[Question] Why is Oda so harsh on Sanji?

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He seems to be harsher on Sanji than Zoro or Luffy.

Personally when Zoro got his first bounty I would've liked Sanji to get one too, I found it stupid that he didn't get one. And then there's his wanted poster which looks like a badly drawn pre-reconstruction Duval! He was also excluded from the supernova of the worst generation even though he was strong enough and worthy of a higher bounty. So he's really been hard done by Oda.

Why do you think he's been hard done by?

I think Oda's trying to seperate Zoro and Sanji in terms of power and make it far more clear to the fans. He was also introduced and used comically during the early stages of One Piece. So I guess it's become a running gag for Sanji to have tough luck...
 

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I agree that Oda is trying to separate them. As for the bounty, Zoro is just ruthless, and he already had a rep as the pirate hunter prior to joining Luffy. I'd assume the marines just paid more attention when they found it who he was and didn't take notice of Sanji immediately. Still think he should have been a supernova as well though.
 

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I agree. I think one if his gags is getting the short straw in every situation. Women is a great example.
Plus also because Oda is trying to make it clear to fans him and Zoro are not equal in terms of power.
 

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Oda knows that if he gives Sanji too much attention that the fans won't be able to handle it. Remember guys Sanji > Zoro. U_U
 

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Oda knows that if he gives Sanji too much attention that the fans won't be able to handle it. Remember guys Sanji > Zoro. U_U

That wasn't biased at all but no. Zoro>> Sanji now and always. U_U
 

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That wasn't biased at all but no. Zoro>> Sanji now and always. U_U

The gap isn't that big, it's hardly noticeable. The only way we know is because Oda segregates Sanji from the other two members of the M3.

I just feel like when Luffy became a Supernova the crews bounties should've been:
Luffy - 100 mil
Robin - 79 mil
Zoro - 60 mil
Sanji - 55 mil

But Oda had to be harsh on the blondie...
 

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The gap isn't that big, it's hardly noticeable. The only way we know is because Oda segregates Sanji from the other two members of the M3.

I just feel like when Luffy became a Supernova the crews bounties should've been:
Luffy - 100 mil
Robin - 79 mil
Zoro - 60 mil
Sanji - 55 mil

But Oda had to be harsh on the blondie...
i wasn't talking about strength, i was talking about awesomeness.
 

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Sanji needs a break. Let him turn into a royally mighty Casanova for an arc at very least.
 

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You just pretty much answered your own question.
 

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And I was thinking sanji was the getting his due in the recent chapters,

1 Mermaid island with quite a few gorgeous mermaids + Mermaid princess.
2 PH - He actually got into Nami's body after the swap - what are the chances of this happening.
3 Dressrosa - Gets a girlfriend who kisses him.

The ero cook is actually on a roll.
 

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I agree. I think Sanji got treated horribly against Joker. I din't expect Sanji to win or badly damage Joker, but damn, he got taken down so pitifully. I think Oda is gonna have him do some cool, redeeming shit against Big Mom's men.
 

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I agree,goddamn it Oda give the guy a rest.
Btw about Sanji's poster I read a theory about Sanji being a royalty and shit,who knows we might get more development from Sanji and his past.
 

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Sanji had so many epic moments over the last 2 arcs: saving Tashigi from Vergo, saving Strawhats from Doffy and last but not least, Sanji wanting to fight back against Big Mom's ship.

I feel like he is growing closer to Zoro, but not everybody agrees with me on that. He needs a higher bounty and one thats closer to Zoro, but he doesnt have that ruthlessness that Zoro has. Sanji has a more normal/(nice guy?) personality, while Zoro's personality is one of a wild beast.
 

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I don't think Oda is harsh on Sanji...
ok maybe the part where he spent two year in okama hell was harsh :p
On a serious note, I believe Sanji has his moments as much as Zoro does. Due to his personality I think there are moments that Sanji gets more attention for his mellorines habits. As Anduril said above, the last arcs Oda is sorta making up for his 2 years train in Momoiro island.

Also, don't forget that Zoro was the first nakama. He was the first step taken for Luffy's pirate adventure. Before he became a pirate he was already strong and famous as a bounty hunter. Sanji name was unheard all that time. Plus, don't forget that Luffy and Zoro caused a ruckus on a marine base before they even begin their journey. They were known among the marines, it was easier for the government to gather more info about them and estimate them as more dangerous and bounty worthy.

About the picture of the posters, I highly doubt Zoro would pay any attention if it was an actual picture or a drawn image. Sanji is the one who pays attention in such details, hence he became the target of the picture gag.

Lastly, I do believe that Oda tries to separate them but not that much in the term of strength but more on their role in the crew. Not in a way that downgrades Sanji, but he places Zoro more as person to keep Luffy's dream and goals connected when things get rough.
Zoro was the one who sacrificed for Luffy and the rest of the crew, he was the one who had an argument for Usopp's return (due to the fact that they can't have a person who take the crew and the captain so lightly to fight and give up on them) and most of the times Zoro is the one who talks/screams to Luffy to keep it together and concentrate on the goal (like in Punk Hazard). So their role might be slightly different on the crew but I don't think that indicates that Sanji is less important than Zoro.

And of course Zoro>Sanji U_U
 

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You just pretty much answered your own question.
And I also asked for your answers. An open question can have multiple answers (Infact, an infinite amount of answers), thank you Mr Helpful :)

And I was thinking sanji was the getting his due in the recent chapters,

1 Mermaid island with quite a few gorgeous mermaids + Mermaid princess.
2 PH - He actually got into Nami's body after the swap - what are the chances of this happening.
3 Dressrosa - Gets a girlfriend who kisses him.

The ero cook is actually on a roll.
True. But he's been injured and therefore was losing to Vergo and was hindered and lost to Doffy faster than he should've.

I don't think Oda is harsh on Sanji...
ok maybe the part where he spent two year in okama hell was harsh :p
So you just contradicted yourself?

On a serious note, I believe Sanji has his moments as much as Zoro does. Due to his personality I think there are moments that Sanji gets more attention for his mellorines habits. As Anduril said above, the last arcs Oda is sorta making up for his 2 years train in Momoiro island.
Sanji has less moments than Zoro and Luffy, only recently has he had a few whereas Luffy and Zoro get those moments all the time.

Also, don't forget that Zoro was the first nakama. He was the first step taken for Luffy's pirate adventure. Before he became a pirate he was already strong and famous as a bounty hunter. Sanji name was unheard all that time. Plus, don't forget that Luffy and Zoro caused a ruckus on a marine base before they even begin their journey. They were known among the marines, it was easier for the government to gather more info about them and estimate them as more dangerous and bounty worthy.
Order of Nakama shouldn't change things. That doesn't quite work since going by order of Nakam Sanji should have a bounty lower than Nami's and Usopps. Sanji was already notorious as being the second highest ranking Chef at the Baratie so he had a claim to fame already as well. The ruckus on an east blue fodder Marine base isn't really all that impressive.

About the picture of the posters, I highly doubt Zoro would pay any attention if it was an actual picture or a drawn image. Sanji is the one who pays attention in such details, hence he became the target of the picture gag
So basically what you're saying is Sanji is targeted by Oda... (And earlier you said you don't think he's harsh on Sanji??)

Lastly, I do believe that Oda tries to separate them but not that much in the term of strength but more on their role in the crew. Not in a way that downgrades Sanji, but he places Zoro more as person to keep Luffy's dream and goals connected when things get rough.
I don't see the relation between someone upholding Luffy's dreams and segregation of Supernova status.

Zoro was the one who sacrificed for Luffy and the rest of the crew, he was the one who had an argument for Usopp's return (due to the fact that they can't have a person who take the crew and the captain so lightly to fight and give up on them) and most of the times Zoro is the one who talks/screams to Luffy to keep it together and concentrate on the goal (like in Punk Hazard). So their role might be slightly different on the crew but I don't think that indicates that Sanji is less important than Zoro.
Sanji screams at Luffy a lot too. If it wasn't for him (he seems to play the role as captain half the time) the crew would fall apart. Sanji and Zoro are both equally important, so again because you were given the impression that Zoro is more important than Sanji it kinda means you're going against your own word believing "Oda isn't harsh on Sanji"...

And of course Zoro>Sanji U_U
Obviously.
 

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So you just contradicted yourself?
It was a joke?
No Oda wasn't harsh on Sanji. If someone had a hard time that was Luffy. Half dead and trying to get over his brother death.
Sanji was on a rough situation. So what? All strawhats had gone through hard times. Zoro almost died for Luffy. Robin faced imprisonment and was chased years by the navy. Nami was working for the person who killed her mother. Everyone had their issues. Sanji was in "hell" as he claims but in reality he was in a place safe, he could train, he had food, water and everything he needed and after that he was reunited with his friends in a place full of mermaids. I think that balance the scale.

Sanji has less moments than Zoro and Luffy, only recently has he had a few whereas Luffy and Zoro get those moments all the time.
Hmm no? Luffy is the protagonist, only natural to have more moments. Zoro is generally more quite and indifferent. In the crew moments when they are all together I believe Sanji has more moments, if not the same with Zoro. Generally, I think Zoro had more intense moments than Sanji, and maybe that's the reason it strikes as if Sanji has less moments. On the other hand it depends on how you approach the series and on your point of view.

Order of Nakama shouldn't change things. That doesn't quite work since going by order of Nakam Sanji should have a bounty lower than Nami's and Usopps. Sanji was already notorious as being the second highest ranking Chef at the Baratie so he had a claim to fame already as well. The ruckus on an east blue fodder Marine base isn't really all that impressive.
I never said that the order of joining has anything to do with the bounty. I only said that Zoro spent more time with Luffy where they got into situations that caused a ruckus so it's natural that people have heard more of Zoro and Luffy.
Also, I never said it was impressive but it was a marine base. If you can't see the connection to why an incident in a marine base it's more likely to get more attention considering the bounties, than let's say an incident among pirates, I don't think I can explain any further.
Lastly, Sanji was famous as a chef at a certain place. Zoro was famous as a bounty haunter and he was wondering around the sea. Zoro's name was more connected with fights,strength etc than Sanji's.

So basically what you're saying is Sanji is targeted by Oda... (And earlier you said you don't think he's harsh on Sanji??)
Every strawhat is targeted by Oda on a particular thing. Zoro can't walk 50 meters without getting lost. Yet he always wanders alone. Nami loves belli yet somehow the treasure they find never ends up on her hands. Usopp is scared of everything yet most times he ends up on the most dangerous situation he can think of. All characters have different characteristics and Oda use those to make funny and humorous situations. I don't see why you expect Sanji to be an exception.

I don't see the relation between someone upholding Luffy's dreams and segregation of Supernova status
I already explained that. Zoro was famous even before joining Luffy, he was know to be hard and ruthless, people though he was evil and they were scared of him. He had a certain fame. He got a bounty earlier due to his previous fame and then after every incident it kept rising.
Zoro informal is the first mate. Other people outside of the crew, even in the marines view him as such. That's another reason for higher bounty.
Sanji screams at Luffy a lot too. If it wasn't for him (he seems to play the role as captain half the time) the crew would fall apart. Sanji and Zoro are both equally important, so again because you were given the impression that Zoro is more important than Sanji it kinda means you're going against your own word believing "Oda isn't harsh on Sanji.
I never said that one is more important than the other. I only said that they play different roles in the crew. Also, you can't expect Oda to put so many Supernovas in one crew. It would just seem as the other Supernova's crew were fodders. Some things are written that way to serve the plot, that doesn't mean that Oda targets one character and favors another.

Obviously.

As for the Sanji vs Doflamingo you have to look at it more realistic. Sanji had zero information on Doflamingo's powers and he had to protect the crew. He easily fell into DD power due to the fact that he lacked knowledge. Other than that, Sanji is a very smart fighter. If he was to fight again DD he sure would figure out a way to counter his power. I am not saying that he can win, but he can sure put a more descent fight against him. As for Vergo he was a haki monster and Sanji didn't even fight him. His goal was to save Tashigi and keep them moving. He just left after he kicked Vergo into a freaking wall, what more could he do?
 

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maybe oda has big plans for him, We all know that when they have the Wano country arc, its going to be centered on Zoro, since he is a Swordsman, then they might have an "All blue" arc, or something that pertains to Sanji in which he Gains a Powerup.

There is still a lot that we haven't seen from sanji, and he lost to DD with no intel whatsoever, fought DD right under the clouds, where DD can use his strings to control people.
 

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I agree, he should have a bigger bounty, but his feats are only strenght, unlike zoro sanji uses his wits at all times.

1- in Arabasta he pulled a fast one over crocodile under the allias of mrs Prince and saved the whole crew.
2- in Skypedia he disapeared only for us to later find out that he broke Maxim and pissed Enel a lot, saving once again Luffy
3- in Enies Lobby he again disapeared to close the gates of justice creating whilrpools next to the marines.
4- and now he uncovered Dofla's plan instead of letting their plans leak as Dofla wanted to

I'm sure there is more, but I'm to lazy to look for it, my point is his attributs go beyond strenght and that where Oda gives him his value, although I still agree with everything you said
 

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Well yeah, it is a running gag, but it is fitting. Sanji is not the sort of person to go out and cause a commotion, like Luffy and Zoro. He is Mr Prince, he is the bishop of the team. He goes diagonally when everyone goes straight forward, and works on the background to make that one crucial thing happen, besides taking out the big bad. Do not forget that, over the whole Arabasta Saga, Sanji's face was completely hidden, and he worked in the shadows up until the Casino scene. So his bounty is a demonstration of that, along with the fact that, above every one, Sanji would be the one most worked up about having a poorly drawn bounty picture, such as it makes sense Nami would pose for hers, and chopper would get a "pet" bounty.

Zoro, not Sanji, has an infamous popularity, with him being known through the whole Eastern Blue as the Pirate Hunter, and he has been with Luffy since the begining, only enhancing its infamy. But, most of all, he is a Supernova because everyone is extremely confused to find out he is not the captain, because he doesn't have the personality to follow. That's the image Zoro has to the government. Pointing out stuff that happened on the government's blind spot isn't a good argument, you have to look at it from their perspective, and Oda does a very good job at it, while still throwing the gags whenever he can.
 
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