[Spoilers] People thinking Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo...

[24 12 11 to troll]

Law never fought doflamingo(1 vs 1) at 100% health.
Sanji is weaker than luffy and was having hard time against someone like vergo.

Yes he did... He fought Doflamingo and got flattened. Then second time round he was already injured based upon his defeat.

Vergo is very strong. VERY strong, you seem to be forgetting that Vergo vs Sanji was a fight between a fully healthy Vergo and a Sanji in a fatigued body because of Nami.

Just because they both lost to doflamingo does not mean luffy will lose too.

I'm sure Luffy is stronger than Law , but a tiny margin means that Luffy is still weaker than Doflamingo since Doflamingo ended a fight with an injured Sanji in two moves, and neg diffed Law.

It is a manga fact that Caesar low diff. luffy, franky, Robin and one more, all at once. But we know that luffy is way stronger than caesar is.

Caesar low diffed them all due to what I like to call cheating and because the Strawhats had no knowledge.

So just because doflamingo easily beats weakened law and sanji , it does not mean luffy will lose to him.

But he did utterly destroy an initially healthy Law whom is not much weaker than Luffy.

Also, i don't like the theory of luffy fighting weakened Doflamingo, it will not be as entertaining.
There is no bravery in fighting a weakened bleeding opponent and i would feel pity for doflamingo which i don't want. Also, its not in luffy's character to fight a weakened opponent.

That's a shame because that's the only well known thing about Violet Gibson. So Viola is based upon a character that is only famous because of an action, if she does not perform that action her entire design is pointless. Knowing Doflamingo he will still think he can win and wouldn't make the injury obvious etc. And to be honest Luffy would fight him anyway because he hurt his Nakama.

In short, even though i am not saying luffy can beat doflamingo, your reason to believe he can't is simply wrong. Oda have to show a character as strong by making him defeat strong opponents so that the finale fights become more entertaining.

How is my reason to believe he can't wrong when my reason to believe is purely a logical powerscale. Finale fights are more entertaining based upon the quality of the fight. Build up fights do not contribute to this. They're simply used as a motive for Luffy to fight Doflamingo and nothing more.

If you notice, sanji had no knowledge about DD and his strings so he was at a clear disadvantage.
Without knowledge, even luffy lost to Caesar so knowledge is an important factor and guess who is the best person who can provide knowledge to luffy, viola.

And? Law had knowledge and still got destroyed. So the powerscaling still comes into effect.

Viola can provide information to Luffy while she's bleeding on the floor unable to move because of Doflamingo's rage after she shoots him.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I agree with you except the viola's character = violet gibson, i don't know where you get that idea.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I agree with you except the viola's character = violet gibson, i don't know where you get that idea.

Her alias, name, occupation, and opposition to Doflamingo mirror that of Violet Gibsons opposition to Benito Mussolini

 

[Sherlock.]

Quite possible though it would be cool to have both Luffy and Doffy at their best cause this is the perfect chance for Luffy to show the real results of his training. He hasn't gone all out since Marineford War.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Thanks! Yeah, we were talking about it.

I just think 2 years of Rayleigh means you should be able to fight equally with Doflamingo.
I mean, im not saying it will be an easy win for Luffy. I think it will be his hardest fight ever, throughout the whole series. But in the end he will win, in a bloody state.

 

[Frikid]

Yes he did... He fought Doflamingo and got flattened. Then second time round he was already injured based upon his defeat.

Vergo is very strong. VERY strong, you seem to be forgetting that Vergo vs Sanji was a fight between a fully healthy Vergo and a Sanji in a fatigued body because of Nami.


I'm sure Luffy is stronger than Law , but a tiny margin means that Luffy is still weaker than Doflamingo since Doflamingo ended a fight with an injured Sanji in two moves, and neg diffed Law.


Caesar low diffed them all due to what I like to call cheating and because the Strawhats had no knowledge.


But he did utterly destroy an initially healthy Law whom is not much weaker than Luffy.


That's a shame because that's the only well known thing about Violet Gibson. So Viola is based upon a character that is only famous because of an action, if she does not perform that action her entire design is pointless. Knowing Doflamingo he will still think he can win and wouldn't make the injury obvious etc. And to be honest Luffy would fight him anyway because he hurt his Nakama.


How is my reason to believe he can't wrong when my reason to believe is purely a logical powerscale. Finale fights are more entertaining based upon the quality of the fight. Build up fights do not contribute to this. They're simply used as a motive for Luffy to fight Doflamingo and nothing more.


And? Law had knowledge and still got destroyed. So the powerscaling still comes into effect.

Viola can provide information to Luffy while she's bleeding on the floor unable to move because of Doflamingo's rage after she shoots him.

In first fight, he was against fujitora + DD , surviving that fight alone is a big enough feat. After that fight he was completely exhausted and he was also bleeding.
In that sorry condition he went 1 on 1 with DD and its not really surprising that he lost in that condition.

Also, we have not seen luffy go all out yet so it is just an assumption that he is barely stronger than law. It is possible that there is considerable difference between their strengths.

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yes sanji was fatigued but not to that point that it should be considered he is handicapped. Vergo is strong, no doubt but law can beat him easily, it was only due to his heart that he was unable to do anything.
So, Law can beat vergo easily who gave sanji trouble.

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Hmm. But still i don't want that to happen.
I think we both have our own opinions and lets just leave it at that.

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The difference between strength of luffy and law is still unclear as we have not seen luffy go all out. And all the enemies he have fought , he have pretty much defeated them with low difficulty even though they were quite strong.

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Yes but he was in a weaker state at that point so even though he had knowledge it didn't make much difference. Or maybe it was thanks to his knowledge that he was even able to scratch him.
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:eww: umm never mind.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

In first fight, he was against fujitora + DD , surviving that fight alone is a big enough feat. After that fight he was completely exhausted and he was also bleeding.
In that sorry condition he went 1 on 1 with DD and its not really surprising that he lost in that condition.

Also, we have not seen luffy go all out yet so it is just an assumption that he is barely stronger than law. It is possible that there is considerable difference between their strengths.

Isshou didn't actually contribute to the fight. Which is why we only saw Doffy and Law fighting until the very end when Isshou is just sitting there, and is ordered by Doflamingo to hold Law down.

yes sanji was fatigued but not to that point that it should be considered he is handicapped. Vergo is strong, no doubt but law can beat him easily, it was only due to his heart that he was unable to do anything.
So, Law can beat vergo easily who gave sanji trouble.

He was heavily fatigued to the point that it should be considered a handicap. Law only beat Vergo because Vergo thought it would be a great idea to underestimate Law and let Law slice through him.

Hmm. But still i don't want that to happen.
I think we both have our own opinions and lets just leave it at that.

Fair judgement.

The difference between strength of luffy and law is still unclear as we have not seen luffy go all out. And all the enemies he have fought , he have pretty much defeated them with low difficulty even though they were quite strong.

I don't see why that is relevant since neither has fought the same opponent ever since the start of the Punk Hazard arc.

Yes but he was in a weaker state at that point so even though he had knowledge it didn't make much difference. Or maybe it was thanks to his knowledge that he was even able to scratch him.

And how is one scratch significant? It's like Luffy giving him one bruise. That won't beat a fully healthy Doflamingo.

 

[Kuzan]

Isshou didn't actually contribute to the fight. Which is why we only saw Doffy and Law fighting until the very end when Isshou is just sitting there, and is ordered by Doflamingo to hold Law down.

The scene where you see them sitting actually shows alot of meteors, so he most likely contributed to Law's defeat.

 

[Hijey]

I think that the Law that fought Doflamingo pushed him to mid difficulty, so a healthy Law should be able to push him to high difficulty(Sanji w/o knowledge low, with knowledge mid difficulty, L&Z high difficulty with knowledge). So, Luffy and Co aren't quite ready to defeat Doflamingo, but I think Luffy will solo say like 80% of the fight.

 

[System001]

I'm glad that the whole, Law >>>>> Luffy thing seems to have blown over now.
Also, in regards to the whole Sanji thing, aside from the fact that he was fatigued, I can't help but feel that there's a divide opening up between the M3.
Luffy = Trained by Rayleigh, non DF user and therefore likely to have beastly physical strength and Haki to make up for it.
Zoro = Trained by Dracule Mihawk, strongest swordsman in the world.
Sanji = Trained on an Island full of hags, by Hags. :\

While it feels that Zoro has once again risen to chase closely behind Luffy again, it feels like Sanji has been left in the dust, at least in terms of the level of training that they were likely to be subjected to. I just don't see how an Island of hags could be more effective than one to one training with some of the best fighters in the world, no matter the intensity or aptitude for learning that Sanji may have had.
It feels kind of like the M3 is devolving, and, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if a crew member stronger than Sanji were to be introduced/ a current crew member were to become stronger than him. In fact, I would welcome it, knowing that the strongest in the crew is fixed to three people, with little to no variation gets kinda boring. Was cool at first...but now it's kind of lost its flair.
Aside from that, I'll never understand how Robin isn't OPed. Give her an intense Armament Haki, and Shigan, and she should be able to wreck shit. :\

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

This doesn't apply to all of you:

Are you kidding me!? So he low diffs Law and low diffs Sanji and you still think Luffy is the stronger character!? Even when both Law and Sanji would definitely be a high difficulty opponent for Luffy (that's the bare minimum) you think Luffy can beat a full strength Doflamingo?

Yes, Luffy will beat Doflamingo. And yes the two of them are likely to fight in a 1v1. But Luffy is not going to beat a fully healthy uninjured Doflamingo.

Viola (heading to the Palace) is based off of a real person called Violet Gibson.
Read about her here:

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As you can see she shot the Fascist leader Benito Mussolini (represented by Doflamingo), so I'm just going to point out that Violet will shoot and injure and therefore weaken Doflamingo before Luffy fights him.

Luffy isn't stronger than Doflamingo, but he will win their fight due to Doflamingo starting out weakened and injured and probably losing a lot of blood.

Hey there Oda, you seem quite sure of yourself.

 

[crono0929]

I'm glad that the whole, Law >>>>> Luffy thing seems to have blown over now.
Also, in regards to the whole Sanji thing, aside from the fact that he was fatigued, I can't help but feel that there's a divide opening up between the M3.
Luffy = Trained by Rayleigh, non DF user and therefore likely to have beastly physical strength and Haki to make up for it.
Zoro = Trained by Dracule Mihawk, strongest swordsman in the world.
Sanji = Trained on an Island full of hags, by Hags. :\

While it feels that Zoro has once again risen to chase closely behind Luffy again, it feels like Sanji has been left in the dust, at least in terms of the level of training that they were likely to be subjected to. I just don't see how an Island of hags could be more effective than one to one training with some of the best fighters in the world, no matter the intensity or aptitude for learning that Sanji may have had.
It feels kind of like the M3 is devolving, and, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if a crew member stronger than Sanji were to be introduced/ a current crew member were to become stronger than him. In fact, I would welcome it, knowing that the strongest in the crew is fixed to three people, with little to no variation gets kinda boring. Was cool at first...but now it's kind of lost its flair.
Aside from that, I'll never understand how Robin isn't OPed. Give her an intense Armament Haki, and Shigan, and she should be able to wreck shit. :\

dude, at least luffy and zoro had a Safe zone where they could sleep and rest, Sanji had to keep running, so the okama dont rape him.

he basically had to improve on his own in order to overcome the "hags".

 

[Hexuze]

Hey there Oda, you seem quite sure of yourself.

He's always like that. Just ignore it.

 

[System001]

dude, at least luffy and zoro had a Safe zone where they could sleep and rest, Sanji had to keep running, so the okama dont rape him.

he basically had to improve on his own in order to overcome the "hags".

Erm, so? lol.

 

[Red Swag]

dude, at least luffy and zoro had a Safe zone where they could sleep and rest, Sanji had to keep running, so the okama dont rape him.

he basically had to improve on his own in order to overcome the "hags".

safe zone? wasnt luffy on an island surrounded by monsters as strong as him? or even stronger.

zoro on the other hand was too bad ass that he defeated all the monsters on that island even before mihawk was about to train his ass.

 

[crono0929]

safe zone? wasnt luffy on an island surrounded by monsters as strong as him? or even stronger.

zoro on the other hand was too bad ass that he defeated all the monsters on that island even before mihawk was about to train his ass.

The island where luffy trained, had that tree where luffy left his hat, monsters never went near that tree and he had rayleigh protecting him also.

Zoro had the castle to sleep and rest, and perona to tend to his wounds.

Sanji was running from being sodomized the whole time.

im not saying that Sanji>Luffy or Zoro, im just saying that he should not be underestimated.

 

[ToshiZO]

Luffy beats Dofla. But it will be like Luffy vs Lucci fight.

Closer to Croc vs Luffy, Lucci and Luffy weren't too far apart. Doflamingo is on another level compared to the M3 and the Supernovas.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The scene where you see them sitting actually shows alot of meteors, so he most likely contributed to Law's defeat.

You do realize meteors are big, right? And the only meteor pulled down was diced into pieces. So you're looking at the remains of just the one Meteor.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Dressrosa seems to mirror Arabasta( or is it Alabasta im not sure) so i wouldnt be surprised if Luffy gets more than one shot at Doffy. He will probably fight him, get beaten and then found out his weakness or something. Personally I would prefer a tag team on Doffy cos I dont think Luffy can beat him on is own plus I dont like the fact thats its mirroring alabasta.

 

[Olorin]

I haven't weighed in because I'm not sure where I stand, I'm sorta in the middle

but I do wonder if anyone would complain if Luffy were to make a journey from what is basically a lot weaker than DD to (we can assume even) above Roger level in the course of part 2? it is not unreasonable to think that there will be no 2nd major time-skip

It would make perfect sense if Luffy would in fact beat Doflamingo

on the other side it would also make sense if he were weaker

post TS Luffy has no feats and not even any real hype as to what he has done so far, the best estimation of his power is probably Law because the most sensible thing to do is have Luffy be>= to Law, so I think we can safely say he is on Law's level and It's very possible that he is stronger

but it is impossible to say by how much, he could be = to Law or >> to Law