was or why they are never mentioned or resurrected. Then you factor in that the Akatsuki as far as the criminal organization wasn't formed till during the 3rd Ninja War. After the death of Rin- Tobi begins his manipulation of Nagato. So factoring all that in, he couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage only the manipulator of the 4th Mizukage. So there is proof that the 3rd Mizukage existed and died between the death of the 2nd Mizukage and the 3rd Ninja War where Tobi eventually put the 4th Mizukage under a Genjutsu like the one Danzou used at the kage summit. Sorry, I needed to hash all that out. So......what are we talking about again? Lol

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

Oh yea! I was thinking about how the whole "Kakashi killing Rin and Obito showing up just in time to see it happen and Madara telling him that he would be back" MUST have been set up by Madara, but how? Obito genjutsued the 4th mizukage and we never learned about the 3rd. So..... That's a plot hole that needs some pie filling!

 

[minamoto]

& what about the 4th Mizukage....who was controlled by Madara (A, B, or C). Wouldn't they have been the one who made Rin into the jinchurriki and arranged her death in order to awaken Obito's eyes? Kisame called Tobi "4th Mizukage" did he call him the 3rd? So that would mean Obito showed "his" face.
Hold on...I'm gonna go back and read some more. I re-read chapters 320-460 last wkend on a whim. Now I wanna find that encounter between Kisame and Tobi. I think your theory holds water. Pretty solid, but could be just coincidence or that Obito was delusional because he lost his sence of himself and embraced that he truly was "no one"

-ok and thats what itachi was talking about when he said :" reality may all be a Mirage"...for exemple Rin's death may seem like obito did to revenge on the Mist village for killing Rin..but in thruth...its Madara through his form of tobi who is going to controll the 4th mizukage yagura...just like how he controlled the 3rd Mizukage shortly after then end of the 3rd ninja world war...in other words Tobimadara is just carrying on his old agenda...old Madara designed the moon eye plan...and madara through his form of tobi is going to implement it...

 

[minamoto]

So if you read the story based behind Rin, we know that Tobi couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage due to the 2nd Mizukage would've had to been the one who been a part of the 3rd Ninja War and had Rin turned into the jinchuuriki which ultimately lead to her death by Kakashi and causing Tobi (Obito) to go down the road hes gone down stating that Rin's death was the stepping stone to his decision to follow Madara. Also at this same time Madara couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage due to the fact that he was connected to the Tree and unable to barley leave the cave he was in. Now the 2nd Mizukage was already dead at this point based on the story of how he died and Ōnoki was already the new Tsuchikage since he had fought Madara as a young man in what seems to be probably his teens. This being said the Manga does skip over the 3rd Mizukage so we have no idea who this person was or why they are never mentioned or resurrected. Then you factor in that the Akatsuki as far as the criminal organization wasn't formed till during the 3rd Ninja War. After the death of Rin- Tobi begins his manipulation of Nagato. So factoring all that in, he couldn't have been the 3rd Mizukage only the manipulator of the 4th Mizukage. So there is proof that the 3rd Mizukage existed and died between the death of the 2nd Mizukage and the 3rd Ninja War where Tobi eventually put the 4th Mizukage under a Genjutsu like the one Danzou used at the kage summit. Sorry, I needed to hash all that out. So......what are we talking about again? Lol

Dude...did you see the last episode of naruto "in Hell"..or chapter 605...one of the Mist anbu who attacked obito said "dont underestimate the village of THE BLOODY MIST"...the mist village was called bloody becuz tobi was manipulating and spiling the 4 mizukage...but during the incident of Rin's death when that anbu mist who told obito " dont underestimate the village of the bloody mist"...means that some1 was already controlling ,i would say, the 3rd mizukage befor tobi...who could it be?...ITS FREAKING UCHIHA MADARA!!..and through his manipulation on the mizukage ..Madara set the the Plan of Rin's death...if Madara was able to implant his rinnegan to nagato,then he is also able to controll the mizukage (maybe via chakra rodes)..

 

[miromiro]

miromiro, I'd say that you're very high, too high for my taste...

BUT... after searching in the sources... you're right about each statement. Your theory is sound... but it would help if you put some manga pages clearing the doubts.

Why would you bring up my name here outta the blue?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Why would you bring up my name here outta the blue?

Because your thread is good enough to do it. Congratulations, man.

 

[miromiro]

Because your thread is good enough to do it. Congratulations, man.

Rofl, I didn't do this topic.

 

[minamoto]

Because your thread is good enough to do it. Congratulations, man.

dude are you on cocaine?..i made that thread..but thx anyway