Establishing why: Tayuya&Kido > Sakura or Tsunade

[I Sun I]

so getting stabbed isn't extremely painful? try stabbing yourself through the hand and you will have first hand experience of the pain he felt. plus the pain is immediate and direct

I am saying stabing himself was more painful than breaking a finger yet he chose stabbing himself

Like you said why he use something that gave him way more pain?

 

[TheTailedSage]

I am saying stabing himself was more painful than breaking a finger yet he chose stabbing himself

Like you said why he use something that gave him way more pain?

Its called acting on the spot, to think quite the first thing to think is extreme pain, stabbing himself was the quickest way to break the gen, the situation for shikamaru was completely different as his movements were restricted

 

[I Sun I]

Its called acting on the spot, to think quite the first thing to think is extreme pain, stabbing himself was the quickest way to break the gen, the situation for shikamaru was completely different as his movements were restricted

Its acutely the same sasuke was restriced as well

That genjutsu actually paralyze the body but sasuke hardly moved



Acting in the spot is the reason why shikamaru used "finger-break" instead of "biting lips"


Sorry but your reasoning is too biased

Just because a character used A instead of B doesn't mean B does not work .

Espically since you dont have a proof to confirm your theory

 

[alicexgil]

Even if tayuya starts with playing the flute ,sakura would start with her ground punch which is much faster than tayuya playing a song on the flute

And sakura punch KOed 50 jubbi clone

So GG tayuya

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Just because a character used A instead of B doesn't mean B does not work .

How is his premise bias then yours when Pain A is much greater then Pain B. The burden of proof goes to you.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Even if tayuya starts with playing the flute ,sakura would start with her ground punch which is much faster than tayuya playing a song on the flute

And sakura punch KOed 50 jubbi clone

So GG tayuya

Its these kind of counters i shake my head in exhaustion to

How is his premise bias then yours when Pain A is much greater then Pain B. The burden of proof goes to you.

He said it for me, shes making no sense whatsoever. Its not a theory its common sense

 

[Fair Warning]

Tsunade figners the ground and swallows her in a fissure

 

[AGoodBoy]

Tl;dr;

Tsunade or sakura solo's

 

[alicexgil]

Lets take tayuya fight as an example


Her fight with shikamaru begin with shikamaru trying to attack

And tayuya dodge

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if that was sakura instead of shikamaru the fight would be pretty much over from that attack



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But we won't count on that so


if tayuya start First

And play the flute

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You see here shikamaru throw a kunai at the last seconds of him moving
((at first he was able to move even though tayuya already started playing flute))

If it was sakura and instead of throwing a kunai she punch the ground

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the game would be over



you are counting too much on sakura and tsunade standing there doing nothing while tayuya play the flute.

Even though the scenario can be easily changed into sakura punch before tayuya play .

 

[Icelerate]

Sakura solos mid difficulty. Tsunade solos low difficulty. Wrong section as always TheTailedSage.

 

[erza II]

Alicexgil
Agree...

Sakura solos mid difficulty. Tsunade solos low difficulty. Wrong section as always TheTailedSage.

Indeed..

 

[FemmeFatale]

This sign needed for chakra control is nonsense not only could she constantly store chakra in her forehead without using a handseals. But she can also use her chakra without thinking about it, it has become second nature to her like Kakashi wanted

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Here she is using a seal.

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Look at what Kakashi say
Tsunade says

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We know both of them uses their chakra in battle easily to increase there scrength,
Instantly used the chakra here

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Notice how Sakura says you need to use handseals, notice how she and Tsunade surpassed this rule, they only use handseals to actively transfer chakra to Katsuyu, Sakura only uses handseals one time, and then she doesn't require them anymore

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Even though Tsunade is at the disadvantage for not being a genjutsu type she still beats Tayuya no dif, Sakura with her genjutsu hype beats her no diff too.
Tsunade is more physically incline that Sakura, and we know that her movement can create vortexes, Sakura's can too be I'm sure Tsunade's is greater.

 

[TheTailedSage]

This sign needed for chakra control is nonsense not only could she constantly store chakra in her forehead without using a handseals. But she can also use her chakra without thinking about it, it has become second nature to her like Kakashi wanted

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Here she is using a seal.

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Look at what Kakashi say
Tsunade says

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We know both of them uses their chakra in battle easily to increase there scrength,
Instantly used the chakra here

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Notice how Sakura says you need to use handseals, notice how she and Tsunade surpassed this rule, they only use handseals to actively transfer chakra to Katsuyu, Sakura only uses handseals one time, and then she doesn't require them anymore

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Even though Tsunade is at the disadvantage for not being a genjutsu type she still beats Tayuya no dif, Sakura with her genjutsu hype beats her no diff too.
Tsunade is more physically incline that Sakura, and we know that her movement can create vortexes, Sakura's can too be I'm sure Tsunade's is greater.

Ill debunk this all with one scan and its recent

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Tsunade had to use Tiger seal on the left panel to activate your beloved byakugo. its no different in this fight.

Lets take tayuya fight as an example


Her fight with shikamaru begin with shikamaru trying to attack

And tayuya dodge

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if that was sakura instead of shikamaru the fight would be pretty much over from that attack



-------

But we won't count on that so


if tayuya start First

And play the flute

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You see here shikamaru throw a kunai at the last seconds of him moving
((at first he was able to move even though tayuya already started playing flute))

If it was sakura and instead of throwing a kunai she punch the ground

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the game would be over



you are counting too much on sakura and tsunade standing there doing nothing while tayuya play the flute.

Even though the scenario can be easily changed into sakura punch before tayuya play .

Ok ill tell you why you cant use this fight and that logic in this match. Fro starters shikamaru had been fighting Tayuya for a while so he knew what her jutsu was hence why he was able to make a play (throw the kunai). Going back to how shikamaru is one of the smartest people in the leaf, it took him a while to strategies a plan in order to overcome it. Sakura isnt going to punch the ground straight away because its out of character.


Tayuya plays flute because its within her character to play the flute straight away. Sakura has no knowledge on the sound gen hence why she either runs in and get trapped in gen or waits and gets trapped in gen. the punching ground argument pisses me off to no end.

Sakura solos mid difficulty. Tsunade solos low difficulty. Wrong section as always TheTailedSage.

If you aint giving a reason then its better to say nothing

 

[fayeon]

Ill debunk this all with one scan and its recent

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Tsunade had to use Tiger seal on the left panel to activate your beloved byakugo. its no different in this fight.




Ok ill tell you why you cant use this fight and that logic in this match. Fro starters shikamaru had been fighting Tayuya for a while so he knew what her jutsu was hence why he was able to make a play (throw the kunai). Going back to how shikamaru is one of the smartest people in the leaf, it took him a while to strategies a plan in order to overcome it. Sakura isnt going to punch the ground straight away because its out of character.


Tayuya plays flute because its within her character to play the flute straight away. Sakura has no knowledge on the sound gen hence why she either runs in and get trapped in gen or waits and gets trapped in gen. the punching ground argument pisses me off to no end.



If you aint giving a reason then its better to say nothing

Actually tayuya never started with genjutsu

First thing she has done is summon


Sakura on the other hand first thing she do is punch


If the enemy is close she punch him ,if he was far she punch the ground .



And with shikamaru moving .i am sure that (alicxgil) meant he was able to move even after he know about the genjutsu

At last seconds shikamaru was able to throw the kunai and make a startgy

But sakura doesn't need to make a strategy

she only need to punch the ground( this is her style of fighting)




No one is expecting sakura to make a startgy like shikamaru in last seconds


But you are really underating sakura brain

She is not shikamaru but she is smart she could think of something in last seconds especially since her own style

One shot the enemy

 

[TheTailedSage]

Actually tayuya never started with genjutsu

First thing she has done is summon


Sakura on the other hand first thing she do is punch


If the enemy is close she punch him ,if he was far she punch the ground .



And with shikamaru moving .i am sure that (alicxgil) meant he was able to move even after he know about the genjutsu

At last seconds shikamaru was able to throw the kunai and make a startgy

But sakura doesn't need to make a strategy

she only need to punch the ground( this is her style of fighting)




No one is expecting sakura to make a startgy like shikamaru in last seconds


But you are really underating sakura brain

She is not shikamaru but she is smart she could think of something in last seconds especially since her own style

One shot the enemy

But the point is shes going to use the flute regardless and she only done that because shikamaru pissed her off. She isnt going to start with a summon in every fight thats false to assume.

Name one other time apart from juubi clone time where sakura has just punched the ground. that's not a normal thing for a sane person to do. plus people fail to realise she only has that power with the seal active which requires a hand seal and a couple of seconds so no powerful punch for her. Nice try.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade used the tiger seal to activate the BYAKUGOU NO JUTSU.

She can release the SEAL without handseals.

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You can clearly see she isn't forming handseals to open the seal.

/thread

 

[fayeon]

But the point is shes going to use the flute regardless and she only done that because shikamaru pissed her off. She isnt going to start with a summon in every fight thats false to assume.

Name one other time apart from juubi clone time where sakura has just punched the ground. that's not a normal thing for a sane person to do. plus people fail to realise she only has that power with the seal active which requires a hand seal and a couple of seconds so no powerful punch for her. Nice try.

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Before you say this is filler ^
Its written by kishi .

She saw the enemy and first thing she do is kick the ground .


However back than her strength wasn't as strong as now ,so the ground was not affected a lot .


She used the ground punch before as well in manga but i couldn't find the scan (if you want me to bring it )

people fail to realise she only has that power with the seal active which requires a hand seal and a couple of seconds so no powerful punch for her

I swayer this statement is like you don't read the manga .



Her yin seal is always there uneless its empty

We are talking about current sakura here

Her yin seal is like a base ability she doesn't use hand seal for yin seal

Releasing, opening the seal =\= having te seal

 

[fayeon]

Tsunade used the tiger seal to activate the BYAKUGOU NO JUTSU.

She can release the SEAL without handseals.

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You can clearly see she isn't forming handseals to open the seal.

/thread

forget it ,he will never get it .

The guy think they need to do a seal to have the super strength .

 

[TheTailedSage]

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Before you say this is filler ^
Its written by kishi .

She saw the enemy and first thing she do is kick the ground .


However back than her strength wasn't as strong as now ,so the ground was not affected a lot .


She used the ground punch before as well in manga but i couldn't find the scan (if you want me to bring it )






I swayer this statement is like you don't read the manga .



Her yin seal is always there uneless its empty

We are talking about current sakura here

Her yin seal is like a base ability she doesn't use hand seal for yin seal

Releasing, opening the seal =\= having te seal

Well if you want to use fillers as proof i can easily say that tayuya does infact start with genjutsu because she done it as edo tensei.

Even if your right which i just checked if she does, dont take away from the fact that she still gets trapped in gen regardless of the seal, even if its just for a second

Tsunade used the tiger seal to activate the BYAKUGOU NO JUTSU.

She can release the SEAL without handseals.

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You can clearly see she isn't forming handseals to open the seal.

/thread

scan doesnt work but your right, but how is that thread LOL please

 

[Keimil]

Well if you want to use fillers as proof i can easily say that tayuya does infact start with genjutsu because she done it as edo tensei.

Even if your right which i just checked if she does, dont take away from the fact that she still gets trapped in gen regardless of the seal, even if its just for a second

That is not filler, that was a part of the Naruto the Movie: Road to Ninja, whose story-line was written by Masashi Kishimoto and Yuka Miyata.

Regarding to Tayuya's Genjutsu, Sakura used Genjutsu Dissipation to break Kabuto and company's massive Genjutsu, back then, Kabuto even praised the elite Jounins for being able to perform such a technique.

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Ok, Kabuto has a 0.5 less points in Genjutsu than Tayuya according to the Databook, but this was 3 years ago, Sakura was 12 years old by then, now if pain is the only way to break Tayuya's genjutsu (I seriously doubt it) current Sakura would realize that easily...
Besides that, just a rapid punch in the ground would be enough to prevent Tayuya from starting her jutsu...