Misconception: Itachi and Jiraiya are not equals

[Unbiased]

That is complete bs, naruto wouldn't be able to unleash kurama to the point where he would wreck Kiz and Itachi. Itachi isn't stupid enough to actually think that bro. And that translation is nothing like that in the Japanese manga, in the original context of the manga they were talking about Jiraiya and only pointed out Naruto with that sentence you just posted about Kizame and itachi finding Naruto in the ramen shop. We should blame the translators for that.

The page I demonstrated was the Viz Translation. Even when analyzing the Narutobase translation and the Viz translation the results are the same. Naruto on his own accord has never been able to unleash Kurama's power like that. However in the Pain vs Naruto fight the kyuubi took over and went all the way up to nine tails. He broke loose and even overwhelmed pain in his 8/9 tailed form. This thread wasn't created to make naruto seem superior to Kisame and Itachi but to demonstrate that Kurama is what they fear not the kid.

 

[HNIC]

What hell? Wasn't this thread made earlier? Why make another thread and why are postingthe same claims

 

[Sir Blades]

Itachi wasn't being serious anyway. Later on in the series he caught Naruto in Dusk Crow Genjutsu for extended moments without Naruto even realizing and could have finished him off. ​

Thank you, you just prove my point that Itachi was in no way scared of Naruto or Kurama. I would be moronic to think that they were both scared of him and that's why they left.

 

[Ryanel]

The thing is with this passage is that the translation is misleading. They are talking about Jman people get confused when kisame says "It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop...But his babysitter is one of the three great shinobi of kanoha legend.' they were happy they found naruto, but at the same time Jman was the person who he was with with meant they can not just take him at the time with out a hard fight

 

[Sir Blades]

The page I demonstrated was the Viz Translation. Even when analyzing the Narutobase translation and the Viz translation the results are the same. Naruto on his own accord has never been able to unleash Kurama's power like that. However in the Pain vs Naruto fight the kyuubi took over and went all the way up to nine tails. He broke loose and even overwhelmed pain in his 8/9 tailed form. This thread wasn't created to make naruto seem superior to Kisame and Itachi but to demonstrate that Kurama is what they fear not the kid.

He could have still taken on kurama, with itachi's genjutsu, he would have bought time. I was speaking about the original Japanese manga page. Not the viz translation. But i appreciate you taking your time to response to my posts.

 

[The Sach]

Itachi wasn't serious and was a spy so naturally he wanted to avoid fight against Sannin, it is as clear as day, I don't know why people don't understand this simple thing:yeah:
On your scan, no Itachi was talking about Jiraiya as same thing was discussed before.

 

[-Spoiler-]

The only problem with that argument is that Itachi stated only someone with my blood can defeat me when fighting against Kakashi.



The first time they mention Jiraiya in that passage is when they refer to him being the baby sitter of Naruto+Kurama. Meaning the previous text has been mentioning Naruto + Kurama. Although they aren't afraid of Naruto himself but the fox inside.

So kurama is one of the three legendary ninja's now? He was referring to jiraiya not kurama

 

[Dark Matter Thief]

Honestly, I think Itachi and Kisame could have defeated Jiraiya. It's more like Itachi just didn't want to risk harming him and the shinobi that were bound to join in. After all, Itachi cared about his former leaf comrades.

 

[The Necromancer]

The "his" doesn't exist in the Japanese language. Its where the traduction problem appear. This has been already been discussed plenty of times and the general consensus states he was talking about Jiraya.

Besides this you also forget other parallels

- Itachi despite Kisame as back up decides to avoid Jiraya while taking care of Naruto alone. This way of thinking alone should have showed you that the one he was fearing was Jiraya, not Naruto/Kyubi

- Jiraya just used one move and he almost captured both Kisame and Itachi, said Itachi who was forced to flee away using his strongest offensive close range jutsu to escape and take a rest

- Jiraya and Itachi have the same amount of stats in the data book(author hint)

- Kishi creates an arc for them dying at the same time

- Jiraya possess SM(only sannin who managed) when Itachi possess MS and both have been portrayed as counter parts(Madara-Hashirama, Naruti-Sasuke, Kabuto-Sasuke/Itachi), so Itachi and Jiraya as well

- Both are still hyped even beyond death with Jubito even stating Jiraya defeated him(non objective but still).

- The strongest in Akatsuki stated he would have died if he knew his secret when the real leader stated something similar
Its clear for me that Kishi always wanted them to be equal at the very least

Too bad Jiraiya can't use SM instantly while Itachi can us MS any time he wants. That's the difference. And the fact remains that Jiraiya cannot spot a genjutsu that isn't obvious. Being a high ranking shinobi doesn't give you auto-feats.

SM Jiraiya >/= MS Itachi, but
Base Jiraiya < MS Itachi

As I stated earlier. I don't see anyone without an automatic, instant, passive counter to Genjutsu doing any better against Itachi than Deidara and Orochimaru did.

 

[Unbiased]

He could have still taken on kurama, with itachi's genjutsu, he would have bought time. I was speaking about the original Japanese manga page. Not the viz translation. But i appreciate you taking your time to response to my posts.

Yeah Itachi could of easily controlled Kurama. Obviously having Jiraiya there would of made it an impossible situation to handle. Bogard stated in the original manga they were referring to Jiraiya so I'll have to check it out. Bogard has always been pretty consistent.

 

[iKaras]

Why would Itachi seriously take out J-man?

-Double agent...

-He's on Konoha's side and he would avoid delivering a blow to the village at all cost.

-And if he and Kisame took out J-man, Itachi wouldn't have a excuse to sell to Kisame to avoid capture...let alone to Nagato/Obito.

 

[The Sach]

The "his" doesn't exist in the Japanese language. Its where the traduction problem appear. This has been already been discussed plenty of times and the general consensus states he was talking about Jiraya.

Besides this you also forget other parallels

- Itachi despite Kisame as back up decides to avoid Jiraya while taking care of Naruto alone. This way of thinking alone should have showed you that the one he was fearing was Jiraya, not Naruto/Kyubi

- Jiraya just used one move and he almost captured both Kisame and Itachi, said Itachi who was forced to flee away using his strongest offensive close range jutsu to escape and take a rest

- Jiraya and Itachi have the same amount of stats in the data book(author hint)

- Kishi creates an arc for them dying at the same time

- Jiraya possess SM(only sannin who managed) when Itachi possess MS and both have been portrayed as counter parts(Madara-Hashirama, Naruti-Sasuke, Kabuto-Sasuke/Itachi), so Itachi and Jiraya as well

- Both are still hyped even beyond death with Jubito even stating Jiraya defeated him(non objective but still).

- The strongest in Akatsuki stated he would have died if he knew his secret when the real leader stated something similar
Its clear for me that Kishi always wanted them to be equal at the very least

Parallels make characters equal?? There are parallels between Madara and Sasuke does that mean, Sasuke=Madara??
Btw from your logic Minato=Itachi, and there are even more number of parallels.
1) He wasn't fearing of Jiraiya but never wanted to pick up an unnecessary fight.
2) Same data book states that Yata can block every attack, do I need to start??
3) Itachi MS has more number of feats than Jiraiya SM.
4) Jiraiya can't defeat Juubito.
5) It was just a praise made by a student for his former teacher. I don't know why it is given that much value when we all know that Pain defeated Jiraiya with mid diff, without using CT or gedo mazo.

 

[Ovan]

Hmm. That scan throws me off to tell the truth. Maybe a translation thing. It's been a while since I seen part two but I remember Kisame saying something about chopping Naruto's legs off so he can't run. Threating him in a way. I don't see how Naruto placed fear into Kisame if he is talking like a boss. Now when it came time for J-Man to show up. Those two ran like Pikachu doing quick attack.