Gai vs Minato

[Prince Charles]

Legendary toad sage when you speak of base speed are you simply referring to naturally running speed? such as deidara showed here against team guy[

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Where? using ftg?

Ftg is not automatic he has to activate it first mentally which is a reaction.

 

[blazekev90]

You were defending Gai's reaction time while disregarding Minato's. Minato's reactions are superior.



He did not almost get caught a second time. Don't know where you got that from.



So did

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. So did

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. That didn't stop them from getting owned.



Gai was never in any situation similar to Minato's. Gai fought Obito with support from Naruto, Kakashi, and Bee; while having full intel on Obito's secret ability. Gai fought a pee-wee version of Minato's battle.



The winner of the battle was said to be the one who would

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. Minato

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. Therefore Minato was faster, as the manga explicitly stated.



Tobi never touched Minato, he materialized to touch him but Minato teleported before he could do so.

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. He knew what would work and what wouldn't against Obito. Again, he gets warped if he's in

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I don't know what you're referring to here, but Minato has shown superior reaction feats compared to Gai, so it doesn't really matter. You're comparing FTG to Kamui when they're utilized in completely different ways.



No, but Minato's base speed is fast enough to dodge just about all of Gai's attacks. It was fast enough to

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, fast enough to intercept Naruto before being stabbed

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, fast enough to blitz Rock nin before his backpack even touched the ground

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. Against the Raikage, he was able to throw his Kunai right before being

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and he's able to place marks without his enemy noticing

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show me suprioe reaction speed? Though it means very little, hence Gai was reacted to supeior offesnes

1)

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2)

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Ay knew nothing of ftg, only his reputation. Obitio was still an inexperienced teen using chains -_-

The degree of knowildge means nothing, as I stated, Gai's reaction speed would remain the same, idk why you're still mentioning the use of knowlsge. Trying to justify why Minato was caught? lol

I've already explained, Minato was faster than Obito, not Kamui. Minato used ftg after Obito materialized to touch Minato and in the process ftg was used. This caught Obito off guard, it's pretty simple


WOW Gai knew to avoid direct attacks LOL...ok! There is a differrence between knowing what to do and having the abiltiy to succeed in doing this. Gai has the ability to react, so BOOM

All of your scans are fails!

Kakashi was Minato's kunia prior to that

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Bee was tagged

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Ay had no prior knowledge until after FTG was used

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sheesh lol the ONLY scan worth noting was this

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[SasukeCurse]

gai opens 8th gate to beat Minato at the risk of his life.

 

[blazekev90]

Ftg is not automatic he has to activate it first mentally which is a reaction.

yes, I've discussed reaction speed. They're are two steps, mental prep and physical movement. Using ftg you ONLY have to use the mental prep which is why he places kunia prior to the fight. w/o he needs to use both and I don't recall him even demonstrating this. Thus ftg isnt necessarily his actual physical reaction speed.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Shunshin is footspeed idiot.

Also, where's your proof Gai doesn't use chakra to enhance his speed?





It's a real shame he can and always does then, isn't it? Which means Minato makes Gai eat sh*t.

Don't worry, read more manga and you'll get caught up one day.

Jesus christ you stupid shit. If you didn't stick your ignorant ass nose in my post then you would know I was referring to PHYSICAL BASE SPEED. Also shunshin is clearly chakra influenced. I don't know why you're so damn bitter but you need to channel that shit someone else, because I didn't do anything to you. Don't worry, one day you might stop being a loud wrong ****er and talk to people like you have some sense.

 

[Booker]

yes, I've discussed reaction speed. They're are two steps, mental prep and physical movement. Using ftg you ONLY have to use the mental prep which is why he places kunia prior to the fight. w/o he needs to use both and I don't recall him even demonstrating this. Thus ftg isnt necessarily his actual physical reaction speed.

Minato tossed a kunai behind Ay who was moving at full speed, all while Ay was less than an inch from his face.

How's that for physical reaction speed? Gai has no feats that can match it.

Jesus christ you stupid shit. If you didn't stick your ignorant ass nose in my post then you would know I was referring to PHYSICAL BASE SPEED. also shunshin is clearly chakra influenced

I know what you were talking about, and you still haven't provided me with anything that suggests Gai doesn't use chakra to enhance his foot speed.

@Bold Duh, That's basic knowledge. Where did I say Shunshin isn't influenced by chakra? I'll wait.

Regardless, this argument means nothing because neither party is working off strict base foot speed without chakra. Your entire post is meaningless.

Also, the butthurt is real.

 

[Penguin]

Minato clearly beats Gai, but blazekev is making this good. Lol

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Minato tossed a kunai behind Ay who was moving at full speed, all while Ay was less than an inch from his face.

How's that for physical reaction speed? Gai has no feats that can match it.



I know what you were talking about, and you still haven't provided me with anything that suggests Gai doesn't use chakra to enhance his foot speed.


Also, the butthurt is real.

Provide evidence that he does.

Child please, I don't even know you lol. Just a little irritated you came at me like that for no reason.

 

[Prince Charles]

yes, I've discussed reaction speed. They're are two steps, mental prep and physical movement. Using ftg you ONLY have to use the mental prep which is why he places kunia prior to the fight. w/o he needs to use both and I don't recall him even demonstrating this. Thus ftg isnt necessarily his actual physical reaction speed.

Dont know what your really trying to say, regardless Minato still has demonstrated better reaction feats than Guy. Guy has never reacted towards something as fast as v2 Ay. But I do know what your trying to say in regards to the different types of reaction.

 

[Booker]

Provide evidence that he does.

Child please, I don't even know you lol. Just a little irritated you came at me like that for no reason.

I don't have to. Ever been in a debate before? Burden of proof is on you since you made the claim he doesn't use chakra to enhance his speed.

I can already tell you outright that every ninja uses chakra to enhance their speed. That's why they seem superhuman to any regular citizen.

 

[blazekev90]

Minato tossed a kunai behind Ay who was moving at full speed, all while Ay was less than an inch from his face.

How's that for physical reaction speed? Gai has no feats that can match it.

That's actually debatable. We know for fact the ftg has a wind gust similar to that of summonings which appears once used,

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There is a possibly that the gust of wind MInato left in place simply shifted its position in result of the occurring winds. That seems more plausible that Minato having time to toss a kunia with Ay in his face as is if was slow motion. -_-

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

rasengan gg

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

@Bold Duh, That's basic knowledge. Where did I say Shunshin isn't influenced by chakra? I'll wait.

Regardless, this argument means nothing because neither party is working off strict base foot speed without chakra. Your entire post is meaningless.

lel. Are you completely incoherent? I'll leave you to read and review everything that has happened thus far. Maybe you'll understand?

 

[~Sky~]

show me suprioe reaction speed? Though it means very little, hence Gai was reacted to supeior offesnes

No, he has not reacted to superior offenses.

1)

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That's the only time he was almost hit by Kamui.

2)

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Kamui =/= chains. I don't know how you confuse Kamui with chains, lmao.

Ay knew nothing of ftg, only his reputation. Obitio was still an inexperienced teen using chains -_-

You obviously didn't read the scan I posted. A knew if his

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, and after facing it for the first time he had

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The degree of knowildge means nothing,

Yes it does. Minato would never been close to being caught and would have defeated Obito instantly if he knew about Kamui.

as I stated, Gai's reaction speed would remain the same, idk why you're still mentioning the use of knowlsge. Trying to justify why Minato was caught? lol

No it wouldn't. If Gai was in

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, he would have been warped. You have conveniently ignored this point from the start.

I've already explained, Minato was faster than Obito, not Kamui.

Do you have any proof that Obito became faster with Kamui? No.

Minato used ftg after Obito materialized to touch Minato and in the process ftg was used. This caught Obito off guard, it's pretty simple

Yes. Minato outmaneuvered a much faster opponent then Gai.

WOW Gai knew to avoid direct attacks LOL...ok! There is a differrence between knowing what to do and having the abiltiy to succeed in doing this. Gai has the ability to react, so BOOM

No, Gai knew to fight with distractions. Something Minato did not know, and something he could not do because he was alone.

All of your scans are fails!

No they are not.

Kakashi was Minato's kunia prior to that

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Rin clearly says

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, not FTG.

Bee was tagged

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Exactly. Bee did not notice until after the fact. I used that scan as proof of how fast Minato can mark people. Clearly you misunderstood.

Ay had no prior knowledge until after FTG was used

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He knew of Minato's speed.

sheesh lol the ONLY scan worth noting was this

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Incorrect. I posted 8 scans in total, you only countered three, all of which you did not understand. It's not my fault you cannot understand the scans I'm posting. Minato marks Bee without anyone around noticing. Gai gets marked easily.

 

[blazekev90]

Dont know what your really trying to say, regardless Minato still has demonstrated better reaction feats than Guy. Guy has never reacted towards something as fast as v2 Ay. But I do know what your trying to say in regards to the different types of reaction.

lol I'm saying ftg=/ Minato's reaction ability as he ONLY has to worry about the mental preparation, NOT the physical

Minato hasn't shown both mental and physical reaction time the exceeds Gai's. Every time Minato was caught by Obito he used Ftg, this was not his reaction speed. We his reaction isnt what we expected, if so he should have caught Zetsu is recent chapters with NO problem.

 

[Booker]

That's actually debatable. We know for fact the ftg has a wind gust similar to that of summonings which appears once used,

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There is a possibly that the gust of wind MInato left in place simply shifted its position in result of the occurring winds. That seems more plausible that Minato having time to toss a kunia with Ay in his face as is if was slow motion. -_-

Um, no. That's completely wrong. I'm going out to eat right now, but I'll give you the scans that show you FTG does not create a gust of air.

If anybody else can post them while I'm out, I'd be grateful.

lel. Are you completely incoherent? I'll leave you to read and review everything that has happened thus far. Maybe you'll understand?

Sooooooo... No counter? What is this post supposed to prove? When I get back I expect an honest counter, since all shinobi use chakra to amplify their speed.

 

[~Sky~]

Going out to eat. Gammabunta solo's anyway. Peace.

 

[Prince Charles]

lol I'm saying ftg=/ Minato's reaction ability as he ONLY has to worry about the mental preparation, NOT the physical

Minato hasn't shown both mental and physical reaction time the exceeds Gai's. Every time Minato was caught by Obito he used Ftg, this was not his reaction speed. We his reaction isnt what we expected, if so he should have caught Zetsu is recent chapters with NO problem.

I mean I get what your saying but I honestly don't see Minato having trouble here, He reacted to to v2 say so I don't see any thing here from Guy long range offensives touching Minato along with his shunshin and ftg.

 

[blazekev90]

No, he has not reacted to superior offenses.



That's the only time he was almost hit by Kamui.



Kamui =/= chains. I don't know how you confuse Kamui with chains, lmao.




You obviously didn't read the scan I posted. A knew if his

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, and after facing it for the first time he had

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Yes it does. Minato would never been close to being caught and would have defeated Obito instantly if he knew about Kamui.



No it wouldn't. If Gai was in

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, he would have been warped. You have conveniently ignored this point from the start.




Do you have any proof that Obito became faster with Kamui? No.



Yes. Minato outmaneuvered a much faster opponent then Gai.




No, Gai knew to fight with distractions. Something Minato did not know, and something he could not do because he was alone.



No they are not.



Rin clearly says

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, not FTG.



Exactly. Bee did not notice until after the fact. I used that scan as proof of how fast Minato can mark people. Clearly you misunderstood.



He knew of Minato's speed.



Incorrect. I posted 8 scans in total, you only countered three, all of which you did not understand. It's not my fault you cannot understand the scans I'm posting. Minato marks Bee without anyone around noticing. Gai gets marked easily.

No dumbass lol you used that scans to try to prove Minato's base speed, which you failed miserably. Only TWO of the "8" scan were accurate.

Pleased don't try to switch your claim after you've been proven wrong, even looking at your post you try to argue how those scans were speed feats -_-

I said Minato was caught twice, which in fact he was! Similarly to how he fought against GAI who was able to physically react!!!! Minato was caught and used FTG. STOP TRYING TO TWIST THINGS IN YOUR FAVOR when the scans prove it

I said Minato defeated Obito and not Kmaui, yet you want proof of how more experienced become with Kamui over the course of time? lol are you serious?

THe rest of you post wasn't even worth acknowledging and this is starting to bore me. You're so focused on what Gai knew and inaccurate scans, I'm starting to waste my time.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

I don't have to. Ever been in a debate before? Burden of proof is on you since you made the claim he doesn't use chakra to enhance his speed.

Actually no, not very many.

When I said "enchancing speed with chakra" I was referring specifically to shunshin. Even Lee (an accomplished gate user) has shown how physically fast a gate user can become, without the use of shunshin. It would be nonsensical for Guy to use shunshin when he can mimic the same exact feats without it.