Your statement merely shows the lack of your understanding. Pain was the victor. But why Jiraiya would've turned the victor potentially when learning the secret behind Pain? Would the difference in their power change? No. Jiraiya could probably go for haunting Nagato himself, who was disabled. Jiraiya would not automatically turn stronger when knowing Nagato is the one moving the Path's. Jiraiya lost to a Pain who didn't fight at full power. That's reality.
No point telling others that they lack understanding, when you yourself lack understanding. Pain was the victor, due to having the secret of surprise. "The secret" of pains is what made Nagato into a God. No one knew how to kill him. If Jiraiya had known, he simply would've took out the black rods and did what Naruto did and went to hunt Nagato down. It was Nagato himself who admit that if Jiraiya had known the secret he would've been beaten.
Nagato's admittance to Jiraiya beating him if he knew the secret puts Jiraiya higher than Nagato himself. And who said we saw Jiraiya go all out? In fact the entire fight he had been trying to figure out the abilities.
Oh and also, Pain > Nagato by himself. Strength in numbers. Pain is what made Nagato into a God. Keep Nagato by himself, no one if praising him as a god. There is a clear reason why Nagato stuck to pain, instead of recovering back his legs.
The difference in power is still vastly great between them if its a 1 vs 1. You people act like if experience isn't anything. Experience is everything.
Is Pain doing Chibaku tensei = him going all out? or him doing shinra tensei = him going all out? is that definition of going all out? He first needs to be able to have the time to pull off those moves.
What the hell.. you do remember what orochimaru did in part 1 right. You do know that tsunade would be dead if oro had his hands back then right. You do remember jiriyah wasn't the genius in the group right. Orochimaru is THE STRONGEST SANIN
You do realize, Tsunade would've killed Orochimaru herself, if she didn't have the disease and fatigue handicap. Right? You do remember him running away after 1 punch from Tsunade? right?
You remember Sasuke was called a genius , while Naruto was called an Idiot. But in the end Naruto > Sasuke.
You do remember Jiraiya learned SM something Orochimaru hasn't been capable of so far. You do realize Tsunade is the more known and respected Sanin right? You do know she had the power to heal Orochimaru's arms which had been taken away by Edo tensei right?
All the Sanin are equals in some respect. Depending on the scenario each wins the fight. Orochimaru is the weakest Sanin as of right now. He still needs that 1 power up, that Jiraiya and Tsunade got , besides their base form.
At this point, if you still truly believe Jiraya and Tsunade can defeat Itachi, you're blinded by your own fanboyism or hate for Itachi. Orochimaru is the only Sannin that stands a chance of besting him and that is only because of Edo Tensei and in turn the ninjas he has under his control without it, no form of him would win the battle ..
This thread is just filled with ridiculous abc logic and horrible arguments . It should be posted in VS threads, as it has been a million times, so the people arguing these ridiculous things can defend their claims with their old reiterated arguments
Like wise can be said for you. I mean you are the guy who limits Tsunade to only taijutsu, and then underrates her into being jounin level at best.
ABC logic exists in the manga, not our fault that your fanboyism doesn't allow it to be used to prove your character to be weaker than you think.
