The difference between Sasuke and Kakashi, is that Sasuke can sit in his ultimate defense, giving Sasuke enough time to counter what he needs to counter. Danzo leaves many surprises, faking death, with Izanagi, and no defence gets Kakashi imprinted.
Kakashi elemental jutsu is inferior to all of Danzo's wind proficiency. Baku makes it a hella lot worst.
So you're saying Kakashi can't do the same thing, despite he leaves a lightning shadow clone Jutsu to take the fight for him, while he hides analysing the fight. He has done the same thing with Pain, and will do it with Danzo.
To also note, Kakashi against Zabuza, performed the multiple Shadow clone Jutsu on the same scale as Naruto. That was P1 Kakashi, who now in War ARC has much larger reserves of Stanina and Chakra, so he can spam the Jutsu for couple of times. Danzig won't be taking him by surprise. Faking death which Kakashi will notice.
Going by Danzo's scale and strength of Fuuton, Kakashi can easily block them with wall of Doton. As for Baku, it gets Kamui to the face.
Getting a Giant Water Dragon stuffed down your throat would probably clog your throat stopping the flow of wind, and could potentially drown the victim.
The effect would stop the wind, just as the fire did.
So you're saying Kakashi can't do the same thing, despite he leaves a lightning shadow clone Jutsu to take the fight for him, while he hides analysing the fight. He has done the same thing with Pain, and will do it with Danzo.
To also note, Kakashi against Zabuza, performed the multiple Shadow clone Jutsu on the same scale as Naruto. That was P1 Kakashi, who now in War ARC has much larger reserves of Stanina and Chakra, so he can spam the Jutsu for couple of times. Danzig won't be taking him by surprise. Faking death which Kakashi will notice.
Going by Danzo's scale and strength of Fuuton, Kakashi can easily block them with wall of Doton. As for Baku, it gets Kamui to the face.
-How does Kakashi leave a Bushin to fight, while Danzo doesn't see it, in your scenario? 2nd, who will win the fight between Danzo and Kakashi's clone, to determine how he will analyze his situation?
-Show all the scans of Kakashi using Bushin, and I promise you he complains about his chakra reserves. Thus why he does not use Multi Bushins in battle. Multi Bushin also makes it obvious that Kakashi will be hiding his original body. Not effective when Danzo also has a Sharingan socket in his eye, to see right through it.
Danzo's fuuton scale shows easily that it can cut through Kakashi's Doton, Suiton, and Raiton like butter. In fact, Asuma's comment says it best[
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Kakashi focus shot on Baku, then gets killed by Danzo.
Again as I said he take different methods to deal with baku, the wind suctions is linear as where baku is facing, what's stopping kakashi from using hidden like a mole technique or rather use a clone to use HLAM technique and go under or behind baku and launch a raiton kunai? Pretty much nothing as seeing he probably won't even know what's going on due to kakashi's skilled use in bushins.
1st of all the location is Danzo vs Sasuke not Sasuke vs Kakashi (under bridge).
2nd Kakashi using 42 hand signs against Baku, while ignoring the powerful suction? Lets be serious
3rd you must be ignorant to think that a powerful suction, that enabled the boss summoning to cover a wider range then that water jutsu, and known as the nightmare eater, is going to get clogged by mere Suiton. That boss summon eats boulders, trees, and almost Sussanoo, for breakfast. The best it would do is temporarily weakening the pull of its suction.
Again as I said he take different methods to deal with baku, the wind suctions is linear as where baku is facing, what's stopping kakashi from using hidden like a mole technique or rather use a clone to use HLAM technique and go under or behind baku and launch a raiton kunai? Pretty much nothing as probably won't even know what's going due to kakashi's skilled use in bushins.
So what if its linear, it covers a huge range. Whats stopping Kakashi from doing these things is the powerful suction, pulling him off his feet, to get eaten.
So what if its linear, it covers a huge range. Whats stopping Kakashi from doing these things is the powerful suction, pulling him off his feet, to get eaten.
And what's stopping kakashi was performing the said tactic before baku start's it's suctions? Even though I suppose you have a point in regards to kakashi getting pulled due to the immense powerful air, but the logical action to do in that case would be for kakashi to warp himself via kamui out of harms way.
And what's stopping kakashi was performing the said tactic before baku start's it's suctions? Even though I suppose you have a point in regards to kakashi getting pulled due to the immense powerful air, but the logical action to do in that case would be for kakashi to warp himself via kamui out of harms way.
Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu is an 18 seal technique, and it's larger than Water Dragon and would be twice as effective.
Sasuke's Fireball was an 8 seal tech, so granted, it would take Kakashi about twice as long to cast his jutsu.
But seeing as Sasuke wasn't even moved by the suction:
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Kakashi could resist it via instantaneous Earth Wall:
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And then prep his jutsu in the meantime.
Also, other effective counters to Baku would be:
A.) Kamui Snipe to the neck
B.) Hiding like a Mole, attacking from underground
3rd you must be ignorant to think that a powerful suction, that enabled the boss summoning to cover a wider range then that water jutsu, and known as the nightmare eater, is going to get clogged by mere Suiton.
Okay, your hyping of this monster is getting out of hand. It was defeated by a Katon. It's nowehre near as powerful as you think it is. It was one-paneled.
Now, look at the size of Baku's throat:
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It's equal to a Grand Fireball:
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Kakashi's Suiton is bigger than both, and it spans a wide area.
All of that water being sucked into one area would choke Baku, or at least clog his throat for a few seconds, which is enough time for Kakashi to kill it with Lightning Cable, which cuts through V2 Jins, something Kusanagi could not do.
That boss summon eats boulders, trees, and almost Sussanoo, for breakfast. The best it would do is temporarily weakening the pull of its suction.
That's all hype. It was easily defeated by a simple Katon, so all of this is invalid. FYI, Boulders and trees are not massive elemental attacks, they aren't even comparable in the slightest.
And no, it didn't almost eat Susano'o, it barely even moved Susano'o.
Doesn't matter. Kakashi's more than able to produce large Suiton's without sources of water:
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That Suiton was able to keep a Fire/Wind Combo at bay. Again, no source of water.
Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu is an 18 seal technique, and it's larger than Water Dragon and would be twice as effective.
Sasuke's Fireball was an 8 seal tech, so granted, it would take Kakashi about twice as long to cast his jutsu.
But seeing as Sasuke wasn't even moved by the suction:
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Kakashi could resist it via instantaneous Earth Wall:
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And then prep his jutsu in the meantime.
Also, other effective counters to Baku would be:
A.) Kamui Snipe to the neck
B.) Hiding like a Mole, attacking from underground
Okay, your hyping of this monster is getting out of hand. It was defeated by a Katon. It's nowehre near as powerful as you think it is. It was one-paneled.
Now, look at the size of Baku's throat:
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It's equal to a Grand Fireball:
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Kakashi's Suiton is bigger than both, and it spans a wide area.
All of that water being sucked into one area would choke Baku, or at least clog his throat for a few seconds, which is enough time for Kakashi to kill it with Lightning Cable, which cuts through V2 Jins, something Kusanagi could not do.
That's all hype. It was easily defeated by a simple Katon, so all of this is invalid. FYI, Boulders and trees are not massive elemental attacks, they aren't even comparable in the slightest.
And no, it didn't almost eat Susano'o, it barely even moved Susano'o.
1st. If your going to "scale" at least scale them right. 2nd If your going to interpret a manga scan interpret it right.
-Kakashi no source is not even near the same scale to produce with a source. So point moot for using it against Baku.
-Using Sasuke as your example was your down fall as you clearly see Sasuke vulnerable through out the effects of Baku. You can clearly see Sussanoo protecting Sasuke, while grinding its fingers to the ground, so it doesn't fly off to get eaten. The whole premise falls as Kakashi will be relying on his human body weight support, to stop the effects of the suction.
-A mere Katon was all that was needed to defeat it's weakness getting stronger towards him[
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Getting a Giant Water Dragon stuffed down your throat would probably clog your throat stopping the flow of wind, and could potentially drown the victim.
The effect would stop the wind, just as the fire did.
I'm not so sure. Bakus were said to be "nightmare eaters". I don't think what the Baku devours simply goes to its stomach, but to some sort of alternate dimension. The only reason the fire worked was because it caught the sides of its mouth and spread. I don't think water would have the same effect.
Already disproved this. He summoned a very large Water tech in the face of a large fire technique. You've ignored that, obviously.
Also, this is above a river. Sounds like a water source to me. What proof do you have that Kakashi can't draw from it? Or better yet, what's restricting him from moving to said area? It's literally right below him, and if he has full intel which conditions say he does, he would undoubtedly go down if he believes it is advantageous to him.
-Using Sasuke as your example was your down fall as you clearly see Sasuke vulnerable through out the effects of Baku. You can clearly see Sussanoo protecting Sasuke, while grinding its fingers to the ground, so it doesn't fly off to get eaten. The whole premise falls as Kakashi will be relying on his human body weight support, to stop the effects of the suction.
That's easy. I think you're under the impression that said suction would rip Kakashi off his feat directly?
Well, that wouldn't happen for one simple reason and that is: Focusing chakra in ones feat.
It was a counter against Pein's Shinra tensei and against his Bansho tein. It's the same method that keeps summoners firmly attached to their summone even when said summon is moving at high speeds.
Jiraiya, Naruto, Tsunade, and Orchimaru all put said method to good use. Come on man, that's simple basics.
Also, Kakashi carries a rappelling weapon that can attach to areas to resist pulling techniques:
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Now, before you say, "Kakashi didn't apply chakra to his feet resist Bansho Tein," know this: Kakashi had no prior knowledge of said ability. In this instance, he has full knowledge per the conditions.
Sooooo, Kakashi would keep chakra applied to his feet at all times when faced with this monster.
-A mere Katon was all that was needed to defeat it's weakness getting stronger towards him[
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You don't get my point. The Waterfall is much Wider than the monsters throat. Sucking all that water into one area will undoubtedly clog his throat for a short while. You want scaling proof?
Look at Zabuza compared to Waterfall:
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He's much smaller.
Now, look at these humans comparedto Grand Fireball:
Here are the points you conveniently avoided from my prior post:
-Baku's counter to lightening cable
-Kamui Snipe to the throat
-Attacking from underground
-Blocking effects via Earth Wall
-Kakashi not needing a water source to perform large scale water techniques.
I'm the one who has to come back with better interpretation? You pick and choose the points you want to counter, and avoid other ones. Yet you're saying I'm interpreting things incorrectly? Laughable, you didn't even post proof to back that claim.
So I'll return your jeer right back to you: Come back with better interpretation. Your interpreting things to what's suitable to you.
I'm not so sure. Bakus were said to be "nightmare eaters". I don't think what the Baku devours simply goes to its stomach, but to some sort of alternate dimension. The only reason the fire worked was because it caught the sides of its mouth and spread. I don't think water would have the same effect.
1st. If your going to "scale" at least scale them right. 2nd If your going to interpret a manga scan interpret it right.
-Kakashi no source is not even near the same scale to produce with a source. So point moot for using it against Baku.
-Using Sasuke as your example was your down fall as you clearly see Sasuke vulnerable through out the effects of Baku. You can clearly see Sussanoo protecting Sasuke, while grinding its fingers to the ground, so it doesn't fly off to get eaten. The whole premise falls as Kakashi will be relying on his human body weight support, to stop the effects of the suction.
-A mere Katon was all that was needed to defeat it's weakness getting stronger towards him[
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Raikiri infused kunai would punch a hole in baku's mouth or body which ever one kakashi aims at and it will get de-summoned, just like how he got de-summoned after getting hit by a fireball
The scenario you and Sky are playing is simply Kakashi ignoring the powerful suction, thus your conclusion is that he has the body weight and strength to ignore the suction.
Raikiri infused kunai would punch a hole in baku's mouth or body which ever one kakashi aims at and it will get de-summoned, just like how he got de-summoned after getting hit by a fireball
Did you read the sentence where wind release is an insulator of lightening release? Where electric charges do not flow freely, and therefore does not conduct an electric current under the influence of an electric field? Thus concludes lightening canceling out from the wind current?
The scenario you and Sky are playing is simply Kakashi ignoring the powerful suction, thus your conclusion is that he has the body weight and strength to ignore the suction.
Did you read the sentence where wind release is an insulator of lightening release? Where electric charges do not flow freely, and therefore does not conduct an electric current under the influence of an electric field? Thus concludes lightening canceling out from the wind current?
U make it seem as if he gets sucked in immediately.
I doubt he'll be standing on a pillar like sasuke . If he's getting sucked in he can easily slap his hands on the floor and create a wall while he's being sucked. And if he takes it to the river like I said baku's mouth gets flooded.
U make it seem as if he gets sucked in immediately.
I doubt he'll be standing on a pillar like sasuke . If he's getting sucked in he can easily slap his hands on the floor and create a wall while he's being sucked. And if he takes it to the river like I said baku's mouth gets flooded.
No what I am saying is that Kakashi will have no idea whats going to happen at first, I doubt his first action will be run away ahead of time. Sasuke was using Sussanoo, so bringing up Sasuke's case is irrelevant.
If he's getting sucked in he can easily slap his hands on the floor and create a wall while he's being sucked.
No what I am saying is that Kakashi will have no idea whats going to happen at first, I doubt his first action will be run away ahead of time. Sasuke was using Sussanoo, so bringing up Sasuke's case is irrelevant.
Yup, I knew this was your premise. Completely ignoring the powerful suction which Sussanoo wasn't able to move[
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