Gaara>Itachi I'll tell you why

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Nah but speed is important factor here, both of them are almost same. You forgot that Totsuka was able to seal Nagato, without him realizing it.
Gaara can take him out if he uses powerful attack, and hence it will cost him chakra, in above scan it looks easy because his sand was made lighter, and even if Gaara use that attack, Itachi can use Yata to protect himself.
And there is finger genjutsu too, something that Crossroads overlooked in his thread.
Edit-Actually Gaara is the worst opponent Itachi can face, but that doesn't make him>Itachi, Itachi still takes this high diff.

Gaara has sand transformation and can turn his body to sand. With that, he increase his limbs's length, and turn himself into sand. This counters Totsuka as Totsuka can't seal sand, but a soul.

The way Gaara' chakra eating moves work is, the heavier the defence, the more chakr ahe has to use. I say this because Sand Tsunami takes absolutely no chakra what so ever, but while raging on toward the enemy, it has no defense purposes.

Gaara could just as easily counter that by just not looking at his finger. Naruto looked at Itachi's finger, but Sakura Chiyo and Kakashi didn't.
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Logic is logic. We have the same definition as there is one definition. There are sides of debates you did not consider which could (and have) be debated for Itachi.

Eye contactless Genjutsu
Katon hot enough to turn sand to glass
Clone Feints
Etc.

You also did not take Gaara's nor Itachi's fighting styles into debate. By your logic, Gaara is better than Madara 1v1, simply because PS is not as tall as mountains, and Gaara can fly higher than mountains.

That's where your own iterpretations come from. It takes only basic common sense to know that PS>Totsuka Blade. To compare Totsuka Blade to PS is just illogical.
 

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I see zero legitimate counter for Totsuka.

Totsuka GG for now.

Totsuka countered

Gaara has sand transformation and can turn his body to sand. With that, he increase his limbs's length, and turn himself into sand. This counters Totsuka as Totsuka can't seal sand, but a soul.
 

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That means Gaara is definately should be in Top 10.

GG Itachi
 

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Totsuka countered

Scans for Gaara turning his own physical body to sand, please. I don't recall.

Not that it matters, anyways. Once Totsuka hits Gaara, he's not doing any type of transformation. He's already been sealed. Same reason Nagato didn't do anything after he was pierced.

Try again.
 

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Considering Itachi shunshin based on feats is the best in series. I'd say susanoo is not even needed to defeat him.
 

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Just one problem though, Gaara isn't exactly the fastest shinobi around, so when Itachi pulls that Totsuka out Gaara's chances of survival become spontaneously reduced
 

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Gaara has sand transformation and can turn his body to sand. With that, he increase his limbs's length, and turn himself into sand. This counters Totsuka as Totsuka can't seal sand, but a soul.

The way Gaara' chakra eating moves work is, the heavier the defence, the more chakr ahe has to use. I say this because Sand Tsunami takes absolutely no chakra what so ever, but while raging on toward the enemy, it has no defense purposes.

Gaara could just as easily counter that by just not looking at his finger. Naruto looked at Itachi's finger, but Sakura Chiyo and Kakashi didn't.
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That's where your own iterpretations come from. It takes only basic common sense to know that PS>Totsuka Blade. To compare Totsuka Blade to PS is just illogical.

1. Actually, I doubt Gaara has intel on Totsuka to do sand transformation accurately on time, because only 6 people are shown to know about it(Oro, Sasuke, Naruto, Nagato, Bee and Zetsu).
Totsuka can't seal sand but it can cut through sand and reach Gaara, penetrating it's absolute defense(just like chidori did0, and proof is this scan
2. On Yata,again intel may cause some problem.Sand tsunami does take chakra for manipulation btw, and it needs chakra to convert underground minerals in the sand(which may again cause a problem because Itachi has sharingan, which he always keeps active).
3. On finger genjutsu counter, again intel is a problem. To take that precaution you have to have some intel about the tech.
Itachi is that opponent where intel plays significant role due to his versatility and long list of jutsus.
 

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Scans for Gaara turning his own physical body to sand, please. I don't recall.

Not that it matters, anyways. Once Totsuka hits Gaara, he's not doing any type of transformation. He's already been sealed. Same reason Nagato didn't do anything after he was pierced.

Try again.

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He turned his physical appreance into and and went back to where he was stationed. Does this suffice?
 
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He turned his physical appreance into and and went back to where he was stationed. Does this suffice?
What?

That's just shunshin jutsu.
 

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The Tosuka Blade has no physical form, meaning its size and shape is entirely
manipulated... Spirit weapons have no physical limitations, same with the Yata Mirror which is able to
completely manipulate it's size and redirect techniques. As far as I'm concerned, if Itachi summons Susano'o it's game over.

Oh, let's not forget Tsukuyomi, can't put that on the level normal of Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi destroys time perception. Even
if Gaara were to be able to break it, two seconds in reality in the Tsukuyomi world is enough to destroy Gaara's mental chains. Badly.

Gaara stands a chance, but Itachi ultimately wins.
 

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In a 1v1 Itachi would win. For the simple fact that Gaara has no answer for Susanoo. He needed Oonoki just for his sand to be effective against Madara and that was only ONE time. He was never able to use his sand effectively vs Madara after that and they were fighting in a desert. Itachi could use YM to destroy Gaara's third eye as well. He could probably destory Gaara's defense with it seeing as Madara did it in which Oonoki had to support Gaara with his stone golem. YM is something Gaara cannot dodge because its too fast and Gaara isn't built on speed and nor is he agile hence why his main attribute is his defense. Totsuka is the cheat code for Itachi in the fight because Gaara won't be able to escape it. He can't fight in the air because of YM because it will pierce through his defense. If this is the sick/ill version of Itachi then Gaara has a chance but if this is Itachi at full health then its another story. The fact that the sharigan allows the user to see chakara will allow Itachi to know where Gaara's sand that he control is at all the time. This puts him at a big advantage vs Gaara.

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Gaara's ultimate defense being pierced through by YM.
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How are you so sure Sasuke doesn't just has massive chakra reserves and Mangekyo Sharingan techniques just consume lots of chakra? And if Itachi uses Perfect Susano'o or any other form that has legs, then Gaara won't be able to grab him..
 

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1. Actually, I doubt Gaara has intel on Totsuka to do sand transformation accurately on time, because only 6 people are shown to know about it(Oro, Sasuke, Naruto, Nagato, Bee and Zetsu).
Totsuka can't seal sand but it can cut through sand and reach Gaara, penetrating it's absolute defense(just like chidori did0, and proof is this scan
2. On Yata,again intel may cause some problem.Sand tsunami does take chakra for manipulation btw, and it needs chakra to convert underground minerals in the sand(which may again cause a problem because Itachi has sharingan, which he always keeps active).
3. On finger genjutsu counter, again intel is a problem. To take that precaution you have to have some intel about the tech.
Itachi is that opponent where intel plays significant role due to his versatility and long list of jutsus.

Gaara made a sand shield large enough to cover the Sand Village's center in the blink of an eye. Gaara could just as easily disperse into sand in no time. Gaara's reaction timeing is very underrated.
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It takes no chakra for Gaara to make his sand, as iit is nly grinding minerals. Wat could possibly take chakra?
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It would only be the wise choice for Gaara to go intot the air in the begining of the battle. There, he can use third eye and block Tsukyomi, and finger genjutsu.

What?

That's just shunshin jutsu.

Did you see it in the anime? He turned into sand. Gaara wasn't fast enough for Shunshin

The Tosuka Blade has no physical form, meaning its size and shape is entirely
manipulated... Spirit weapons have no physical limitations, same with the Yata Mirror which is able to
completely manipulate it's size and redirect techniques. As far as I'm concerned, if Itachi summons Susano'o it's game over.

Oh, let's not forget Tsukuyomi, can't put that on the level normal of Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi destroys time perception. Even
if Gaara were to be able to break it, two seconds in reality in the Tsukuyomi world is enough to destroy Gaara's mental chains. Badly.

Gaara stands a chance, but Itachi ultimately wins.
 

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In a 1v1 Itachi would win. For the simple fact that Gaara has no answer for Susanoo. He needed Oonoki just for his sand to be effective against Madara and that was only ONE time. He was never able to use his sand effectively vs Madara after that and they were fighting in a desert. Itachi could use YM to destroy Gaara's third eye as well. He could probably destory Gaara's defense with it seeing as Madara did it in which Oonoki had to support Gaara with his stone golem. YM is something Gaara cannot dodge because its too fast and Gaara isn't built on speed and nor is he agile hence why his main attribute is his defense. Totsuka is the cheat code for Itachi in the fight because Gaara won't be able to escape it. He can't fight in the air because of YM because it will pierce through his defense. If this is the sick/ill version of Itachi then Gaara has a chance but if this is Itachi at full health then its another story.

I've already countered them both, ans Gaara's answer to Susanoo was proven fact in the OP. I really found this post to be a troll one.

How are you so sure Sasuke doesn't just has massive chakra reserves and Mangekyo Sharingan techniques just consume lots of chakra? And if Itachi uses Perfect Susano'o or any other form that has legs, then Gaara won't be able to grab him..

Itachi has shown no evidence of havng legged Susanoo or higher. Dn't give Madara's feats to him just becssue their both Uchiha. Also, Itachi has only a beginner EMS, he could barely take Kirin on, seeing as he was nearly dead after he tanked it. He also only used Totsuka blade once before nearly dying from chakra exhaustion, meaning he can only tank one heavy jutsu and use Totsuka blade once before he dies of chakra exhaustion.
 

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Gaara made a sand shield large enough to cover the Sand Village's center in the blink of an eye. Gaara could just as easily disperse into sand in no time. Gaara's reaction timeing is very underrated.
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It takes no chakra for Gaara to make his sand, as iit is nly grinding minerals. Wat could possibly take chakra?
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It would only be the wise choice for Gaara to go intot the air in the begining of the battle. There, he can use third eye and block Tsukyomi, and finger genjutsu.



Did you see it in the anime? He turned into sand. Gaara wasn't fast enough for Shunshin

Deidara's C3 attack descended fairly slow. Gaara had well enough prep time to form the sand shield on the village. Plus, it only explodes upon impact.

Every Shinobi can perform Shunshin... It's a trademark, Gaara doesn't transform into sand, only Shinobi who can transform into their element is Suigetsu, Gaara wouldn't wear the Sand Armor if he could simply transform into it.

There is NO counter against Tsukuyomi, and Itachi's other Genjutsu are subtle at best (meaning Gaara could get caught before the battle even begins, which Itachi was ALWAYS shown doing), even with the third eye, how is he going to negate Tsukuyomi? It works on an entirely different level.

Oh, yeah, Gaara has already noted in the battle against Kimimaro that using and creating sand that wasn't made in the Gourd takes much more Chakra to use and control since it's naturally heavier...... His techniques would exhaust his Chakra by the time Itachi begins the onset of exhaustion before using Susano'o.
Dude. Gaara can't definitively defeat Itachi.
 
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I've already countered them both, ans Gaara's answer to Susanoo was proven fact in the OP. I really found this post to be a troll one.



Itachi has shown no evidence of havng legged Susanoo or higher. Dn't give Madara's feats to him just becssue their both Uchiha. Also, Itachi has only a beginner EMS, he could barely take Kirin on, seeing as he was nearly dead after he tanked it. He also only used Totsuka blade once before nearly dying from chakra exhaustion, meaning he can only tank one heavy jutsu and use Totsuka blade once before he dies of chakra exhaustion.
Um no dude, Oonoki made the sand lighter so Gaara could have greater control over it. Gaara states that the sand outside his gourd is much heavier because the sand in his gourd is fused with his own personal chakara. What Oonoki did was he made Gaara's control over that sand "lighter" so Gaara could manipulate it better without the weight restrictions. Also, you never mentioned Yasaka's Magatama. Madara has already shown that it can pierce straight through Gaara's "Mother Shield" which is his ultimate defense. The fact that the speed of YM makes it so Gaara can't fight while being in the air. Like I said before the sharigan sees chakara so Itachi will always know when Gaara is attacking or even if Gaara is setting up attacks with his sand by just simply laying his sand around Itachi. Totsuka sword IS the cheat code here because he can just absorb anything just by piercing it. That and Yata's mirror which repels ANY attack. Lastly, the ONLY way Gaara would have even a slim chance vs Itachi is if he was fighting in a desert. You never stated where they would be fighting. But it really doesn't matter anyway because Gaara's control over normal sand isn't nearly on the same level as his personal sand. The fact that Itachi can see chakara he would know what sand is his attacking sand and what isn't. Gaara has NO answer for Susanoo without Oonoki.
 
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Gaara made a sand shield large enough to cover the Sand Village's center in the blink of an eye. Gaara could just as easily disperse into sand in no time. Gaara's reaction timeing is very underrated.
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It takes no chakra for Gaara to make his sand, as iit is nly grinding minerals. Wat could possibly take chakra?
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It would only be the wise choice for Gaara to go intot the air in the begining of the battle. There, he can use third eye and block Tsukyomi, and finger genjutsu.

Nah on first scan Deidara gave Gaara a lot of time to 'react', Totsuka won't give him that much amount of time to react. Sand transformation is something which useless against Totsuka as totsuka seals souls.
'Grinding minerals' does take chakra to 'grind' them.
Even if he is in the air, he can't counter Tsukuyomi and that's the fact.
 

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Gaara made a sand shield large enough to cover the Sand Village's center in the blink of an eye. Gaara could just as easily disperse into sand in no time. Gaara's reaction timeing is very underrated.
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It takes no chakra for Gaara to make his sand, as iit is nly grinding minerals. Wat could possibly take chakra?
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It would only be the wise choice for Gaara to go intot the air in the begining of the battle. There, he can use third eye and block Tsukyomi, and finger genjutsu.



Did you see it in the anime? He turned into sand. Gaara wasn't fast enough for Shunshin

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lol Wut?

(1) Anime is non-canon
(2) You obviously have no idea what you're talking about if you think Gaara is too slow for Shunshin jutsu. That scan you posted was his shunsin jutsu, and he did it even earlier in that fight as well.

Sheesh, if you're going to argue for Gaara at least know what you're talking about.
 
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