Proof that tobirama is top 10 if you can understand

[iNotorious]

I am not using that jutsu in a debate. I am just telling you it wouldn't make a difference if Tobirama had the Sage or a citizen as an edo. Each would be used as a Kamikaze.

I get your point but let's not count edo tensei yet, we don't even know if he has people in his arsenal. :|

 

[Flawž]

I believe tobirama is top 10.

FTG
Edo tensei
Suiton
Kage Bunshin
Senju Chakra reserves
Intelligence at the highest caliber
Quick thinker

Hes got it all.

 

[iNotorious]

I believe tobirama is top 10.

FTG
Edo tensei
Suiton
Kage Bunshin
Senju Chakra reserves
Intelligence at the highest caliber
Quick thinker
Senju's dna

Hes got it all.

Fixed it for you buddy!

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

The sharingan depends on prediction. Killer B's style is not predictable and that is why it was so effective. Drunken fist would also be something else the sharingan would have trouble predicting. Although it is a nasty CQC style, I think Tobirama would be able to handle himself considering he fought Izuna with a sword up until he did kill him, which means he matched a sword wielding shinobi [since birth] who had the 3T and later on the MS.



I think Kage Bunshin can deal with ink clones, but whirlwind is a jutsu that would be real tough for Tobirama.



He was going to do it himself, so we can assume he can at least get rid of a TBB without hurting himself. Like he did with Obito's ball.



Tobirama outran Hashirama who is as fast as Madara who blitz'd SM Naruto. I don't think Killer B is blitzing anyone.

That is not an argument. Madara is haxxed and in Kishi wank mode.

He hasn't shown any feats that would allow him to get rid of a TBB so we can't assume that he can do it safely. The best he could have done against the Juubi is take it with him.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Tobirama's FTG isn't like Minato's, he doesn't use Kunais. If he tries to mark V2 Bee he gets destroyed by Lariat.

I know and it would be difficult but if he managed to place a mark on bee it would put the fight in his favour.

You'd put him "up there" with Itachi, yet don't mention him below?

While I agree on certain points that you've made, Tobirama is a very adept ninja.

The 3 I mentioned below are powerhouses who have so much raw power its difficult to face them without having dome of your own and I don't think tobirama would have much of a chance against them though itacnhi vs tobirama would be interesting.

I'm giving the speed advantage to bee, his sword style pushed Itachi back & dealt with sasuke no problem. Uchiha can read movements & even they were having problems landing a hit.

He can't deal with bee's whirlwind/ink clones which can restrain tobirama long enough for bee to launch a tbb.

Also we don't know exactly how tobirama can get rid of a tbb, so it may require something that he doesnt have in a 1v1.

Bee in V2 is also incredibly fast, FTG would allow tobi to escape but if he doesnt have a mark placed then he gets a lariat.



FTG helps tobi avoid bee, if tobi doesnt have any seals placed & bee decides to go V2 mode then tobirama can't avoid it.

The outmaneuvering would only be useful if he had multiple seals placed.



Tbbs are faster though.

I agree bee is very dangerous in close combat, but thankfully tobirama has lokng range jutsu to keep bee on his toes and create distance. Also it is easy to place an ftg seal it takes no time at all and he could touch some of his surrounding environment to create locations to ftg to and let's not forget exploding moving bombs.

 

[Ver55e]

Don't forget genjutsu . He performed it on the 3rd hokage when oro and the sand wanted to kill the leaf village

 

[UchihaMifune]

Tobirama is fodder.....

Waits for Penguin...

 

[Flawž]

Fixed it for you buddy!

aha nice.

Senju DNA is the answer to everything!

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama is fodder.....

Waits for Penguin...

Like I care what you think? I don't even know you. Lol

 

[Young Vongola]

FTG vs Bee

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[Flawž]

Like I care what you think? I don't even know you. Lol

ooooooh snap.

Penguin just put that fodder in his place.

Lol

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Gin and Kin almost killed him in a meeting with the 2nd Raikage if I remember correctly and they aren't that strong compared to the characters we see now.

He was finally killed by 20 members of the Kin/Gin squad.

 

[Draphsin]

The sharingan depends on prediction. Killer B's style is not predictable and that is why it was so effective. Drunken fist would also be something else the sharingan would have trouble predicting. Although it is a nasty CQC style, I think Tobirama would be able to handle himself considering he fought Izuna with a sword up until he did kill him, which means he matched a sword wielding shinobi [since birth] who had the 3T and later on the MS.

MS doesnt change kenjutsu feats

Anyways yes he did fight izuna but izuna doesnt have feats, we don't know how he used to fight. He could've been a pure genjutsu user. I tried to stay away from izuna because he is featless so its hard to make a comparison [kinda like the 20 bounty hunters that fought tobi].

I think Kage Bunshin can deal with ink clones, but whirlwind is a jutsu that would be real tough for Tobirama.

It depends on how many he can use, if he can use the taju kage bunshin then you would be right but as of now 6 ink clones doubles the amount of tobi's he can create.

Now don't get me wrong, tobirama probably has the taju kage bunshin but he hasnt shown it yet. When he shows it then that would definitely make a difference.

He was going to do it himself, so we can assume he can at least get rid of a TBB without hurting himself. Like he did with Obito's ball.

But then there's the multi tbb he has to worry about.

Tobirama outran Hashirama who is as fast as Madara who blitz'd SM Naruto. I don't think Killer B is blitzing anyone.

I'd just like to recap these feats. He outran hashi? Madz blitzed SM naruto?

If he did then it changes the blitzing option. This could probably push bee to bijuu mode but I still don't see tobi getting past that.

I agree bee is very dangerous in close combat, but thankfully tobirama has lokng range jutsu to keep bee on his toes and create distance. Also it is easy to place an ftg seal it takes no time at all and he could touch some of his surrounding environment to create locations to ftg to and let's not forget exploding moving bombs.

All fair tactics but as I said to penguin I just don't see him getting past bijuu mode.

 

[Penguin]

Gin and Kin almost killed him in a meeting with the 2nd Raikage if I remember correctly and they aren't that strong compared to the characters we see now.

He was finally killed by 20 members of the Kin/Gin squad.

Well, when you are at peace talks with Kumogakure, you are not exactly expecting a fight. What happened is what most people refer to as "getting jumped". Tobirama needs to knead his chakra to sense, and there was no reason to knead his chakra during the peace negotiations. Therefore, one can say it was not a fair fight.

Also, we do not know who killed him. Until Tobirama confirms it, it is speculation.

ooooooh snap.

Penguin just put that fodder in his place.

Lol

As always.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Don't forget genjutsu . He performed it on the 3rd hokage when oro and the sand wanted to kill the leaf village

I do believe that it was hashirama who used that and not tobirama

FTG vs Bee

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Now imagine that instead of using a kunai he uses the water jutsu he used against the god tree to cut him down

Gin and Kin almost killed him in a meeting with the 2nd Raikage if I remember correctly and they aren't that strong compared to the characters we see now.

He was finally killed by 20 members of the Kin/Gin squad.

I do believe the gin and kin incident was a surprise attack, we don't really know much about how he died except for he faced gin and kin and 20 other specialists.

 

[JKakano]

10) Killerbee
11) Muu

He loses to these two

2nd Mizukage
3rd Raikage

Debatable

Muu and killer bee? don't think so because of FTG. Killer bee is not that fast and tobirama can dodge muu's attack. so really we can't say it until seen all of their skills lol! but you could be right either

 

[Penguin]

MS doesnt change kenjutsu feats

Anyways yes he did fight izuna but izuna doesnt have feats, we don't know how he used to fight. He could've been a pure genjutsu user. I tried to stay away from izuna because he is featless so its hard to make a comparison [kinda like the 20 bounty hunters that fought tobi].

I know. Izuna needs feats. Only damn person Tobirama owns and he is featless. ;____;

It depends on how many he can use, if he can use the taju kage bunshin then you would be right but as of now 6 ink clones doubles the amount of tobi's he can create.

He had that barrier up that when Hiruzen tried making a clone, he said it would kill himself. Hiruzen created two clones whilst alive in his old form, so Tobirama should be able to make at least 4-6 quite comfortably.

Now don't get me wrong, tobirama probably has the taju kage bunshin but he hasnt shown it yet. When he shows it then that would definitely make a difference.

I know. Damn feats. ;___;

But then there's the multi tbb he has to worry about.

I hate multi TBB. >_>

I'd just like to recap these feats. He outran hashi? Madz blitzed SM naruto?

If he did then it changes the blitzing option. This could probably push bee to bijuu mode but I still don't see tobi getting past that.

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Hashirama is the same as Madara speed wise, and Tobirama outran Hashirama slightly. Base Madara blitz'd SM Naruto and Sai while blind.

All fair tactics but as I said to penguin I just don't see him getting past bijuu mode.

BM is a *****.

 

[-Punk-]

I don't think he is .

.His FTG is a weaker version of Minatos , but people still make excuse for him & still make them equal , which he himself said to be inferior .

.His suiton is overrated , yeah i know he cut the Tree , but so did everybody else , he's barely shown any feats with it . Kisame & Mei are better than him in suiton , judging by feats .

.I know he is the creator of Edo Tensai , but why give it as his feat ? did he ever used it in a battle ? have we seen that ? I didn't see it in the manga I don't count it + I believe he himself said that we will never use it .

He might be smart, but that is not enough IMO , again, I don't think he has shown enough feats to even count him as a top 10 material , he might crack it , but I don't see him being stronger than any of the Top 10 characters.

.His clan &hype don't do it for me , there's nothing wrong with him not being a top 10 , but well his fans overrate him a lot , just my two cents tho , have an A1 day .

 

[Itachi The Solo King]

Itachi > Tobirama

 

[Draphsin]

I know. Izuna needs feats. Only damn person Tobirama owns and he is featless. ;____;

He had that barrier up that when Hiruzen tried making a clone, he said it would kill himself. Hiruzen created two clones whilst alive in his old form, so Tobirama should be able to make at least 4-6 quite comfortably.

I know. Damn feats. ;___;

I hate multi TBB. >_>

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Hashirama is the same as Madara speed wise, and Tobirama outran Hashirama slightly. Base Madara blitz'd SM Naruto and Sai while blind.

BM is a *****.

Lol well I think we've reached a consensus about BM, but you did convince me that tobi would definitely push bee to that point.