Proof that tobirama is top 10 if you can understand

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

You people severely underestimate tobirama he is one of 2 people who who possess ftg which is an incredible jutsu. You say he lacks feats but he has proved himself more than enough and against the likes of juubito, the god tree and hiruzen. His ftg gives him the upper hand against most opponents due to the sheer speed of ftg. His reactions are some of the best in the manga, he is the best water style user or at least said to be, however kisame is very impressive in that field and is likely better. Even so his suiton is powerful, he was able to cut through the god tree with a pressurised water jutsu that cut through the tree effortlessly. His analytical skills are some of the best in the manga I would put him up there with itachi. He has Edo tensei and jutsu to use in combination with Edo tensei like the exploding Edo tensei tags jutsu. Against hiruzen he used a water wave type jutsu compared to the short burst of pressurised water used against the god tree showing he is capable of summoning large bodies of water. So I hope you guys have taken note and hopefully I've changed your mind even a tiny bit if I have then it was worth you reading.

for you lazy guys

One of two guys who has ftg
Some of the best Water jutsu in manga
Some of the best reactions in manga
Incredibly intelligent and analytical
Edo tensei
Edo tensei battle tactics
This is more than enough to take on anyone and too much for some characters.

P.s no bashing, negative opinions, or generally being a d##k, if you have something to say explain and we can talk. Tobirama > your fave unless its madara or hashirama or juubito. You think he is not top 10 bring whoever you think is number 10 in your list and let's debate

 

[Draphsin]

10) Killerbee
11) Muu

He loses to these two

2nd Mizukage
3rd Raikage

Debatable

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

His FTG is limited if he doesn't prep before a fight. His Suiton is second to Kisame's. Edos also require prep.

He loses to:
All forms of Obito
Madara
BSM Naruto
BM Minato
Hashirama
EMS Sasuke
Nagato
DSM Kabuto
Itachi - as he can't get through Susanoo
Kakashi
3rd Raikage
Killer Bee

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

10) Killerbee
11) Muu

He loses to these two

2nd Mizukage
3rd Raikage

Debatable

OK let's debate killer bee then. Your move I'll counter

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama beats Mu, just saying. He also beats Onoki, and is equal to Itachi. I think he is top 10 and is placed exactly where Minato is.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

His FTG is limited if he doesn't prep before a fight. His Suiton is second to Kisame's. Edos also require prep.

He loses to:
All forms of Obito
Madara
BSM Naruto
BM Minato
Hashirama
EMS Sasuke
Nagato
DSM Kabuto
Itachi - as he can't get through Susanoo
Kakashi
3rd Raikage
Killer Bee

So how did he catch juubito off guard if his ftg requires prep as you say? Also you think he won't have some edo tense I already prepped I mean he is the creator after all.

 

[Draphsin]

OK let's debate killer bee then. Your move I'll counter

Tobirama just doesnt have what it takes to go up against his big guns [V2/BM]

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama just doesnt have what it takes to go up against his big guns [V2/BM]

He said he can get rid of TBB. V2 is what Tobirama cannot handle apparently. A kunai cut Killer B's tentacle, so Suidanha or a sword should do the trick. He is faster than B by quite a bit.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I agree, Tobirama deserve to be in top 10 based on showing really good feats

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Tobirama just doesnt have what it takes to go up against his big guns [V2/BM]

V2 bee is very powerful yes but he is nowhere near fast enough as ftg and tobirama could easily outmanoeuvre him. If bee goes bm mode he is finished as tobirama can just use an Edo or two to blow him up using infinite tags jutsu.

 

[iNotorious]

You people severely underestimate tobirama he is one of 2 people who who possess ftg which is an incredible jutsu. You say he lacks feats but he has proved himself more than enough and against the likes of juubito, the god tree and hiruzen. His ftg gives him the upper hand against most opponents due to the sheer speed of ftg. His reactions are some of the best in the manga, he is the best water style user or at least said to be, however kisame is very impressive in that field and is likely better. Even so his suiton is powerful, he was able to cut through the god tree with a pressurised water jutsu that cut through the tree effortlessly. His analytical skills are some of the best in the manga I would put him up there with itachi. He has Edo tensei and jutsu to use in combination with Edo tensei like the exploding Edo tensei tags jutsu. Against hiruzen he used a water wave type jutsu compared to the short burst of pressurised water used against the god tree showing he is capable of summoning large bodies of water. So I hope you guys have taken note and hopefully I've changed your mind even a tiny bit if I have then it was worth you reading.

for you lazy guys

One of two guys who has ftg
Some of the best Water jutsu in manga
Some of the best reactions in manga
Incredibly intelligent and analytical
Edo tensei
Edo tensei battle tactics
This is more than enough to take on anyone and too much for some characters.

P.s no bashing, negative opinions, or generally being a d##k, if you have something to say explain and we can talk. Tobirama > your fave unless its madara or hashirama or juubito. You think he is not top 10 bring whoever you think is number 10 in your list and let's debate

Name me people that he can revive with edo tensei, must be fodders probably :|

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

So how did he catch juubito off guard if his ftg requires prep as you say? Also you think he won't have some edo tense I already prepped I mean he is the creator after all.

His FTG requires prep... He had to get close to Juubito in order to mark him. And you know what happened to him? He got decimated. If he wasn't edo he would have been dead.

Again Edos need prep and time to summon, by that time he has already been destroyed by any of the big moves the big boys have.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

V2 bee is very powerful yes but he is nowhere near fast enough as ftg and tobirama could easily outmanoeuvre him. If bee goes bm mode he is finished as tobirama can just use an Edo or two to blow him up using infinite tags jutsu.

Tobirama's FTG isn't like Minato's, he doesn't use Kunais. If he tries to mark V2 Bee he gets destroyed by Lariat.

 

[j1388686]

You people severely underestimate tobirama he is one of 2 people who who possess ftg which is an incredible jutsu. You say he lacks feats but he has proved himself more than enough and against the likes of juubito, the god tree and hiruzen. His ftg gives him the upper hand against most opponents due to the sheer speed of ftg. His reactions are some of the best in the manga, he is the best water style user or at least said to be, however kisame is very impressive in that field and is likely better. Even so his suiton is powerful, he was able to cut through the god tree with a pressurised water jutsu that cut through the tree effortlessly. His analytical skills are some of the best in the manga I would put him up there with itachi. He has Edo tensei and jutsu to use in combination with Edo tensei like the exploding Edo tensei tags jutsu. Against hiruzen he used a water wave type jutsu compared to the short burst of pressurised water used against the god tree showing he is capable of summoning large bodies of water. So I hope you guys have taken note and hopefully I've changed your mind even a tiny bit if I have then it was worth you reading.

for you lazy guys

One of two guys who has ftg
Some of the best Water jutsu in manga
Some of the best reactions in manga
Incredibly intelligent and analytical
Edo tensei
Edo tensei battle tactics
This is more than enough to take on anyone and too much for some characters.

P.s no bashing, negative opinions, or generally being a d##k, if you have something to say explain and we can talk. Tobirama > your fave unless its madara or hashirama or juubito. You think he is not top 10 bring whoever you think is number 10 in your list and let's debate

You'd put him "up there" with Itachi, yet don't mention him below?

While I agree on certain points that you've made, Tobirama is a very adept ninja.

 

[Draphsin]

He said he can get rid of TBB. V2 is what Tobirama cannot handle apparently. A kunai cut Killer B's tentacle, so Suidanha or a sword should do the trick. He is faster than B by quite a bit.

I'm giving the speed advantage to bee, his sword style pushed Itachi back & dealt with sasuke no problem. Uchiha can read movements & even they were having problems landing a hit.

He can't deal with bee's whirlwind/ink clones which can restrain tobirama long enough for bee to launch a tbb.

Also we don't know exactly how tobirama can get rid of a tbb, so it may require something that he doesnt have in a 1v1.

Bee in V2 is also incredibly fast, FTG would allow tobi to escape but if he doesnt have a mark placed then he gets a lariat.

V2 bee is very powerful yes but he is nowhere near fast enough as ftg and tobirama could easily outmanoeuvre him.

FTG helps tobi avoid bee, if tobi doesnt have any seals placed & bee decides to go V2 mode then tobirama can't avoid it.

The outmaneuvering would only be useful if he had multiple seals placed.

If bee goes bm mode he is finished as tobirama can just use an Edo or two to blow him up using infinite tags jutsu.

Tbbs are faster though.

 

[Penguin]

Name me people that he can revive with edo tensei, must be fodders probably :|

Fodders are all he needs for how he uses them.

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Those Juubi clones are as big as Bijuu.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Name me people that he can revive with edo tensei, must be fodders probably :|

Fodders are more than enough considering they can blow up come back and blow up again and again and again and serve as distractions and with a guy who is so smart with unkillable moving bombs you think he could not devise a steatergy to defeat an opponent.

His FTG requires prep... He had to get close to Juubito in order to mark him. And you know what happened to him? He got decimated. If he wasn't edo he would have been dead.

Again Edos need prep and time to summon, by that time he has already been destroyed by any of the big moves the big boys have.

My bad I could not quite recall how he managed to get the drop on juubito. Summoning Edo tensei takes barely any time.

 

[Penguin]

I'm giving the speed advantage to bee, his sword style pushed Itachi back & dealt with sasuke no problem. Uchiha can read movements & even they were having problems landing a hit.

The sharingan depends on prediction. Killer B's style is not predictable and that is why it was so effective. Drunken fist would also be something else the sharingan would have trouble predicting. Although it is a nasty CQC style, I think Tobirama would be able to handle himself considering he fought Izuna with a sword up until he did kill him, which means he matched a sword wielding shinobi [since birth] who had the 3T and later on the MS.

He can't deal with bee's whirlwind/ink clones which can restrain tobirama long enough for bee to launch a tbb.

I think Kage Bunshin can deal with ink clones, but whirlwind is a jutsu that would be real tough for Tobirama.

Also we don't know exactly how tobirama can get rid of a tbb, so it may require something that he doesnt have in a 1v1.

He was going to do it himself, so we can assume he can at least get rid of a TBB without hurting himself. Like he did with Obito's ball.

Bee in V2 is also incredibly fast, FTG would allow tobi to escape but if he doesnt have a mark placed then he gets a lariat.

Tobirama outran Hashirama who is as fast as Madara who blitz'd SM Naruto. I don't think Killer B is blitzing anyone.

 

[iNotorious]

Fodders are all he needs for how he uses them.

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Those Juubi clones are as big as Bijuu.

Fodders are more than enough considering they can blow up come back and blow up again and again and again and serve as distractions and with a guy who is so smart with unkillable moving bombs you think he could not devise a steatergy to defeat an opponent.

My bad I could not quite recall how he managed to get the drop on juubito. Summoning Edo tensei takes barely any time.

Yet you think the enemy wouldn't know any sealing techniques or he'll just stand right there :|?

 

[Penguin]

Yet you think the enemy wouldn't know any sealing techniques or he'll just stand right there :|?

I am not using that jutsu in a debate. I am just telling you it wouldn't make a difference if Tobirama had the Sage or a citizen as an edo. Each would be used as a Kamikaze.