Sennin Mōdo Kabuto vs. Edo Itachi

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Conditions:

Scenario 1:​

Location: Cave

Intel: Manga (First encounter Battle)

Mindset: Itachi wants to kill. Kabuto wants to rewrite the Edo (like in Manga)

Scenario 2:​

Location: Cave

Intel: Full

Mindset: Same as Scenario 1

Scenario 3:​

Location: Edo Nagato and Edo Itachi vs Naruto and Bee

Intel: Manga (semi full, what Itachi seen kabuto do so far in the manga.)

Mindset: Same as Scenario 1 and 2.


Edit: Common sense tells Edo is always restricted.
 
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Kabuto may lose the first round due to no knowledge on Izanami, but it's still debatable.
He wins rounds 2 and 3, though.
 

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I like how you put Kabuto in a cave in almost all the rounds to give him some semblance of hope of surviving due to field advantage. lul...

Itachi takes all 3 rounds; round 3 being the easiest.
 

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I like how you put Kabuto in a cave in almost all the rounds to give him some semblance of hope of surviving due to field advantage. lul...

Itachi takes all 3 rounds; round 3 being the easiest.

Instead of coming off as an *******, how about we have a normal discussion/debate? Lets focus on round 3, since its apparently the "easiest".
 

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Instead of coming off as an *******, how about we have a normal discussion/debate? Lets focus on round 3, since its apparently the "easiest".

lol fair enough.

Totsuka or Izanami ends the fight.
Muki tensei and sound gen are less effective in that open area allowing itachi to survive long enough, without relying on MS, to end kabuto
Kabuto has no ceiling to jump to to dodge itachi attacks. Once he goes into the air, he's at the mercy of gravity to come back down at which point itachi's sharp precision can end his life with totsuka.

That's just the short version.
 

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Totsuka or Izanami ends the fight.

-Totsuka ends any fight if the person gets pierce. Lucky for Kabuto his perceptual and jutsu easily neglects Totsuka from landing.

-Itachi already admitted that this jutsu is not as effective in combat, made for specific reason[ ]. With Sasuke not helping here, might want to elaborate on he will ever catch him in the loop.

Muki tensei and sound gen are less effective in that open area allowing itachi to survive long enough, without relying on MS, to end kabuto

-Proof that Muki Tensei is less effective outside? Also, Kabuto doesn't even have to use it offensively.

-Proof that Sound gen are less effective in open area? Don't waste your time finding one, cause there isn't.

Kabuto has no ceiling to jump to to dodge itachi attacks. Once he goes into the air, he's at the mercy of gravity to come back down at which point itachi's sharp precision can end his life with totsuka.

-Now why would he need a ceiling to dodge itachi attacks lol? What exactly will happen if he doesn't have a ceiling to jump to?


That's just the short version.

Can't wait for a better one, so I can actually put Kabuto in display.
 

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We have seen Itachi requiring heavy assistance from an EMS user to combat Kabuto.

Kabuto mid diff.
 

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-Totsuka ends any fight if the person gets pierce. Lucky for Kabuto his perceptual and jutsu easily neglects Totsuka from landing.

-Itachi already admitted that this jutsu is not as effective in combat, made for specific reason[ ]. With Sasuke not helping here, might want to elaborate on he will ever catch him in the loop.
That'd be true if itachi couldn't just use shadow clones to help him out. Without a roof allowing him a 3d plane of movement, all kabuto can do is move forward/back, left/right. Itachi already established he can p , so hitting him is inevitable when itachi has intent to kill instead of restrain. A capped edo itachi already pushed kabuto.

lol? Sasuke had nothing to do with izanami. Itachi to .
He then to .

What does sasuke have to do with anything when itachi can neg diff on his own.

-Proof that Muki Tensei is less effective outside? Also, Kabuto doesn't even have to use it offensively.

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Stalagmites, Stalagtities, and A roof are all unique to caves.
It doesn't take rocket science to understand that what Kabuto did in the cave is impossible outside of it. Muki tensei would have to be used in a completely different way which can just be dodged by jumping, seeing as he'd only have ground below itachi's feet to work with.

-Proof that Sound gen are less effective in open area? Don't waste your time finding one, cause there isn't.

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Kabuto pretty much stated that it's impossible to avoid sound gen in the cave. Just look at the points highlighted in red, The sound waves travel throughout the entire cave due to acoustics.
Sound gen is only effective if you can hear the tune. If there's , it won't even work.

-Now why would he need a ceiling to dodge itachi attacks lol? What exactly will happen if he doesn't have a ceiling to jump to?

What do you mean what happens if he doesn't have a roof...? He has one less method to help dodge attacks. It's the roof that helped him dodged sasuke's attacks in the first place.


Can't wait for a better one, so I can actually put Kabuto in display.
Lemme guess? Muki tensei gg? sound gen gg? white rage gg? That's pretty much the only arguments there are and the manga already disproves them.
 

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That'd be true if itachi couldn't just use shadow clones to help him out. Without a roof allowing him a 3d plane of movement, all kabuto can do is move forward/back, left/right. Itachi already established he can p , so hitting him is inevitable when itachi has intent to kill instead of restrain. A capped edo itachi already pushed kabuto.

Why would you bring up that context when clearly, the intention for Kabuto is to capture Sasuke. This is a battle with different intention here, which yet wont proof Izanami or Totsuka benefiting here.

lol? Sasuke had nothing to do with izanami. Itachi to .
He then to .

Again, Sasuke made this succeed. All you have to do is look on the context before Izanami could of succeed.

First two links, wouldn't be successful without Sasuke's help[ ][ ][ ].

Concerning last links: [ ][ ][ ]

What does sasuke have to do with anything when itachi can neg diff on his own.

What I post above.

That scan was not the best proof to show anyway considering:

-Kabuto didn't show all his moves during the time.
-Snake Tail shown later, in the manga, that it could always help/tag team in CQC.
-Itachi does not have Sasuke sword to parry like he can with any other tools on him.

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Stalagmites, Stalagtities, and A roof are all unique to caves.
It doesn't take rocket science to understand that what Kabuto did in the cave is impossible outside of it. Muki tensei would have to be used in a completely different way which can just be dodged by jumping, seeing as he'd only have ground below itachi's feet to work with.

@Bold: Which is exactly why Muki Tensei will not be limited. Muki Tensei works by giving life and controlling something that is not alive. Kabuto giving life to the location, can command it to produce it's own spikes.

@Underline: Then wouldn't Itachi be at the mercy of gravity to come back down at which point Kabuto's sharp precision can end his life with Sound 5 spam.

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Kabuto pretty much stated that it's impossible to avoid sound gen in the cave. Just look at the points highlighted in red, The sound waves travel throughout the entire cave due to acoustics.
Sound gen is only effective if you can hear the tune. If there's , it won't even work.

Kabuto's statement wasn't specific lol. The same (last link) scan you post contradicts your statement of the Sound Genjutsu since it is as effective as Tayuya doing it outside.[ ]. Temari statement in attempting to counter it's limitless range of effect[ ]. Nothing in Itachi's arsenal is defecting the sound either.

( the word "limitless" was meant as a hyperbole to get my point across)


What do you mean what happens if he doesn't have a roof...? He has one less method to help dodge attacks. It's the roof that helped him dodged sasuke's attacks in the first place.

No that was an option only because of the location. Open space doesn't limit his possibility lol..[ ]

Lemme guess? Muki tensei gg? sound gen gg? white rage gg? That's pretty much the only arguments there are and the manga already disproves them.

Muki Tesnei? Can be use to pressure Itachi, forcing him to a corner.
Sound Gen? Yup. Manga already proved Itachi can't break it alone.
White Rage? Of course not, since its outside, which is less effective. Not to mention that I made this match up Edo body in the first place, to make the full effect ineffective lol.. Pointless discussion if I were to make this Alive Itachi. But it can be use to blind Itachi so he won't see the next attack.


Now, ways Kabuto can defeat:
-Full intent Bone forest. Since Sasuke is not here he can go all out with it.
-Web pressure. Along with Bone forest, Sasuke won't be helping him spam Blaze Style via Amaterasu[ ] and maintaining Sussanoo[ ]
-Genjutsu. Kabuto can move around while he lets Tayuya play the flutes. Kabuto can also make Tayuya perform many Genjutsu stimulation while at it[ ]
-Dis balancing Itachi with[ ], Jirobo Doton, with an addition of Doro Doton on top of it[ ]. Chakra cannot be perform during it's absorption process, unless he has something that will replenish his chakra on him.
-Attempting to "kill", can cause Itachi to cut Orochimaru's body, which eventually evaporates poison in the air.
-Summoning can smash Itachi, or Itachi is force to Seal them, leaving him vulnerable until the sealing is finish consuming them all.

Endless combos Kabuto can do.
 
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Kabuto solos all scenarios. Izanami is not doable in a 1 v 1 scenario.
 

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My boy Itachi has no counter for White Rage and sound Genjutsu.
 

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Edo Itachi can spam clones and/or endlessly use his Susanoo with Yata Mirror/Totsuka. He held back quite a bit against Kabuto last time.

White rage has already been countered. And Shikamaru already demonstrated how easy it is to counter Tayuya's genjutsu.


Sound genjutsu shits.
How does Sound genjutsu taking a shit help in this match-up?
 

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Edo Itachi can spam clones

No he can't. Although he has unlimited chakra, it still goes by his chakra reserves, that are limited to.

Kabuto can also use Orochimaru[ ] on his body to perform Shadow clone[ ].

or endlessly use his Susanoo with Yata Mirror/Totsuka.

Not while Kabuto can constantly pressurize Susanoo.
Susanoo has shown countless of time being remove through character concussive damage

He held back quite a bit against Kabuto last time.

So did Kabuto, who didn't want to hurt Sasuke. Both mine and your claim here does not support how both of these characters give a reason to defeat each other.

White rage has already been countered.

White Rage effected itachi. But due to his Edo body he couldn't feel the full effect, thus can mold chakra properly. White Rage can still be effective, by blocking Itachi eye sight and defying sound. That means Itachi cannot follow the next move as a follow up.

And Shikamaru already demonstrated how easy it is to counter Tayuya's genjutsu.

Right, Shikimaru's justu slowly halted, which gave him time to use his jutsu last sec to snap his finger. Kabuto's Senjutsu is much greater and faster effect. Not to mention his Edo can't feel pain to begin with. So using Shikiamru as an example is not helping you counter the Sound Genjutsu

How does Sound genjutsu taking a shit help in this match-up?

-Completely halts jutsu. Shut's down Sussanoo.
-Kabuto, can feel like it, by adding tens fold of more Genjutsu stimulation, through Tayuya[ ]
-Itachi can only use Yin Release in his condition, which is useless in this match up.
-Itachi has no method to break out of it alone.
 

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Kabuto stomps all scenarios
 

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Location: Cave

Intel: Manga (First encounter Battle)

Mindset: Itachi wants to kill. Kabuto wants to rewrite the Edo (like in Manga)
cant he just end ET altogether?

Location: Cave

Intel: Full

Mindset: Same as Scenario 1

Scenario 3:


Location: Edo Nagato and Edo Itachi vs Naruto and Bee

Intel: Manga (semi full, what Itachi seen kabuto do so far in the manga.)

Mindset: Same as Scenario 1 and 2.
kabuto summons edo army

Edo Itachi can spam clones and/or endlessly use his Susanoo with Yata Mirror/Totsuka.
kabuto has edos, plus cant kabuto endlessly use white rage
Totsuka or Izanami ends the fight.
izanami takes too long to work, totsuak can be dodged
 
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