[Theory] Obito & Kakashi could activate their rinnegan

[6pathofpain]

A statement without explanation is somewhat useless.



No where was it stated you EMS to activate rinnegan, you are assuming that since Madara had EMS that everyone needs EMS.


Madara said both Uchiha and Senju are needed, he didn't even mention the level of sharingan needed



Thank man but could you tell me why you don't think they can



same here bro

Hmmmm, well hoestly the more I think about the more it seems likenit actually could happen. Cause when you think about it they both have ms but neither of them show any signs of blindness or pain from using ms Tec. And since we know that ems is gained a eye transplant, its possible that the eye transplant that was done when they were kids counted and they both actually have ems and we and they just figure itt was ms. It would be the first time in naruto history something like what happened between those two happened so the uchiha scrolls or any knowledge in naruto probably wouldn't expect it. I always wondered why the never went blind from using ms jutsu.

 

[Naruto.]

No. No more Rinnegans. Let it remain a unique powerup. I was indeed quite happy, when Madara started using new Rinnegan jutsus. U_U Why does everyone think Kakashi, Obito or Sasuke will awaken Rinnegan? None will awaken Rinnegan. They will defeat Madara by some different way. Obito giving Kakashi his eye seems more logical that them awakening Rinnegan.

 

[Don Drama]

Pardon me, but this theory is like giving PHDs or College Certificate to someone who never went to school. But who knows both of them might get lucky.

 

[Ziba27]

kabuto said rinnegan is evolution of ems i think ?

Retarded theory bro you need Ems+Senju dna stated in the manga

Retarded how? Its easy making insulting statements, show some proof to shut me up... or at the very least use logic


Stated in manga? You mean here?

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No one mentioned EMS, not even MS... just sharingan

 

[iKaras]

If you gave white Zetsu a base sharingan, would it naturally bypass MS and EMS and become a rinnegan?

-and if so, how long would it take?

 

[Whiteknight]

When was is stated that Ems was required for rinnegan i thought it was just the combination of uchiha and senju?

Kishi hasn't stated ANYTHING that is "required" for the rinnegan. These are the facts we know:

1) Madara is the only person, after the great sage, to unlock Rinnegan
2) Madara unlocked rinnegan before he died (LOOOONG after he was an old man)
3) Madara happened to have Hashirama's cells embedded in his chest at the time.
4) Madara happened to have EMS
5) Madara was an unusually powerful Uchiha, and an unusually skilled sharingan user.
6) Madara was unusually well-read about the sage, the rinnegan, the juubi and other apocryphal topics.

Point number 1 suggests that there isn't a simple formula to do it, and Point number 2 suggests that even when you have the correct ingredients it takes a very very long time to make it work. Even if Sasuke got Senju DNA embedded into himself, it may take him years and years for the Rinnegan to awaken.

The rest of the points (3-6) are all things that are unique to Madara or very uncommon about him, so it's hard to know which of these were important in awakening the Rinnegan or not. Madara had Hashirama's DNA specifically, not just random Senju DNA. It would have been much easier to Madara to kidnap and kill a Senju child instead of fighting Hashirama to the death. But that's not what he did. He got Hashirama's DNA specifically, which suggests there is something uniquely special about Hashirama.

Kishi never explicitly told us the formula. Maybe it's something easy:

Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA + Time = Rinnegan.

Maybe it's something more complicated:

Senju DNA + Wood Style + Uchiha DNA + EMS + Time = Rinnegan

Since Madara had EMS and he was uniquely well-educated about the sage of six paths, maybe there's some other secret or incantation or technique that needs to be used before the rinnegan is unlocked?

 

[Shinato]

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It has been stated that in order to unlock the Rinnegan, one would need the power of hte Uchiha and the power of the Senju. We know that the only thing which Madara had from the Senju were the DNA which he had taken from Hashirama. So DNA would count for the Senju Power, however its speculations that the Uchiha Power is their DNA or their Sharingan's. I personally think that the Sharingan is their "Power". Its also commented that the Rinnegan is the natural evolution of the Sharingan, the EMS being the final evolution of the Sharingan and then comes the Rinnegan. ( Meaning that one would most likely need the EMS in order to awaken the Rinnegan. However, Madara only awaken the Rinnegan at the brink of his life, which can mean that one has to experience something dramatic in order to awaken it.

 

[ShinobiAliance]

right and they only possess one and half uchiha and to be able to achieve rinnengan... its not just any situation that can activate it... in case of madara it was near death experience... but he was already a rly highly capable sharingan user and had EMS by that time already... not only does obito nor kakashi own senju cells or dna but they havent achieved EMS...

 

[Shinato]

right and they only possess one and half uchiha and to be able to achieve rinnengan... its not just any situation that can activate it... in case of madara it was near death experience... but he was already a rly highly capable sharingan user and had EMS by that time already... not only does obito nor kakashi own senju cells or dna but they havent achieved EMS...

Obito has Senju DNA, half his body was reconstructed from Zetsu goo,which is made from Hashirama Senju's DNA.

 

[ShinobiAliance]

Obito has Senju DNA, half his body was reconstructed from Zetsu goo,which is made from Hashirama Senju's DNA.

Yeah you are right but what would obito bring new to the table with rinnengan? besides if he gets in madara's path he will be killed easily... i believe obito will die there or have a talk with naruto and "believe in him"

 

[Shinato]

Yeah you are right but what would obito bring new to the table with rinnengan? besides if he gets in madara's path he will be killed easily... i believe obito will die there or have a talk with naruto and "believe in him"

Obito has already placed his beliefs in Naruto and he is how under the control of Black Zetsu, however... I think that its highly likely that Obito will break that control and attack Madara, or help the Alliance in some other way.

 

[ShinobiAliance]

Obito has already placed his beliefs in Naruto and he is how under the control of Black Zetsu, however... I think that its highly likely that Obito will break that control and attack Madara, or help the Alliance in some other way.

He might ... just how is what i dont know... unless he knows of a weakness in madara no one else knows... i meant believe in him like son goku did... by giving him something he could work with!!

 

[Shinato]

He might ... just how is what i dont know... unless he knows of a weakness in madara no one else knows... i meant believe in him like son goku did... by giving him something he could work with!!

Obito already said that he started to feel the same way Nagato must've felt and he was going to preform the Rinne no Tensei to help Naruto in some way. He may still use Rinne no Tensei in order to revive a dead Naruto. ( As Naruto may die in the coming chapters )

 

[ShinobiAliance]

Obito already said that he started to feel the same way Nagato must've felt and he was going to preform the Rinne no Tensei to help Naruto in some way. He may still use Rinne no Tensei in order to revive a dead Naruto. ( As Naruto may die in the coming chapters )

Now that is a theory i like... but even if he feels like helping naruto... kishi will have to explain this rly well at least in my point of view...

 

[UnrealSoul]

Kishi hasn't stated ANYTHING that is "required" for the rinnegan. These are the facts we know:

1) Madara is the only person, after the great sage, to unlock Rinnegan
2) Madara unlocked rinnegan before he died (LOOOONG after he was an old man)
3) Madara happened to have Hashirama's cells embedded in his chest at the time.
4) Madara happened to have EMS
5) Madara was an unusually powerful Uchiha, and an unusually skilled sharingan user.
6) Madara was unusually well-read about the sage, the rinnegan, the juubi and other apocryphal topics.

Point number 1 suggests that there isn't a simple formula to do it, and Point number 2 suggests that even when you have the correct ingredients it takes a very very long time to make it work. Even if Sasuke got Senju DNA embedded into himself, it may take him years and years for the Rinnegan to awaken.

The rest of the points (3-6) are all things that are unique to Madara or very uncommon about him, so it's hard to know which of these were important in awakening the Rinnegan or not. Madara had Hashirama's DNA specifically, not just random Senju DNA. It would have been much easier to Madara to kidnap and kill a Senju child instead of fighting Hashirama to the death. But that's not what he did. He got Hashirama's DNA specifically, which suggests there is something uniquely special about Hashirama.

Kishi never explicitly told us the formula. Maybe it's something easy:

Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA + Time = Rinnegan.

Maybe it's something more complicated:

Senju DNA + Wood Style + Uchiha DNA + EMS + Time = Rinnegan

Since Madara had EMS and he was uniquely well-educated about the sage of six paths, maybe there's some other secret or incantation or technique that needs to be used before the rinnegan is unlocked?

No the only thing unusual about Madara is his mad chakra pool. Everything else is self explanatory I just think you over exaggerated on that part. Your basically saying a person born from war and had open minded ideas such as hashirama can't grow to become the most powerful uchiha that ever existed? If anything before Madara gaining his life back Obito was stronger then every shinobi in the alliance.

It shouldn't even be unusual to read about the legendary sage of six paths the one who shaped the shinobi world. Madara discovered the rinnegan on accident he didn't even know how to activate it. Through that he was able to read more on the sage for over a 100 years? Come on now it makes logical sense to know so much about a person when your on your death bed for over 80 years.

 

[Shinato]

Now that is a theory i like... but even if he feels like helping naruto... kishi will have to explain this rly well at least in my point of view...

Not really, Obito has already said that he started to understand why Nagato betrayed him and Obito even tried to preform Rinne no Tensei in order to help Naruto. So its highly likely that he will break the control of Black Zetsu and preform his final jutsu; Rinne No Tensei in order to both help Naruto and to piss of Madara a little.