[VS] EMS Sasuke vs. Akatsuki

[Brother Numpsay]

There's simply nothing which argues that that weapon can pierce Susano'o. It needs to 'pierce' it before it can even think about 'sealing' it.

I can't even see why Sasuke couldn't simply grab and forcibly take the Totsuka blade from his brother. I'm pretty certain a Perfect Susano'o would trump a regular one when it comes to physical strength.

Wouldn't he have to deal with Totsuka cutting range first?

 

[Murasame]

I'd like to see some proof that Enton isn't as fast as amaterasu.
True hidan wouldn't be able to dodge Enton and thus get 1 shotted, nobody in their team showed feats
to stop the amaterasu so he'll burn to dead. you underestimate Sasuke's susano'o just look at how big he
is able to expand his sword and what he can cut [

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] they will get a hard time dodging enton as is said if he use it like this [

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] Not only is sasuke able to use it like this even without susanoó {taijutsu battle for example} he would be able to use it like this [

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Are you seriously inferring that enton is near instaneous like amaterasu? Enton is Sasuke manipulating amaterasu so of course it'd be slower. I don't really need to go further with this.. the only attack thats fast is enton arrow but the arrows were already shown to be fast before being coated in amaterasu.
Everything else you posted is for the most part countered here.
I find it funny that you assume that enton magatama will take out the akatsuki. First of all they aren't Zetsu and they won't stand there like idiots.. if somehow they can't dodge then Itachi can provide cover with Susanoo.

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I wonder.. can Kisame give chakra out to Itachi with Samehada? If so holding out Susanoo wouldn't seem to be a problem. Anyways Sasuke first has to go to PS which should give everyone time to disperse.. Deidara can go into flight, Itachi can protect Kisame with Susanoo plus yata, etc. Kisame can use GSB to drain Sasuke of chakra and probably take down PS considering the fact this jutsu grows bigger and stronger the more chakra there is. [

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] This takes the possibility of using PS out as Sasuke would only lose chakra.. Without PS he will eventually succumb to the pressure of attacks that the akatsuki would put on him. Flight won't be a solution since Deidara can fly as well... this takes the possibility of using Kirin out. Pretty much everything in Sasuke's arsenal is countered I believe... if he does catch any one in amaterasu though Itachi can save them since he also possess the ability to put out the flames as well. [

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I see the Akatsuki taking this but my opinion can be swayed.

 

[OnPoint]

Wouldn't he have to deal with Totsuka cutting range first?

I don't quite understand what you're saying mate.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't quite understand what you're saying mate.

Your made a claim that to deal with Totsuka, is to have Sasuke overpower Itachi's Sussanoo. That due to Sasuke's Sussanoo being physical superior.

In order for Sasuke to do this, he will need to get close would he not? Which begs the question:

Wouldn't he have to deal with Totsuka cutting range first?

Itachi is not going to stand there without doing anything about coming close to him.

 

[OnPoint]

Your made a claim that to deal with Totsuka, is to have Sasuke overpower Itachi's Sussanoo. That due to Sasuke's Sussanoo being physical superior.

In order for Sasuke to do this, he will need to get close would he not? Which begs the question:

Itachi is not going to stand there without doing anything about coming close to him.

But what exactly is he going to do if Sasuke does decide to get close? He can't get through Susano'o.

 

[Strict]

Kisame is the only threat here due to his techniques which have Chakra absorbing properties.

If he's killed, there nothing stops Sasuke from stomping the rest. Even with the lack of feats, Itachi's Susanoo can't compete with Sasuke's giant version.

 

[Chīkara]

Just because Hidan is a "non factor" doesn't mean you can underrate his speed.

Enton is no Sussanoo arrow speed. Hidan has displayed much better agility then Zetsu. Firing Enton projectiles to any Akatsuki, directly, is not happening.

Sakura who had a 3 in speed .5 slower than Hidan was still looking up while Sasuke was already down,

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Deidara could barely dodge Sasuke's shunshin who is 1.5 faster than hidan, What im trying to say is that sasuke uses enton or even use shunshin with a enton sword Hidan won't be able to react and thus burn to ashes. Not to mention he only has 1 feat which won't hurt sasuke in Susano.

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[Strict]

Sasuke can spamm Enton Magatamas. Or shot an Amaterasu arrow. Or he creates Amaterasu at a specific location on the battlefield and forces the flame to expand to a ring of flames jailing one or another Akatsuki member. Hidan is a non factor. Deidara is actually a non factor. Sasori is a non factor. Kakuzu is a non factor. He needs to kill Kisame before he gets dangerous for his Susanoo with his great shark bullet. Itachi is kicked away by Sasuke's PS together with his Susanoo.

 

[Rike Senju]

Sasuke has shown PS without the influence of the kyuubi chakra? I must have missed that chapter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Explain your reasoning; it seems to me that you believe, Susanoō, the literally physical manifestation of chakra, cannot be sealed by the Totsuka no Tsurugi since it survived a bijūdama and for it being unable to pierce Sasuke’s Susanoō for some unlisted reason; even if Sasuke’s Susanoō was layered in Enton by Kagutsuchi the Totsuka no Tsurugi can still seal it—the only way or ways that the blade cannot seal Sasuke’s Susanoō is either it undergoing some metamorphosis that changes it properties or Itachi dies—or some other particularity.

Precisely my point. If Totsuka doesn't have the piercing power necessary to pierce something that can tank a Bijuu Dama with zero damage, then it won't be able to pierce it and thus not sealing it, and there is nothing in the manga that implies Totsuka has the power necessary to pierce through Susanoo, so it can't seal it away. That's the main and only reason, reason enough to say it isn't getting pierced so it isn't getting sealed.

What does it being the physical manifestation of chakra have to do with Totsuka not being strong enough to pierce?

Sasuke has shown PS without the influence of the kyuubi chakra? I must have missed that chapter.

No, you just weren't reading the manga correctly. Cause Sasuke wasn't being powered by Kurama's chakra when he made PS, unless you can show me scans of him wearing the cloak.

And please don't come here saying that he was being powered up by its chakra because he formed his Susanoo around it, cause that makes no sense.

 

[Chīkara]

Sasuke has shown PS without the influence of the kyuubi chakra? I must have missed that chapter.

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Where is the cloak ?

 

[Murasame]

Sasuke can spamm Enton Magatamas. Or shot an Amaterasu arrow. Or he creates Amaterasu at a specific location on the battlefield and forces the flame to expand to a ring of flames jailing one or another Akatsuki member. Hidan is a non factor. Deidara is actually a non factor. Sasori is a non factor. Kakuzu is a non factor. He needs to kill Kisame before he gets dangerous for his Susanoo with his great shark bullet. Itachi is kicked away by Sasuke's PS together with his Susanoo.

For that to happen he first needs to go into Susanoo first.. according the conditions he doesn't start in it so I don't see why you're saying this. Itachi can activate his just as fast and shield his fellow members before that happens. Amaterasu can get extinguished by Itachi btw. If Sasuke goes into PS it will take longer for him to go into it unlike Itachi who can go into a lesser form protect kisame and have him launch a GSB which should render PS useless.
The distance is also 40 meters this should give the akatsuki enough time to do what I said.

 

[Airbear]

lol tim fck off and quit trolling me

dat neg rep ruined my day

 

[Shura]

For that to happen he first needs to go into Susanoo first.. according the conditions he doesn't start in it so I don't see why you're saying this. Itachi can activate his just as fast and shield his fellow members before that happens. Amaterasu can get extinguished by Itachi btw. If Sasuke goes into PS it will take longer for him to go into it unlike Itachi who can go into a lesser form protect kisame and have him launch a GSB which should render PS useless.
The distance is also 40 meters this should give the akatsuki enough time to do what I said.

A shockwave created by the PS is good enough to counter GSB so it doesn't really matter if Kisame uses it or not.​

 

[Murasame]

A shockwave created by the PS is good enough to counter GSB so it doesn't really matter if Kisame uses it or not.​

Sure if Sasuke can do it before Kisame launches GSB which is unlikely.

 

[Nattana]

A shockwave created by the PS is good enough to counter GSB so it doesn't really matter if Kisame uses it or not.​

I know in NV the same jutsu isn't used a few times in a row, but actually, what stops Itachi form spamming his Finger Genjutsu on Sasuke? That's why even the biggest power advantage can be nullified by team effort.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

A shockwave created by the PS is good enough to counter GSB so it doesn't really matter if Kisame uses it or not.​

A) Assuming Sasuke knows GSB isn't just another suiton technique?
B) Assuming Sasuke's "PS" slash creates shockwaves?

 

[Shura]

Sure if Sasuke can do it before Kisame launches GSB which is unlikely.

It's more than likely. If they even want Kisame to fire it off, Itachi has to remove Susano'o from him, leaving him defenseless from Amaterasu and Enton Arrows which are faster than the activation of GSB. This is how much time it takes for Sasuke to activate PS and coat Kurama with it. Just activating PS would take less time and Kisame hasn't shown to be able to activate GSB faster than that. Also, Kisame needs a water source so he will need to create one and if he does that, Itachi's Susano'o won't be effective anymore, allowing Sasuke to just kill them off. Itachi will also have to remove Susano'o from Kisame so that Kisame can spit out all of that water, once again allowing Sasuke to just kill off Kisame with an Arrow or Amaterasu.​

I know in NV the same jutsu isn't used a few times in a row, but actually, what stops Itachi form spamming his Finger Genjutsu on Sasuke? That's why even the biggest power advantage can be nullified by team effort.

Itachi admitted that his Genjutsu doesn't work on EMS Sasuke.​

A) Assuming Sasuke knows GSB isn't just another suiton technique?
B) Assuming Sasuke's "PS" slash creates shockwaves?

A) It needs time to eat Chakra. Something even you can't deny. Sasuke happens to have the Sharingan and as soon as he sees his PS being eaten by it, he counters with a shockwave. Unless he just decides to get rid off the water with a shockwave so he can fight in a normal battlefield.

B) All Susano'os have the same strength which is what PS uses in order to create those shockwaves. Sasuke not being ''Madara'' has nothing to do with it.​

 

[Nattana]

Itachi admitted that his Genjutsu doesn't work on EMS Sasuke.​

Provide me with a scan, please.

 

[Shura]

Provide me with a scan, please.

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