Is Madara really invincible 1 on 1?

[itachi4real]

Madara is a god so 1v1he really is invincible

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito hashi still have chance and i would add sasuke with izanagi/nami mix.

 

[6pathofpain]

Oh god, some people are so stupid. No fanboys, Hashirama doesn't beat him because Rinbo Hengoku 1shots. Nagato and Itachi get raped even if they try to fight him together.​

I didn't say much that wasn't fact especially in nagatos case until you can prove me wrong your reply is shit my friend.

 

[Biju Mode]

Madara gets solo'd by the giant wall of text

 

[6pathofpain]

Obito hashi still have chance and i would add sasuke with izanagi/nami mix.

Idk, it depends on how you look at it. I personally don't count ten tails obito. He lost that while he was still alive, so I don't count him plus it just seems a bit unfair lol

 

[Booker]

No but MS obito is.

 

[Limbo]

You gave me a uneducated guess with nothing to back it. The debate doesn't start until you can actually argue your opinion, so until you do your opinion doesn't mean much.

You wan't me to debate huh? Fine, lets start of by saying why Madara wrecks Nagato.
First of all, Nagato can't really do anything against Madara's PS

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As you can see here, the size of the PS is TWICE as big as the meteor which is this big

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As you can see, this is a lot larger than kyuubi since kyuubi aint mountain sized, If Nagato would use CT, it would get destroyed by and PS slash instantly because of the power of it, as you can see here, the shockwave of the PS swing destroyed 2 mountains and the meteors

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now moving on to the next jutsu Nagato has, Shinra tensei, as you can see here, the 6-tails got through the shinra tensei of Deva path

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And we all know that Madara PS>>>>6-tail Nardo, moving on to the next jutsu Nagato has, Bansho tein, it is a jutsu that draws a object to the user by force, he cannot possibly do anything to Madara who is chilling like 700m up in the air in his PS, and even if he could, Madara would just use rinbo hengoku which sould slap nagato to the next world, let's move on to the next jutsu Nagato has which is summoning jutsu, we have seen all the summons Nagato can do, and it can hurt Madara but i can be really troublesome, in that case Nadara would just use Moukton clone then v4 susanoo to get the summonings away from the real Madara while Madar slaps the living shit out of Nagato, now next one, the one that revives, Nagato can't really revive himshelf if he is dead U_U and the next one, the one that reads mind and extracts the sould, he can't even touch Madara, and the last one the one that shoots bombs and laser and shit, Moukton Kourin kajukai solos neg diff

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Now lets move on to Itachi.
the fight would be over in a splitsec, Madara simply uses Moukton Kourin Kajukai which relases pollen in the entire area which later on parylises the one affected, after he is parylised Madara can simply smas him with his PS.

Now then, moving on to Hashirama.
Right off the bat, Madara can use rinbo hengoku which would smash Hashi, the force that throws bijuus away like they're some kind of toys, Hashi would have no time for dodge, and if Hashi would somehow succed in dodging it and try to go in SM (which takes time)

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Madara can simply use Rimbo hengoku once again while Hashi is concentrating on going into SM.

Is this good enough for you?

 

[VongolaX]

Madara was around Hashirama's level at the time.

Until he required senju DNA, he gained the sages power.

Which was rikudou techniques, mokuton, and Inyouton.

Then, when later awakening the rinnegan it enhanced his sage powers more and

Open the seal (contract) to controlling Gedo.

So adding Gedo no Justu to his list of powers, his chakra increase dramatically to
the point that only that Obito (who used a similar method) and Hashirama in Sage mode
only can stand a chance.

 

[Waltz]

Very well. xd

Nagato has nothing that could breech the Kanzentai Susanoo's defenses. It should be rather obvious that Nagato is drastically inferior to the current Madara as not only is he capable of performing all Nagato's jutsu he succeeds Nagato by wielding Mokuton, Sennin Modo and the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan as well as the Kyubi given it is also apart of his arsenal. There is nothing Nagato can produce to triumph Madara. None of his Shinra-Tensei are breaching the Kanzentai Susano'o defenses. Preta path is useless before Mokuton. Naraka path, Human path and Animal path are all also useless against the Susano'o. With the Kyuubi involved Madara has the option of battling either jointly along side it or as a duo; meaning that Nagato would have multiple opponents, thus dividing his focus and leaving him open for the unexpected. Madara has numerable ways of besting him in a match and it really is comical of you to think the opposite. As I said, The Rin'negan isn't even needed. Madara's Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan jointly with summoning the Kyubi is enough to finish Nagato.

Itachi needs no explanation. As for Hashirama, Canon claims Hashirama and Prime EMS Madara were roughly on par which was later proven true as without the kyuubi's help he beat Hashirama out of Sennin Modo along with the remains of Shin-shuusenju and what other mokuton jutsu he brought to the table during that said time. In terms of 'Edo Tensei' Madara was irrefutably stronger, wielding the abilities of his prime state as well as the upgrades. To also note that:

-> Madara is knowledgeable of Hashirama's arsenal where as Hashirama is not.
-> Madara is able to produce Hashirama's Jutsu at will.
-> Kabuto decided to portray Hashirama's unfathomable power through Madara.
-> Madara has the Rikudō's Dōujutsu.

Facts refuting the rather strange belief of those who once thought an alive Hashirama could best Madara in his Edo-Tensei state. Thus far it's been portrayed [even in past events] that Hashirama cannot best The Perfect Susano'o without The Shin-Shuusenju as his tactics against it at VOTE all faltered before it's destruction incarnate swords swipes and highly notable defenses. If Hashirama [edo] was truly that superior to Madara he would have bypassed him...evidence pointing towards Madara currently being the stronger of the Duo. This is all in reference to Madara while an Edo Tensei. Masashi decided to solidify my reasoning with this:

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Even though Kabuto's version of the Edo Tensei superseded Orochimaru's it still wasn't perfect. Through the Hokages it was learnt that they were still not resurrected at their full potential; which naturally would put power restrictions on all techniques. Without being an Edo Tensei Madara would no longer have an excuse for holding back in terms of power as while zombified he could afford to die and willfully take damage which he could have negated given the reserved potential within his arsenal [Rin'negan techs, EMS techs, Mokuton Techs]. Being a living being would allow him to experience the Adrenaline rush or canonically worded as 'blood rushing through his veins' which biologically would enhance his battle ability or as he better quotes it "I can finally *Feel* the fight". Hashirama doesn't stand a chance currently. Madara has many means of besting him as well and as for Shin-Shuusenju do recall that due to Mokuton implants Madara can now phase through any Mokuton; Meaning that he could phase through Shin-Shuusenju and stab Hashirama right through the heart.

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[VongolaX]

I'm talking about current alive madara and he can't summon the 9 tails and even if he could the 9 rails doesn't stand a chance against nagato...at all. I can stand with what you said against itachi I guess. But why don't you actually explain your seemingly uneducated opinions on nagato and Hashirama instead of just saying them.

Nagato can't beat the nine tails dude :|

Even Hashirama has a hard time with it

 

[Aya San]

Waltz finished this off, any question OP?

 

[miromiro]

The Rikudou Sennin also shitstomps Madara 1 vs 1.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato can't beat any version of Madara.

Neither can Itachi.

Hashirama beats every version except Current Madara.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

u forgot to mention my boy Minato who has the one and only chance of killing madara.

FTG blitz and kage bushin will help Minato to at least seal Madara by Death reaper seal. We have seen that Hiruzen used kage bushin to aid him use Death Reaper Seal so yea minato will do it quiet easily.

 

[Bronze]

Madara beats Nagato.

Itachi admitted inferiority.

Hashirama got soloed by ET Madara and blind Madara. Madara cuts Hashirama's balls and makes him eat them.

Only Rikudou can beat Madara, other than him, Madara beats including Juubito.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Madara would destroy both itachi and nagato

only people who beat him 1 on 1 is Hashirama and Obito

 

[6pathofpain]

You wan't me to debate huh? Fine, lets start of by saying why Madara wrecks Nagato.
First of all, Nagato can't really do anything against Madara's PS

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As you can see here, the size of the PS is TWICE as big as the meteor which is this big

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As you can see, this is a lot larger than kyuubi since kyuubi aint mountain sized, If Nagato would use CT, it would get destroyed by and PS slash instantly because of the power of it, as you can see here, the shockwave of the PS swing destroyed 2 mountains and the meteors

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now moving on to the next jutsu Nagato has, Shinra tensei, as you can see here, the 6-tails got through the shinra tensei of Deva path

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And we all know that Madara PS>>>>6-tail Nardo, moving on to the next jutsu Nagato has, Bansho tein, it is a jutsu that draws a object to the user by force, he cannot possibly do anything to Madara who is chilling like 700m up in the air in his PS, and even if he could, Madara would just use rinbo hengoku which sould slap nagato to the next world, let's move on to the next jutsu Nagato has which is summoning jutsu, we have seen all the summons Nagato can do, and it can hurt Madara but i can be really troublesome, in that case Nadara would just use Moukton clone then v4 susanoo to get the summonings away from the real Madara while Madar slaps the living shit out of Nagato, now next one, the one that revives, Nagato can't really revive himshelf if he is dead U_U and the next one, the one that reads mind and extracts the sould, he can't even touch Madara, and the last one the one that shoots bombs and laser and shit, Moukton Kourin kajukai solos neg diff

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Now lets move on to Itachi.
the fight would be over in a splitsec, Madara simply uses Moukton Kourin Kajukai which relases pollen in the entire area which later on parylises the one affected, after he is parylised Madara can simply smas him with his PS.

Now then, moving on to Hashirama.
Right off the bat, Madara can use rinbo hengoku which would smash Hashi, the force that throws bijuus away like they're some kind of toys, Hashi would have no time for dodge, and if Hashi would somehow succed in dodging it and try to go in SM (which takes time)

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Madara can simply use Rimbo hengoku once again while Hashi is concentrating on going into SM.

Is this good enough for you?

First off never put nagato and deva path pain(a seared down devs path pain also) in the same category. Nagato not being able to counter a slash from ps is an opinion not fact, pain was able to destroy a entire city despite all he had already done and if those moutainsbwere there instead it would have been the same. And seeing how nagato can fly madara can be 60 or 100m in the air it won't stop universal pull from yanking him out of suasnoo just like gaara's sand did just easier(madara can't dodge gravity) and once he's out of suasnoo suasnoo is gonethen what? Nagato has 3 ways to disrupt or counter ps a suasnoo at least once in the case of the almighty push but once universal pull or planetary devastation takes him out of suasnoo suasnoo's gone until he makes another one which he might not even do since we do know he has a history of doing that. And the wood clones and suasnoo's is assuming he even has enough chakra to do all that since he's alive now, ems does mean he can use suasnoo with out using chakra especially not his. And once those dogs split into 20 or more like they did against jiraya madara himself will be in danger of his clones swinging those swords if he makes the ps suasnoo's and if he doesn't the dogs will out number his clones easy. Ps suasnoo is madara's only play and nagato can counter it.

And in taijutsu I (o can't remember and I'm on a phone so I can't double check) I think you said madara will use wood style? His wood style could help him if he knows how to use wood style directly from his body like hashirama which he hasn't shown the ability to do yet. Any other wood style jutsu nagato can counter by destroying the forest just as quickly as its made or flying. You can't hit somebody with an attack that comes from the ground if there to high up.

Ok now I re read some stuff you said. And you took my point that those dogs will be more troublesome than anything but that announce and presisance can throw madara off his game redirect a lot of his attacks and put madara in a bad position using chakra to do things to get rid of just the dogs. The rest will die easy. Execpt the bird flying over head dropping bombs. The suasnoo's and wood style won't distract those dogs, wood clones with double swords fighting dogs that split and multiple every time they get cut or anything, you can do the math on how many dogs and how quick they'll be there. And wood style can hold one until it splits and one gets away. The only way to stop those dogs it to stop nagato. There be 100 of those things in mins at no expense to nagatos chakra and a serious strain on madaras.

 

[karol the don]

Well the current hax powers of madara makes him untouchable 1 vs 1 i guess jubito is a good match up.jubito would have the upper hand easy e

 

[6pathofpain]

Nagato can't beat the nine tails dude :|

Even Hashirama has a hard time with it

The only thing 9 tails can do is tbb, nagato absorbs easy and I guess he can try and slap nagato...yea good luck with that. Naruto sm beat 9 tails pretty easy. And Hashirama didn't have trouble with him, his summon put his hand on his head and he went to sleep lmao

 

[6pathofpain]

Waltz finished this off, any question OP?

Just posted my rebuttal, and can you keep your **** riding to a minimal? This is a rated pg13 thread smh