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Update: Added more information and Scans to the end of the Senjutsu Chapter, making for a better conclusion of the section.
Just something I came up with in regards to Nature Type's and Why Senjutsu beats Onmyoudon.
This is something I wanted to add to the Thread but didnt for the sake of understandability. I thought that adding the fact of a Psuedo Onmyoudon and a Complete Onmyoudon would muddy an already long thread.
But it is true that at the start Obito was using only 4 Elements like Hiruzen hypothesis'ed. It was only after he began taking the Kage seriously that he started using Onmyoudon in order to cancel out there regenerating.
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Just something I came up with in regards to Nature Type's and Why Senjutsu beats Onmyoudon.
Nature Type's Explained
What most people know about Onmyoudon is that it negates Ninjutsu:
But the thing people dont venture to ask is why... Which is a really good question. Now when we look at what we know of other jutsu is:
Two Jutsu's of the same element will cancel each other out. So this speaks volumes towards Jutsu being able to cancel other Jutsu out, but to add to that.
Certain Nature types are better at canceling out others. For instance Water Jutsu's can cancel out another Water Jutsu but a Water Jutsu will also cancel out a Fire Jutsu's. One thing that is very important to note is that if one was to use a Water Jutsu against an Earth Jutsu then the earth Jutsu would cancel out the Water Jutsu, but if one used a Water Jutsu against a Wind Jutsu what would happen? Each Jutsu wouldnt cancel each other out in the same sense, they may destroy each other but remnants of each Jutsu would remain. While Water used against Fire would remove the Fire entirely and Water used against Earth would remove the Water Jutsu entirely (Leaving Mud which is another form of Earth). So it is important to recognize that not all Nature Types cancel each other out, only when a Stronger Nature type is used against a Weaker one.
But to take this one step further 2 mixed nature types can overcome a said disadvantage requiring one to react with another mixed Jutsu in order to compete. Let us use Kakuza for example:
In order to cancel out Kakuza's Fire + Wind Jutsu Yamato and Naruto canceled it out with a Water + Wind Jutsu. Although Water cancels out Fire, Water does not cancel out Fire + Wind. Note that Water isnt weak against Wind, it is only weak against Earth but merely the fact of combining the 2 Elements results in the Water needing to be combined with another element to maintain its advantage over the Fire Element.
So the pattern we see here is that not only do like Nature Types cancel each other out but jutsu of a stronger Nature type cancel out jutsu of a weaker Nature type.
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But the thing people dont venture to ask is why... Which is a really good question. Now when we look at what we know of other jutsu is:
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Two Jutsu's of the same element will cancel each other out. So this speaks volumes towards Jutsu being able to cancel other Jutsu out, but to add to that.
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Certain Nature types are better at canceling out others. For instance Water Jutsu's can cancel out another Water Jutsu but a Water Jutsu will also cancel out a Fire Jutsu's. One thing that is very important to note is that if one was to use a Water Jutsu against an Earth Jutsu then the earth Jutsu would cancel out the Water Jutsu, but if one used a Water Jutsu against a Wind Jutsu what would happen? Each Jutsu wouldnt cancel each other out in the same sense, they may destroy each other but remnants of each Jutsu would remain. While Water used against Fire would remove the Fire entirely and Water used against Earth would remove the Water Jutsu entirely (Leaving Mud which is another form of Earth). So it is important to recognize that not all Nature Types cancel each other out, only when a Stronger Nature type is used against a Weaker one.
But to take this one step further 2 mixed nature types can overcome a said disadvantage requiring one to react with another mixed Jutsu in order to compete. Let us use Kakuza for example:
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In order to cancel out Kakuza's Fire + Wind Jutsu Yamato and Naruto canceled it out with a Water + Wind Jutsu. Although Water cancels out Fire, Water does not cancel out Fire + Wind. Note that Water isnt weak against Wind, it is only weak against Earth but merely the fact of combining the 2 Elements results in the Water needing to be combined with another element to maintain its advantage over the Fire Element.
So the pattern we see here is that not only do like Nature Types cancel each other out but jutsu of a stronger Nature type cancel out jutsu of a weaker Nature type.
Chart:
Stronger Nature Type > Weaker Nature Type
Mixed Weaker Nature Type > Stronger Nature Type
Mixed Stronger Nature Type > Mixed Weaker Nature Type
Stronger Nature Type > Weaker Nature Type
Mixed Weaker Nature Type > Stronger Nature Type
Mixed Stronger Nature Type > Mixed Weaker Nature Type
Onmyoudon Explained
Now that we know how Nature Types work I want to explain what I believe Onmyoudon to be... First I will give an except from Wikipedia regarding the Religious Belief of the Shinto Onmyoudon.
The bolded parts are the main things I want you to understand. The Pseudo Religious belief of Onmyodo (Onmyoudon) is based on the principles of Yin, Yang and the 5 Elements... Sound familiar?
I believe that Hiruzen was only slightly correct in his analysis of the Orbs:
I believe that Onmyoudon incorporates all 5 of the Nature Types including: Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Lightning. This is what gives it is innate ability to cancel out all Jutsu as well as its incredible offensive capabilities.
So with that there is only 1 Question Left...
The bolded parts are the main things I want you to understand. The Pseudo Religious belief of Onmyodo (Onmyoudon) is based on the principles of Yin, Yang and the 5 Elements... Sound familiar?
I believe that Hiruzen was only slightly correct in his analysis of the Orbs:
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I believe that Onmyoudon incorporates all 5 of the Nature Types including: Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Lightning. This is what gives it is innate ability to cancel out all Jutsu as well as its incredible offensive capabilities.
So with that there is only 1 Question Left...
Senjutsu
Why doesnt Onmyoudon work against Senjutsu? Well I think to answer that Question we need to understand it a bit more. What do we mean by "Work."
For example lets look at the Mizhame Teppou used by Gamakichi against Obito's Onmyoudon:
Was the Senjutsu effective against Obito? Ofcourse not, he didnt have a scratch on him. But did it work as far as not being cancelled out by other Jutsu. The reason for this is because Senjutsu's is a higher form of Jutsu. Senjutsu is formed from Yin, Yang and Nature Energy, and thus is a higher form of Ninjutsu which is composed of only Yin and Yang Chakra.
Onmyoudon makes up for the lack of potency by having a mixture of different Nature Types, which allows it to compete against Senjutsu which is regularly stronger than it. Much like Kakuza's Fire + Wind can now compete against Water Release even though Water Release is stronger than it.
Although Senjutsu is innately stronger than Onmyoudon, ergo it doesnt get canceled out by it, we will only see it at its strongest when combined with Multiple forms of attack:
For example lets look at the Mizhame Teppou used by Gamakichi against Obito's Onmyoudon:
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Was the Senjutsu effective against Obito? Ofcourse not, he didnt have a scratch on him. But did it work as far as not being cancelled out by other Jutsu. The reason for this is because Senjutsu's is a higher form of Jutsu. Senjutsu is formed from Yin, Yang and Nature Energy, and thus is a higher form of Ninjutsu which is composed of only Yin and Yang Chakra.
Onmyoudon makes up for the lack of potency by having a mixture of different Nature Types, which allows it to compete against Senjutsu which is regularly stronger than it. Much like Kakuza's Fire + Wind can now compete against Water Release even though Water Release is stronger than it.
Although Senjutsu is innately stronger than Onmyoudon, ergo it doesnt get canceled out by it, we will only see it at its strongest when combined with Multiple forms of attack:
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Conclusion
Senjutsu beats Onmyoudon because it is a Higher Form of Jutsu as explained by the Chart.
UPDATE# 1
This is something I wanted to add to the Thread but didnt for the sake of understandability. I thought that adding the fact of a Psuedo Onmyoudon and a Complete Onmyoudon would muddy an already long thread.
But it is true that at the start Obito was using only 4 Elements like Hiruzen hypothesis'ed. It was only after he began taking the Kage seriously that he started using Onmyoudon in order to cancel out there regenerating.
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