Tobirama Vs Itachi

[Derek1st]

This is something that i've come across frequently. i've seen several people who say one or the other and i'm going to throw in my 2 cents.


Tobiramas greatest feat, is soloing Izuna. Izuna was madara's brother and it is a well established fact that they were near equals. More importantly, we know that uchiha brothers have the same mangekyou sharingan abilities.

Izuna, Madara, Itachi, and sasuke all have the big three abilities: Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, and susano'o.


We know that Madara has shown tsukyomi AND susano'o (and it is implied that he knows the amaterasu as well). We also know that madara has the greatest proficiency at these techniques tied with izuna. The reason why madara ended up with the ems and NOT izuna comes down to one thing: Tobirama had the will to kill his rival, hashirama didn't.

This leads me to believe that tobirama has a counter for tsukyomi and/or sharingan genjutsu.

Do you all remember when gai said that he learned how to face people by looking at their feet? we know that it is possible to avoid eye contact in a fight. Sure, gai practiced this because his rival was kakashi, well tobiramas rival was essentially all uchiha. He knows how to not get caught in their gaze. More importantly, he is a sensor. He can tell where people are etc.

More importantly, tobirama is not just a proficient shadow clone user, but the inventor of the clones. we know that tsukyomi can be deflected with a shadowclone. Also, tobirama CAN use more than just 2 of them. he just couldn't do it while maintaining the hokage barrier.

Tobirama also has the coveted ftg technique. HE also has the edo tensei (although i'd restrict him to using 1 or 2 fodders max). Bottom line, i think he has more than enough to get past itachi's 3 biggest techniques. Amaterasu is countered by speed. Tsukyomi is countered by intel/sensing/ clones. Susano'o is a hard one, but i'm not entirely convinced that itachi could maintain it for long. And tobirama could just use ftg to stay out of its range until itachi's chakra runs out.


I think that tobirama is born and raised as an uchiha slayer.

I don't fanboy any of these characters but i think tobirama takes this mid difficulty. Any questions?

 

[Touken]

Madara does not have Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.

Although, you have some other fairly good points.

 

[Derek1st]

Madara does not have Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.

Although, you have some other fairly good points.

He DOES have tsukyomi. he used it to show obito shit in his cave

 

[Touken]

He DOES have tsukyomi. he used it to show obito shit in his cave

Oh yeah, I remember. However, his Tsukuyomi and Itachi's can't be compared considering Itachi's Tsukuyomi is much more dangerous.

 

[Draphsin]

He DOES have tsukyomi. he used it to show obito shit in his cave

Lol that wasnt tsukuyomi. The eye wasnt even madara's & he only used a regular 3-T genjutsu.

Madara does not have tsukuyomi, neither does Izuna, neither does Sasuke.

 

[Touken]

Lol that wasnt tsukuyomi. The eye wasnt even madara's & he only used a regular 3-T genjutsu.

Madara does not have tsukuyomi, neither does Izuna, neither does Sasuke.

Sasuke does but his isn't on the level of Itachi's.

^ What Danzo said, not me.

 

[Avinash012]

I strongly belive that Tobirama is stronger than Itachi but based on feats Itachi takes this high dif.

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke does but his isn't on the level of Itachi's.

^ What Danzo said, not me.

Danzo was comparing sasuke's genjutsu to Itachi's tsukuyomi, he never called sasuke's genjutsu tsukuyomi. [

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[miromiro]

Itachi wins high difficulty.

 

[Touken]

Danzo was comparing sasuke's genjutsu to Itachi's tsukuyomi, he never called sasuke's genjutsu tsukuyomi. [

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Fair point, I thought Danzo was comparing his Tsukuyomi to Itachi's Tsukuyomi

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But he was just comparing their genjutsu prowess.

 

[Draphsin]

Fair point, I thought Danzo was comparing his Tsukuyomi to Itachi's Tsukuyomi

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But he was just comparing their genjutsu prowess.

Pretty much. & It really doesnt make sense for sasuke to possess tsukuyomi considering he already has three powers.

 

[Shura]

Sasuke does have Tsukuyomi.

@On-Topic. I disagree. Itachi wins.​

 

[Derek1st]

tell me how itachi wins

 

[Penguin]

It goes either way, and they are equals. But here are some feats for Tobirama. I will pretend he gets Edo tensei.

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Tobirama directly states that Minato has a better shunshin that he does, so that implies that the kage shunshin'd the whole way to the battlefield since they are edos and don't run out of stamina. Tobirama was also shown to be standing, whereas Hashirama was just getting up, and Hiruzen was still on the ground as seen

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. Now, since speed feats are valid in the A>B>C ways of logic, you can give Tobirama speed feats of Hashirama and Madara, since Hashirama is shown to be as fast as Madara.

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you can see a blinded base Madara blitzing SM Naruto, who has great reactions. He also blitz'd that fodder Sai in the same motion. Hashirama would have reacted to attack, but Madara's chakra rods really ****ed Hashirama up.

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is Hashirama jumping off falling rocks which is a good feat, whilst outrunning a perfect Susano'o armored Kyuubi.

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is Hashirama keeping pace with a TBB that the Kyuubi spat out. That should be enough to show you he out speeds Itachi, who has incredible speed.

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was enough to smash a hole in a wall. With the Senju being famous for their adeptness in genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu, whilst having that powerful of a chakra and possibly the greatest sensory feats so far, it should be clear any genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi will be ineffective on Tobirama.

Tobirama also stalemates Itachi in CQC in the worst case scenario.

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that Tobirama has used kenjutsu against the Uchiha since he was a little kid and it was his fighting style against them over and over. He

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the young Izuna Uchiha, but

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Tobirama prevailed. This shows that he can fight on par with at least MS users in CQC with kenjutsu.

We all know his water element cancels any water or fire Itachi sends his way. Not only that, but the feats Tobirama has shown in part one as a half assed edo should be powered up accordingly since he has more chakra to use in the jutsu. Look at Hashirama's mokuton and compare it to part one.

Now given that Itachi doesn't start off fights with MS active, Tobirama would have time to use Kage Bunshin before Itachi tried using his one shot KO moves. This is a theory, but I think Tobirama invented Kage Bunshin to throw off the Uchiha, since the chakra is evenly distributed and the Uchiha can only see chakra. This makes it very hard to one shot someone who is similar in every way to his Kage Bunshin. Tobirama will be able to sense the build up of chakra in the Uchiha's eyes considering he was the only one

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. If he can sense such a small chakra like the 3T, he can surely sense Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi's build up. Let it be mentioned that he has also seen

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in his life. It was most likely Izuna who used it.

Regarding Susano'o, Tobirama will need to summon at least one edo tensei fodder. After he has done that, he has a good chance of stalling for victory. The edo tensei fodder will bombard Itachi with

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. Do you see those mini Juubi that Gojō Kibaku Fuda has dwarfed? Those are bijuu sized Juubi clones. They were as big as Aoda, Katsuya, or Gamakichi. To prevent himself from dying, which is debatable on whether Itachi can tank this in Susano'o, he would need the full Susano'o and Yata mirror. As he is tanking the explosion, Tobirama can create Kage Bunshin and mark them with the Hiraishin seal and have them split up, marking everything they can with a Hiraishin mark. This means Tobirama would have more than one place to FTG to in case of a Totsuka blitz from Itachi.

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I think they are evenly matched.

 

[Flawž]

Tobirama takes alive itachi high diff.

Tobirama is equally as perceptive or even greater than itachi in battle. He can exploit him rather quickly and counter everything he throws at him with ease with his wide range of jutsu.

FTG:

All tobirama has to do is mark either itachi or a location by and that pretty much guarantees him the ability to dodge/evade anything itachi throws at him.

Susano'o:

susano'o is a non factor because as soon as itachi pulls it out, he dies in 3 minutes. Tobirama can evade it with ease with FTG.

Genjutsu:

Genjutsu is a rather tricky subject with itachi but Tobirama is a trained uchiha fighter. Hes been fighting them his entire life so he knows how to evade low - mid level genjutsu no problem. Tsukuyomi is the problem here, but can easily be countered With constant FTG spam, Kage Bunshin who most likely could use FTG as well since minato's are able to and Tobirama happened to invent the technique and lastely, His edo tensei could be used for distractions in order to land a fatal attack on itachi.

Alive itachi's stamina is very low, Keeping up with Tobirama who happens to be one of the highest caliber Senju would be impossible. Tobirama knows about uchiha's and their genjutsu and will know not to look into their eyes. He can exploit his clones, FTG and Edo tensei in order to distract itachi to give him a fatal blow.

7/10 tobirama takes it imo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi would win regardless of Edo Tensei.

 

[Penguin]

Itachi would win regardless of Edo Tensei.

Post an argument boi. But don't one post me. <_<