Tobirama vs Mnato

[Ababeel]

Well, he has reason to. He has knowledge of Tobirama's explosion tags.
but anyway, he can take Tobirama's control over the ET away with his contract seal.

 

[Touken]

Well, he has reason to. He has knowledge of Tobirama's explosion tags.
but anyway, he can take Tobirama's control over the ET away with his contract seal.

Factor in the location; he's in a small area. Plus, if he FTGs that far away from Tobirama then Tobirama wins via BFR.
He has to physically touch his Edo which'd be a really bad move.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

I think it goes either way to be honest. Minato had the better foot speed, but Tobirama isn't by any means slow.

Obviously, whoever gets tagged first loses. Either way extreme diff.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Minato mid diff.
Minato's better tobirama's entire arsenal. All tobirama has at this point is dodgeable exploding edos.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Well, he has reason to. He has knowledge of Tobirama's explosion tags.
but anyway, he can take Tobirama's control over the ET away with his contract seal.

For that he'd have to touch Tobirama - who can simply reinsert his control, plus Tobirama is hardly going to allow him to do that.

 

[KidGamer65]

As the explosions are infinite Minato would essentially have to stand there until he runs out if chakra. I suppose if he used a Kage Bushin instead it'd be more plausible.

:|

They aren't infinite. Otherwise they wouldn't have stopped when Tobirama used them.

A bit of an exaggeration but that explosion made the Juubi clone look tiny. Gamakichi looked bigger because he was closer to the point of view Kishi makes us look at the manga from. But anyway,

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Here's another showing their size:

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They all have different size ranges, so that isn't going to help you. You are going to need to show that the one that was dwarfed by the explosion is near Gamakichi in size. There are

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Juubi clones as well.

Hiruzen had 2 pages to get away because Tobirama was talking and using the technique on his own body which obviously takes longer, but you've already said that Minato's faster so this shouldn't be a problem for him. You've also said there'd be no point having 2 exploding Edos in the same area, so why would Tobirama do that? Once Tobirama has had 1 Edo explode, the marked kunai are in the Edo's blast radius so using FTG would be out of the question, so Minato will have to resort to Shunshin. Tobirama can either then intercept Minato while he's using Shunshin to get away or he can have the other Edo explode in the direction Minato is moving in. Minato can possibly evade that too, but he'll be very limited in the directions he can go, because even though the Edo explode in only one direction they still cover a very large area. Tobirama can then intercept Minato easily if not, it becomes a 1v1 where Minato has no more kunai to utilize as he

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and I'm fairly certain Tobirama can beat him if Minato doesn't have the kunai advantage.

Why would Tobirama using it with his own body take longer? Its the same exact process. Making the special paper tags from the Edo's body, and then they multiply and explode. So there would literally be no difference in set up time. Tobirama was talking and using the technique while he was talking, so that point is irrelevant as well.

Tobirama isn't going to catch up to Minato considering Minato is faster than he is, and he can use his Kunai to get farther ahead with Hiraishin.

lol, why don't you go back a page and see that Minato has a bag full of Kunai, I hope you aren't assuming he'd throw them all away in the blast radius of Gojo Kibakufuda while only keeping one for himself..cause that definitely isn't happening. That's a laughable scenario. So Minato, who has full intel on Gojo is going to throw every single one of his Kunai into a small area, despite knowing that they'll all be in the blast radius? lmfao....

If it becomes a 1 on 1 where Minato has Kunai, the one at the disadvantage is Tobirama, not Minato. Even with one Kunai, he can still use it to teleport circles around this guy, his only hope of survival is to teleport back to where his Edos are after the explosion.

Minato definitely wins this.

Fair point but that only covers one explosion.

With a clone it can cover both.

 

[Touken]

They all have different size ranges, so that isn't going to help you. You are going to need to show that the one that was dwarfed by the explosion is near Gamakichi in size. There are

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Juubi clones as well.

They all grew to that size. I'm pretty sure these two scans cover it -

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That 2nd scan shows there are no more human sized Juubi clones.

Why would Tobirama using it with his own body take longer? Its the same exact process. Making the special paper tags from the Edo's body, and then they multiply and explode. So there would literally be no difference in set up time. Tobirama was talking and using the technique while he was talking, so that point is irrelevant as well.

Ah, fair point, I got a little mixed up and thought he had delayed setting up the technique to warn Hiruzen to get away. Tbh, the setup of this technique doesn't take long at all considering all the Edo has to do is thrust his hand into himself. Something the Edo can do while running. The Edo's explosion is probably two times bigger as well since when Tobirama had used it, he only had half his body at his disposal.

Tobirama isn't going to catch up to Minato considering Minato is faster than he is, and he can use his Kunai to get farther ahead with Hiraishin.

Because Minato will be seriously limited in the direction he can go to evade the technique, Tobirama can easily anticipate where he'll go given the small area they're fighting in (@ location).

lol, why don't you go back a page and see that Minato has a bag full of Kunai, I hope you aren't assuming he'd throw them all away in the blast radius of Gojo Kibakufuda while only keeping one for himself..cause that definitely isn't happening. That's a laughable scenario. So Minato, who has full intel on Gojo is going to throw every single one of his Kunai into a small area, despite knowing that they'll all be in the blast radius? lmfao....

Because if he doesn't use all of his kunai, he'll be at a disadvantage as the places he can teleport to will be limited. With limited kunai to teleport to, I'm pretty sure Tobirama can beat him as:
- He can easily place clones where the few kunai are marked
- The explosion only goes in one direction and so he has fewer options to teleport to, easily allowing Tobirama to preemptively move to the marked kunai and kill Minato
- It'll be harder for him to quickly finish Tobirama and the longer it takes for Minato, the more seals Tobirama can manually place thus giving Tobirama the advantage as you can only see the seals when you're really close to them, and Minato won't be focusing on the ground which'll give Tobirama the surprise advantage. If Minato steps on a seal then Tobirama kills him with a katana strike

If it becomes a 1 on 1 where Minato has Kunai, the one at the disadvantage is Tobirama, not Minato. Even with one Kunai, he can still use it to teleport circles around this guy, his only hope of survival is to teleport back to where his Edos are after the explosion.

One kunai for defense isn't going to do much at all against Tobirama's Suiton/FTG. If Tobirama uses Suiton, then Minato becomes indirectly linked to Tobirama's chakra, which'll allow Tobirama to teleport Minato to wherever he wants to. If Tobirama places a seal on himself, he can teleport Minato to himself and if Tobirama has a seal on the Edo, he can teleport him straight into Gojou Kibakufdua.

With a clone it can cover both.

Only if he's near the explosion, if not, then Minato won't be able to use S/T Barrier to defend against the entire explosion given the size of it. It'll be like him trying to use S/T Barrier to defend against Choujou Kebutsu.

 

[Optimistic]

KidGamer, do you want me to 1 sentence this Tobirama fan for you? I feel like showing this guy a portion of my power.

 

[Touken]

KidGamer, do you want me to 1 sentence this Tobirama fan for you? I feel like showing this guy a portion of my power.

Gopher it. My body's definitely ready.

 

[Red Slayer]

lol, Minato clearly wins this.

this^^^^^^

 

[Optimistic]

Gopher it. My body's definitely ready.

i ain't feeling the vibe, count yourself lucky Touken-San.

 

[Touken]

i ain't feeling the vibe, count yourself lucky Touken-San.

I'm truly grateful bro.

 

[Penguin]

It goes either way. Whoever tags who first. It should be clear Tobirama has more chakra than base Minato, and thus would be able to create more Kage Bunshin than the latter. The extra clones cut any summons in half via Suidanha. Edo Tobirama and edo KCM Minato have relatively the same reactions shown via

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. Mind you, that is an upgraded version of Minato due to KCM enhancements, so base Tobirama [alive] should have superior reactions than Minato [alive].

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Tobirama is by no means slow, even though his shunshin is not as fast as base Minato's. This does not mean his FTG is slower, to whoever said that. Tobirama said that FTG with Kage Bunshin made it slow.

Either can win with extreme diff, but I would give the edge to Tobirama due to having an element, and edo tensei. Space/Time barrier can only work on projectiles by the way, and Gojō Kibaku Fuda is not a projectile, but an explosion. The shockwaves would hurt him as well as the

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@KG look at the difference in shape between the two Juubi clone variants. The human sized ones have bladed hands and other weird traits whereas the bigger ones look the same.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

:|

They aren't infinite. Otherwise they wouldn't have stopped when Tobirama used them.

Son I hope you didn't just " :| " me. The reason they ran out was because Obito used his Dust Release styled move to destroy them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Son I hope you didn't just " :| " me. The reason they ran out was because Obito used his Dust Release styled move to destroy them.

The explosive tags multiply and then explode over and over again, so this process would be taking place wherever the explosions are last seen, which would be outside the center of the explosion where Obito is. He can only get to the ones near his own body, not the ones that have multiplied past that point. So I'm pretty sure they just stopped.

I highly doubt for many reasons that they are literally infinite explosions.

It goes either way. Whoever tags who first. It should be clear Tobirama has more chakra than base Minato, and thus would be able to create more Kage Bunshin than the latter. The extra clones cut any summons in half via Suidanha. Edo Tobirama and edo KCM Minato have relatively the same reactions shown via

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. Mind you, that is an upgraded version of Minato due to KCM enhancements, so base Tobirama [alive] should have superior reactions than Minato [alive].

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Nothing you showed here tells us why Tobirama's reactions are above Minato's when he's alive.

1. KCM doesn't increase reaction time, it only increases Shunshin and running speed. So KCM Minato=Alive Minato in reaction time.

2. Goshun Mawashi doesn't show that they have the same reaction time as they used it at the same time on purpose, otherwise the tech wouldn't work.

3. Minato reaching for that ball and Tobirama getting to it first doesn't mean Tobirama's reactions are superior to Minato's. That doesn't even have anything to do with speed.

Either can win with extreme diff, but I would give the edge to Tobirama due to having an element, and edo tensei. Space/Time barrier can only work on projectiles by the way, and Gojō Kibaku Fuda is not a projectile, but an explosion. The shockwaves would hurt him as well as the

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I guess you have a point here.

@KG look at the difference in shape between the two Juubi clone variants. The human sized ones have bladed hands and other weird traits whereas the bigger ones look the same.

Yeah, I see that they got bigger now due to Touken's post.

They all grew to that size. I'm pretty sure these two scans cover it -

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That 2nd scan shows there are no more human sized Juubi clones.

Ok, I concede this point.

Ah, fair point, I got a little mixed up and thought he had delayed setting up the technique to warn Hiruzen to get away. Tbh, the setup of this technique doesn't take long at all considering all the Edo has to do is thrust his hand into himself. Something the Edo can do while running. The Edo's explosion is probably two times bigger as well since when Tobirama had used it, he only had half his body at his disposal.

Even if it can do it while running, what's the point? A fodder Edo is just going to be left in the dust by Minato.

Uh, no. Tobirama only had half his body, but that is irrelevant as he isn't using the whole of his body or even most of his body to make the paper tags, he's only using a portion of it. So it won't be any bigger.

Because Minato will be seriously limited in the direction he can go to evade the technique, Tobirama can easily anticipate where he'll go given the small area they're fighting in (@ location).

Minato vs Obito was in an outdoor location, as long as they are in that immediate location, BFR isn't an issue, that being said, since they are outdoors, naturally he can move in pretty much every single direction available, so Tobirama isn't going to be able to anticipate where he'll go. There are no serious limitations.

Because if he doesn't use all of his kunai, he'll be at a disadvantage as the places he can teleport to will be limited.

He tossed over 10 Kunai, he doesn't need to mark 10 places to evade Tobirama's attacks. Its not like he can only teleport to those areas once. The most he'd need is 5 Kunai in five different areas of the battlefield. Why don't you explain to me how he needs to toss every single Kunai in his pack when tossing a smaller amount will lead to the same result...him evading Tobirama's attack every, single time.

With limited kunai to teleport to, I'm pretty sure Tobirama can beat him as:
- He can easily place clones where the few kunai are marked

lol, that's asking for trouble. If he places clones where the Kunai are marked then Minato simply teleports to the Kunai and blitz kills his clones just like how

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n. This strategy doesn't help at all.

- The explosion only goes in one direction and so he has fewer options to teleport to, easily allowing Tobirama to preemptively move to the marked kunai and kill Minato

It going in one direction simply leaves 1 out of many directions in a 360 degree angle since every direction is available to them as they are outside. Standing by at a Kunai only leads to Minato killing him or his clone as explained above.

- It'll be harder for him to quickly finish Tobirama and the longer it takes for Minato, the more seals Tobirama can manually place thus giving Tobirama the advantage as you can only see the seals when you're really close to them, and Minato won't be focusing on the ground which'll give Tobirama the surprise advantage. If Minato steps on a seal then Tobirama kills him with a katana strike

No, it won't. If he enters a one on one with Tobirama where he has Kunai, then Tobirama isn't going to place anything on the ground let alone markers. How is Minato not going to see them? A black marking on the green grass is going to stand out...not to mention he'll see Tobirama bending down to set them since he needs his hand to do that.

Minato would simply toss

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at him like so and then attempt to blitz kill him. Tobirama can't escape as his only Hiraishin points are his exploding Edos.....and teleporting back there means death. Though if he's already made a clone, which is likely, then he can evade it, but then Minato would simply kill his clones.

One kunai for defense isn't going to do much at all against Tobirama's Suiton/FTG. If Tobirama uses Suiton, then Minato becomes indirectly linked to Tobirama's chakra, which'll allow Tobirama to teleport Minato to wherever he wants to. If Tobirama places a seal on himself, he can teleport Minato to himself and if Tobirama has a seal on the Edo, he can teleport him straight into Gojou Kibakufdua.

lol, no. Every time someone has been teleported with a chakra link, its been through a direct link. Suiton on his target doesn't offer a direct link so that's not how it works.

-Naruto

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Minato...direct link.

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. The link being there is proven by the fact that Naruto

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, so its not the same as the Suiton.


Suiton and Hiraishin being used in conjunction is nothing but speculation, incorrect speculation.

Only if he's near the explosion, if not, then Minato won't be able to use S/T Barrier to defend against the entire explosion given the size of it. It'll be like him trying to use S/T Barrier to defend against Choujou Kebutsu.

Yeah, S/T Barrier would be used only if he can't get away.

 

[Touken]

Even if it can do it while running, what's the point? A fodder Edo is just going to be left in the dust by Minato.

Adds mobility in case Minato tries to move in a different direction.

Uh, no. Tobirama only had half his body, but that is irrelevant as he isn't using the whole of his body or even most of his body to make the paper tags, he's only using a portion of it. So it won't be any bigger.

Fair point.

Minato vs Obito was in an outdoor location, as long as they are in that immediate location, BFR isn't an issue, that being said, since they are outdoors, naturally he can move in pretty much every single direction available, so Tobirama isn't going to be able to anticipate where he'll go. There are no serious limitations.

Isn't exactly possible when you have 2 Edo exploding which cover massive areas. He can't outpace the explosion given the size of it.

He tossed over 10 Kunai, he doesn't need to mark 10 places to evade Tobirama's attacks. Its not like he can only teleport to those areas once. The most he'd need is 5 Kunai in five different areas of the battlefield. Why don't you explain to me how he needs to toss every single Kunai in his pack when tossing a smaller amount will lead to the same result...him evading Tobirama's attack every, single time.

When he spreads his kunai, they're all mainly close to each other, probably due to the fact he spreads them all at the same time. He doesn't have the time to spread an individual kunai to 5 different areas, not when he has 2 time bombs running at him and Tobirama.

lol, that's asking for trouble. If he places clones where the Kunai are marked then Minato simply teleports to the Kunai and blitz kills his clones just like how

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n. This strategy doesn't help at all.

Ah, forgot to mention that these clones can set markings where his marked kunai are, and so if Minato teleports to the marked kunai later on, Tobirama blitzes him.

It going in one direction simply leaves 1 out of many directions in a 360 degree angle since every direction is available to them as they are outside. Standing by at a Kunai only leads to Minato killing him or his clone as explained above.

1 direction that covers so many angles due to it being a large attack. Not unless he keeps his sword right above the kunai and so Minato teleports right into it.

No, it won't. If he enters a one on one with Tobirama where he has Kunai, then Tobirama isn't going to place anything on the ground let alone markers. How is Minato not going to see them? A black marking on the green grass is going to stand out...not to mention he'll see Tobirama bending down to set them since he needs his hand to do that.

Tobirama seamlessly marks people/ground, such as him marking Juubito and

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. He wouldn't make marking a place so obvious, he isn't stupid enough to do that. And yet Minato left a seal on Bee and only the shinobi who was right next to him noticed the seal. The seals are tiny.

Minato would simply toss

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at him like so and then attempt to blitz kill him. Tobirama can't escape as his only Hiraishin points are his exploding Edos.....and teleporting back there means death. Though if he's already made a clone, which is likely, then he can evade it, but then Minato would simply kill his clones.

And Tobirama can easily cancel those tossed kunai coming straight at him with a Suiton Wall or by using shuriken/kunai. Those clones he made can spread markings around the battlefield, I'm pretty sure he can make more than just one clone given his Senju lineage and his stamina feat of fighting Madara for an entire day.

lol, no. Every time someone has been teleported with a chakra link, its been through a direct link. Suiton on his target doesn't offer a direct link so that's not how it works.

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Minato...direct link.

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. The link being there is proven by the fact that Naruto

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, so its not the same as the Suiton.


Suiton and Hiraishin being used in conjunction is nothing but speculation, incorrect speculation.

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even though he's only touching Enma. I remember Minato teleporting Kurama while he was standing on top of Bunta, but only Bunta was in physical contact with Kurama.

Yeah, S/T Barrier would be used only if he can't get away.

Requires him to be stationary and perform hand seals, and then waiting to suck in the entire explosion, allowing Tobirama kill him with a ranged Suiton attack or clones.

 

[Bogard]

Using one clone cut your chairs in half. With 2 it cuts it in 3. With 3 it cuts it in 4 and so on. Because of this even if A had 2times the chakra B has, and that during a fight, he were to make 2clones, with a chakra disperced in 3, he would end up running out of chairs faster than B. Just to say that while Tobirama may have more chakra than Minato, the clone strategy in a battle may not be that great if it were used to waste especially if Tobirama combines it with other techniques. In the end he would be wasting chakra uselessly. I am also not that personally sure Tobirama possess that great of a chakra. The first reason being that he doesn't possess sage mode. I am pretty sure that for a genius like him creating techniques it should not have been that difficult for him to learn it especially when you know his stupid brother managed to. And its a useful art. He lived during 50years or so and its hard for me to believe that during those 50years he never tried to learn it when his brother did decades before. The sole reason that come to my mind and that could explain why he doesn't possess it is that he didn't have the chakra capacity to learn it.

The second reason is the hokage barrier. He couldn't make more than 2clones while maintaining a barrier old Hiruzen could and old hiruzen was stated to have incredible low chakra to the point he couldn't use clones without risking his life. The fact Tobirama could only make 2clones while maintaining a barrier hiruzen could means that at the absolute most he has 3times old hiruzens chakra. I say at most because we don't know if hiruzen was restricted in clones as well since he wasn't seen but I suppose he was judging by his chakra reserves at that age

Having 3times the chairs of old Hiruzen and his low chakra isn't that particularly great. Besides this, let's also not forget the chakra control. Minato has been portrayed as someone with incredible chairs control in this manga from the moment he created a technique with the highest shape manipulation and even lately when it has been said he was the only one capable to shape the chakra to match other individuals traits before Naruto.

In other words Minato has one of the best chakra control in this manga allowing him even to control the chakra of entire shinobi alliance to teleport them elsewhere something that Tobirama self admitted he couldn't

That said, Minato wins

 

[Penguin]

Using one clone cut your chairs in half. With 2 it cuts it in 3. With 3 it cuts it in 4 and so on. Because of this even if A had 2times the chakra B has, and that during a fight, he were to make 2clones, with a chakra disperced in 3, he would end up running out of chairs faster than B. Just to say that while Tobirama may have more chakra than Minato, the clone strategy in a battle may not be that great if it were used to waste especially if Tobirama combines it with other techniques. In the end he would be wasting chakra uselessly. I am also not that personally sure Tobirama possess that great of a chakra. The first reason being that he doesn't possess sage mode. I am pretty sure that for a genius like him creating techniques it should not have been that difficult for him to learn it especially when you know his stupid brother managed to. And its a useful art. He lived during 50years or so and its hard for me to believe that during those 50years he never tried to learn it when his brother did decades before. The sole reason that come to my mind and that could explain why he doesn't possess it is that he didn't have the chakra capacity to learn it.

The second reason is the hokage barrier. He couldn't make more than 2clones while maintaining a barrier old Hiruzen could and old hiruzen was stated to have incredible low chakra to the point he couldn't use clones without risking his life. The fact Tobirama could only make 2clones while maintaining a barrier hiruzen could means that at the absolute most he has 3times old hiruzens chakra. I say at most because we don't know if hiruzen was restricted in clones as well since he wasn't seen but I suppose he was judging by his chakra reserves at that age

Having 3times the chairs of old Hiruzen and his low chakra isn't that particularly great. Besides this, let's also not forget the chakra control. Minato has been portrayed as someone with incredible chairs control in this manga from the moment he created a technique with the highest shape manipulation and even lately when it has been said he was the only one capable to shape the chakra to match other individuals traits before Naruto.

In other words Minato has one of the best chakra control in this manga allowing him even to control the chakra of entire shinobi alliance to teleport them elsewhere something that Tobirama self admitted he couldn't

That said, Minato wins

SM Hashirama could only make six clones, and base Hashirama could probably make around half. Base Hashirama fought for an entire day straight and was praised for his chakra levels. Making two clones is not a bad feat at all, and after making the two clones Tobirama kept on fighting and was never shown to be tired.

 

[KidGamer65]

Adds mobility in case Minato tries to move in a different direction.

Once it explodes it won't be able to move anymore as it will be caught in the explosion and eradicated.

Isn't exactly possible when you have 2 Edo exploding which cover massive areas. He can't outpace the explosion given the size of it.

Hiruzen got far enough away that adding another explosion wouldn't change the fact that he was a safe enough distance away, so it catching him definitely isn't happening.

When he spreads his kunai, they're all mainly close to each other, probably due to the fact he spreads them all at the same time. He doesn't have the time to spread an individual kunai to 5 different areas, not when he has 2 time bombs running at him and Tobirama.

He did that for one battle now you are here assuming he'll do it in this one so you can try and shift it into Tobirama's favor, even though all common sense says he shouldn't throw all them away nor should he throw all of them close to each other. Since when did actions for 1 battle dictate his normal fighting style. Lol

Bombs? Chasing him? lmao, read above.

5 different areas? Its different parts of the same battlefield..and time? Seriously? He can simply toss them in different directions, easier if he uses a clone.

Ah, forgot to mention that these clones can set markings where his marked kunai are, and so if Minato teleports to the marked kunai later on, Tobirama blitzes him.

A clone isn't getting time to set anything, the moment he gets in range of his Kunai Minato blitz kills him and that's the end of it. He isn't going to react in time let alone set a marking on the ground.

1 direction that covers so many angles due to it being a large attack. Not unless he keeps his sword right above the kunai and so Minato teleports right into it.

Still doesn't cover every angle which means he can easily escape it.

Tobirama seamlessly marks people/ground, such as him marking Juubito and

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. He wouldn't make marking a place so obvious, he isn't stupid enough to do that. And yet Minato left a seal on Bee and only the shinobi who was right next to him noticed the seal. The seals are tiny.

All you showed me is him teleporting. I see no scans of him actually setting a marking, its funny how you are comparing him marking the area in a battle where he is with a whole Shinobi Alliance fighting against 1 person to a 1 on 1 scenario where Minato's focus will be on Tobirama. Clearly not applicable here.

Minato left a seal on B's tail, which is hidden from his view when it retracted, a mark on the ground (A BLACK mark on the GREEN grass) is obviously..much more obvious.

And Tobirama can easily cancel those tossed kunai coming straight at him with a Suiton Wall or by using shuriken/kunai. Those clones he made can spread markings around the battlefield, I'm pretty sure he can make more than just one clone given his Senju lineage and his stamina feat of fighting Madara for an entire day.

Hiraishin Kunai are heavier than normal Kunai, a regular Kunai might stop it but Shuriken clearly aren't doing the trick. Even if he does stop them, Minato teleports to them, grabs his Kunai and does it again, only this time Tobirama isn't intercepting anything...end result? He gets killed or ports away to a clone.

lol, stop. He never fought Madara for an entire day, that was Hashirama and Hashirama alone. Him standing there with the other Senju clan members doesn't mean they were fighting, when the start of the fight only shows Hashirama and Madara. Though I agree he can make more than one clone, but Minato can make clones as well, so Minato's clones would just intercept Tobirama's clones and dispatch them with Hiraishin blitz.

Not to mention he still has Gamabunta to help here.

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even though he's only touching Enma. I remember Minato teleporting Kurama while he was standing on top of Bunta, but only Bunta was in physical contact with Kurama.

They have contact through a medium, this is pretty much the same thing as Naruto and Sasuke getting saved from Juubito by Minato in the scan I posted and completely different from teleporting to his Suiton..

Requires him to be stationary and perform hand seals, and then waiting to suck in the entire explosion, allowing Tobirama kill him with a ranged Suiton attack or clones.

Alright then...simply evading the attack is a perfectly good method regardless.

 

[Ababeel]

SM Hashirama could only make six clones, and base Hashirama could probably make around half. Base Hashirama fought for an entire day straight and was praised for his chakra levels. Making two clones is not a bad feat at all, and after making the two clones Tobirama kept on fighting and was never shown to be tired.

But Hashirama did make 5 as well before, so he had 11 clones at the time!