Madara's battle prowess and knowledge

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Take away Madara's upgrades, his eyes, senju dna, and kkg he would still be a formidable on a 1on1 fight.

He can fight blind and evade attacks on a close quarter combat thanks to his sensing skills.
He Has an impressive taijutsu possibly par with kakashi, itachi, sasuke, and bee, his battle prowess enabled him to take out hordes of the Shinobi alliance like a whirlwind in the battlefield. He has also shown respectable amount of speed enabling him to cover large distance with single leap and even surprising Naruto and Sai knocking them back with the former on heightened sense of Senjutsu. He was able to easily evade Mei's yoton, Gaara's high speed attack, and run away from Onoki's giant Jinton jutsu. He was strong enough to break large branches of the Shinju using his gunbai and he easily cut zetsu's arms with bare hands.

Best katon user we've seen so far based on sheer variety and scale of the jutsus he produce, easily matching the alliance's combined efforts, and has even made fire almost the same size of the Juubi. He can also use chakra infused ash to blind and disrupt attackers, this ash is hot enough to harm Naruto on his mode and also the alliance ninjas that are protected by Kyuubi chakra cloak.

Has great knowledge of barrier jutsu which he taught to Obito and he can create defensive barriers through chakra flow that is strong enough to block against giant projectiles thrown by Kyuubi's tails.

He can merge his body through objects or travel underground thanks to his attack prevention jutsu, the same jutsu used by Orochimaru during part 1. He can also use it for surprise attack and infiltration.

He can absorb chakra through chakra absorption jutsu, similar to the jutsu used by Yoroi, Jirobo, Kisame, and Orochimaru. His feat on it was the best we've seen so far as he was able to absorb Hashirama's huge chakra pool in mere seconds and also he has shown to absorb chakra with other parts of his body.

Naturally born with large chakra pool even among the Uchiha clan, he can fight on an all out battle for a straight day without rest against someone like Hashirama. His chakra prowess enables him to easily control and balance sage chakra something Naruto and even Jiraiya found hard to master.

He has unlocked the secrets of the yin-yang jutsus. His knowledge on it enabled him to materialize his will into black rods and even create a conscious being that will follow his will. Anyone attached with these materialized objects will abide his will.

Has some knowledge on medical jutsu, saving himself from mortal wound by integrating Hashirama's cells and even saving Obito's life by replacing half of his body with Zetsu's parts.
 
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Madara is fodder without his uchiha blood. All that prowness and knowledge would just let him know the may ways he'd get bent over. That and he has no sensing abilities without hashi's sage mode.
 

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Madara is fodder without his uchiha blood. All that prowness and knowledge would just let him know the may ways he'd get bent over. That and he has no sensing abilities without hashi's sage mode.

same could be said for hashi without his senju blood or naruto without the uzumaki gene
 

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Ying yang release, regen, Chakra absorbtion, and increased strength all come from senju DNA
 

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Strengthwise? He's great.
But his character does not interest me whatsoever. Deva Path came off as more of a god then Madara ever will imo.
 

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Don't make madara all so powerfull . He will always needs his eyes . For him to survive and if you take senju DNA away how will he sense danger
 

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Take away Madara's upgrades, his eyes, senju dna, and kkg he would still be a formidable on a 1on1 fight.

He can fight blind and evade attacks on a close quarter combat thanks to his sensing skills.
He Has an impressive taijutsu possibly par with kakashi, itachi, sasuke, and bee, his battle prowess enabled him to take out hordes of the Shinobi alliance like a whirlwind in the battlefield. He has also shown respectable amount of speed enabling him to cover large distance with single leap and even surprising Naruto and Sai knocking them back with the former on heightened sense of Senjutsu. He was able to easily evade Mei's yoton, Gaara's high speed attack, and run away from Onoki's giant Jinton jutsu. He was strong enough to break large branches of the Shinju using his gunbai and he easily cut his own limb with bare hands.

Best katon user we've seen so far based on sheer variety and scale of the jutsus he produce, easily matching the alliance's combined efforts, and has even made fire almost the same size of the Juubi. He can also use chakra infused ash to blind and disrupt attackers, this ash is hot enough to harm Naruto on his mode and also the alliance ninjas that are protected by Kyuubi chakra cloak.

Has great knowledge of barrier jutsu which he taught to Obito and he can create defensive barriers through chakra flow that is strong enough to block against giant projectiles thrown by Kyuubi's tails.

He can merge his body through objects or travel underground thanks to his attack prevention jutsu, the same jutsu used by Orochimaru during part 1. He can also use it for surprise attack and infiltration.

He can absorb chakra through chakra absorption jutsu, similar to the jutsu used by Yoroi, Jirobo, Kisame, and Orochimaru. His feat on it was the best we've seen so far as he was able to absorb Hashirama's huge chakra pool in mere seconds and also he has shown to absorb chakra with other parts of his body.

Naturally born with large chakra pool even among the Uchiha clan, he can fight on an all out battle for a straight day without rest against someone like Hashirama. His chakra prowess enables him to easily control and balance sage chakra something Naruto and even Jiraiya found hard to master.

He has unlocked the secrets of the yin-yang jutsus. His knowledge on it enabled him to materialize his will into black rods and even create a conscious being that will follow his will. Anyone attached with these materialized objects will abide his will.

Has some knowledge on medical jutsu, saving himself from mortal wound by integrating Hashirama's cells and even saving Obito's life by replacing half of his body with Zetsu's parts.
1.at first bolded. thanks to hashi sage mode
2. at second bolded . thanks to sage mode again
3. ash not make any damage for naruto or alliance
 

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Ying yang release, regen, Chakra absorbtion, and increased strength all come from senju DNA

Yinyang is inherent to every shinobi.

I didnt include any regen feat, I know they are from Hashis Senjutsu.
His chakra absorption is not from Senju Dna, check out chakra absorption jutsu, it was introduced in part 1 and was used by Oro, Kisame, Jirobo, and Yoroi.
 

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some think that shinobis like Hashi and Madara became like that just becase of KG.
 

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Don't make madara all so powerfull . He will always needs his eyes . For him to survive and if you take senju DNA away how will he sense danger
Having Senju DNA doesn't give you sensing skills, if so Tsunade, Yamato, Obito, and Hashishould have sensing feats which they do not have.
 

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Are you guys that are disagreeing with this thread mad at Madara? I think he is powerful with or without his eyes.
 

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same could be said for hashi without his senju blood or naruto without the uzumaki gene

Even without the uzumaki gene he still has Sage mode.

Hashirama is the same as well but he'd probably still bend madara over with a bunshin feint.


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How is maddy not fodder without his uchiha blood?
 
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1.at first bolded. thanks to hashi sage mode
2. at second bolded . thanks to sage mode again
3. ash not make any damage for naruto or alliance

Even before absorbing Hashi's sage mode he was able to sense Hashirama's chakra.
He also sensed Obito's return on the battlefield from kamui dimension.
He was also able to tell Naruto's clone from the original.
And when he was revived blind, he was able to tell Naruto, Sai, and Hashi's location and attack them.

Madara killed some ninjas covered in Kyuubi cloak after his attack and Naruto even commented on how hot it was.
 

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merging his body through objects or traveling underground??? Are you sure about this one? ive seen no such thing from him

He is quite formidable tho but I don't know how great hed be withought his Uchiha/Senju upgrades.
 

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Madara uses sage mode to sense things which comes from senju DNA that he has in his body take that away he would not sense anything
 

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Having Senju DNA doesn't give you sensing skills, if so Tsunade, Yamato, Obito, and Hashishould have sensing feats which they do not have.

actually hashi does have it its just that tobirama is better at it
 

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merging his body through objects or traveling underground??? Are you sure about this one? ive seen no such thing from him

He is quite formidable tho but I don't know how great hed be withought his Uchiha/Senju upgrades.
He used it when he pierced Tsunade behind after setting his clone trap.
 

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Even before absorbing Hashi's sage mode he was able to sense Hashirama's chakra.
He also sensed Obito's return on the battlefield from kamui dimension.
He was also able to tell Naruto's clone from the original.
And when he was revived blind, he was able to tell Naruto, Sai, and Hashi's location and attack them.

Madara killed some ninjas covered in Kyuubi cloak after his attack and Naruto even commented on how hot it was.

Thatbecause he stole his DNA. That because of hash DNA witch make anything 2 to 3 time stronger
 

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Madara is at best low kage level without his uchiha heritage and hiashi cell.
 
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