Tsunade, Shizune and Sakura vs Hiashi

[BenjerminGaye]

Ahhh okok i remember that, probably that Mini-Bijuu was too big to die in that attack, or maybe it appeared after the attack... I don't know that either... Do you?

Well according too most sakura fans every clone got destroyed in that attack. So that means:
A) the clone along with naruto and sasuke were outside the aoe of the attack, and it got to her before either of the two(who are already known for their speed) could.

OR

B) the punch isn't as strong as you guys claim it to be.

 

[Waltz]

@Keimil: Itachi became a Chunin at 10 and the Captain of the Anbu at 13, he was apart of the Anbu prior to that. ​

That seems inconsistent though... Seeing as itachi was anbu at 13 and we know he wasn't part of konoha when he was in akatsuki.

It seems that way given Hiruzen statement to Sasuke but then again, Hiruzen didn't know when Itachi sought out and found Obito....the same individual who assisted him in the Massacre at 13. It only implies that Itachi was affiliated with the Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. ​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Keimil: Itachi became a Chunin at 10 and the Captain of the Anbu at 13, he was apart of the Anbu prior to that. ​

Even so soloing oro at 14.... I can't even hate him anymore. The wank is realer that rockstar madara.

 

[Keimil]

I didn't know itachi solo'd a grown ass, 40+ Y/o sannin when he was only 11. Dayum, ma nigga deserve dat wank

That seems inconsistent though... Seeing as itachi was anbu at 13 and we know he wasn't part of konoha when he was in akatsuki.

Exactly, maybe Orochimaru didn't leave Akatsuki when he got defeated by Itachi, and just started working with Sasori instead.
Also, this doesn't look like a 8/10 years old to me:

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@Keimil: Itachi became a Chunin at 10 and the Captain of the Anbu at 13, he was apart of the Anbu prior to that. ​

Ok, thanks?

Well according too most sakura fans every clone got destroyed in that attack. So that means:
A) the clone along with naruto and sasuke were outside the aoe of the attack, and it got to her before either of the two(who are already known for their speed) could.

OR

B) the punch isn't as strong as you guys claim it to be.

Maybe, those are possibilities too. That was a big Mini-bijuu though...

 

[Murasame]

Exactly, maybe Orochimaru didn't leave Akatsuki when he got defeated by Itachi, and just started working with Sasori instead.
Also, this doesn't look like a 8/10 years old to me:

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Ok, thanks?

Maybe, those are possibilities too. That was a big Mini-bijuu though...

Look how short he is compared to Danzo and Tobi.. he may not look it but he is based on what Waltz said.

 

[Waltz]

Even so soloing oro at 14.... I can't even hate him anymore. The wank is realer that rockstar madara.

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That seems inconsistent though... Seeing as itachi was anbu at 13 and we know he wasn't part of konoha when he was in akatsuki.

It seems that way given Hiruzen's statement to Sasuke but then again, Hiruzen didn't know when Itachi sought out and found Obito....the same individual who assisted him in the Massacre at 13. It only implies that Itachi was affiliated with the Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. ​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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It seems that way given Hiruzen's statement to Sasuke but then again, Hiruzen didn't know when Itachi sought out and found Obito....the same individual who assisted him in the Massacre at 13. It only implies that Itachi was affiliated with the Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. ​

Didn't he seek him out after his conversion with danzo?

 

[Keimil]

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It seems that way given Hiruzen's statement to Sasuke but then again, Hiruzen didn't know when Itachi sought out and found Obito....the same individual who assisted him in the Massacre at 13. It only implies that Itachi was affiliated with the Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. ​

But here they don't seem to have been working together for 2 years, and seems to be right before the Uchiha Massacre.

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[AGoodBoy]

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It seems that way given Hiruzen's statement to Sasuke but then again, Hiruzen didn't know when Itachi sought out and found Obito....the same individual who assisted him in the Massacre at 13. It only implies that Itachi was affiliated with the Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. ​

Though this is also possible, Tobi seemed to have no idea how itachi found him out when itachi requested his assistance for the uchiha massacre(13 years old). It would seem strange that Itachi were a part of Akatsuki without obito's knowledge. Then again, it's entirely possibly given itachi was a double agent without the uchiha knowing, while tobi might have had very loose ties with akatsuki until he later joined; which is another good possibility seeing as he was 'the mizukage' at that time...

Didn't he seek him out after his conversion with danzo?

But here they don't seem to have been working together for 2 years, and seems to be right before the Uchiha Massacre.

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To be fair, Tobi was controlling Yagura at that time and pretending to be the mizukage. Also, he wasn't part of the akatsuki and probably only had zetsu relaying info. Tobi never really said he didn't know about itachi, after all, he simply asked how itachi knew about him...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Exactly, maybe Orochimaru didn't leave Akatsuki when he got defeated by Itachi, and just started working with Sasori instead.
Also, this doesn't look like a 8/10 years old to me:

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Ok, thanks?

Maybe, those are possibilities too. That was a big Mini-bijuu though...

If that's the case then we really can't say for sure which clones got destroyed and which didn't even though they were all juggled by the rocks launching them up. They could have fell right back down just like the mini clone that you claimed was to big to die. Adding more credibility to this is the fact that sakura took no damage. The only clone we know for a fact died is the one sakura has to punch twice.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Though this is also possible, Tobi seemed to have no idea how itachi found him out when itachi requested his assistance for the uchiha massacre(13 years old). It would seem strange that Itachi were a part of Akatsuki without obito's knowledge. Then again, it's entirely possibly given itachi was a double agent without the uchiha knowing, while tobi might have had very loose ties with akatsuki until he later joined; which is another good possibility seeing as he was 'the mizukage' at that time...





To be fair, Tobi was controlling Yagura at that time and pretending to be the mizukage. Also, he wasn't part of the akatsuki and probably only had zetsu relaying info. Tobi never really said he didn't know about itachi, after all, he simply asked how itachi knew about him...

I guess ur right. Dat itachi.

 

[Keimil]

If that's the case then we really can't say for sure which clones got destroyed and which didn't even though they were all juggled by the rocks launching them up. They could have fell right back down just like the mini clone that you claimed was to big to die. Adding more credibility to this is the fact that sakura took no damage. The only clone we know for a fact died is the one sakura has to punch twice.

Ok, I don't know where you got this discussion, one moment we were debating about CES and how it works, and the lack of relevance of jumping, and now we are debating about how much damage does the shock-wave explosion caused by Sakura's CES.
Said that, there is no actual proof of how damage it caused to each monster, my guess would be in the central area of the attack, the average-sized monsters died instantly, and the ones that were outside that area resulted damaged differently, but it's just my opinion, you can have a different one, and it would be as valid as mine.

PD: I don't understand anything about Itachi now, the information we are managing is full of inconsistencies and time gaps...

 

[miromiro]

That's assuming hyuuga can even be chosen as hokage. With all the main/branch family politics of the hyuuga clan, I wouldn't be surprised if it was forbidden for them to be chosen for hokage.

Anyone can be chosen as Hokage as long as he's / she's birth in the village and has most power of all shinobi from the village. And maybe be wise.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Anyone can be chosen as Hokage as long as he's / she's birth in the village and has most power of all shinobi from the village. And maybe be wise.

uhhh no. Neji can never be hokage because he's branch family - basically a slave. So there's nothing suggest main family even allow their member, or any hyuuga members in general to be in any position of leadership outside that of the clan. Considering the

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and all for clan stuff.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ok, I don't know where you got this discussion, one moment we were debating about CES and how it works, and the lack of relevance of jumping, and now we are debating about how much damage does the shock-wave explosion caused by Sakura's CES.
Said that, there is no actual proof of how damage it caused to each monster, my guess would be in the central area of the attack, the average-sized monsters died instantly, and the ones that were outside that area resulted damaged differently, but it's just my opinion, you can have a different one, and it would be as valid as mine.

PD: I don't understand anything about Itachi now, the information we are managing is full of inconsistencies and time gaps...

I already conceded to her not needing to jump.
What's up in the air right now is whether her attack has aoe or not. Seeing as how:
A) the juubi clone that got behind her took no damage from her punch.
B)she takes no damage from her punch
C)kakashi who was underground the first time she did it took no damage from her punch
D)naruto who was in the affected area the first time she did took no damage.

Even when she destroyed hiruko sasori's human puppet body should have taken damae as well seeing as how according to most her punches have aoe even though this mountain of evidence proves otherwise.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

uhhh no. Neji can never be hokage because he's branch family - basically a slave. So there's nothing suggest main family even allow their member, or any hyuuga members in general to be in any position of leadership outside that of the clan. Considering the

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and all for clan stuff.

They only missed it cuz It was hinatas birthday. Says it right there in the scan.

 

[Murasame]

No, that is not what i said, I said the fact that he was 17-18 year old in part 1 doesn't make a true what you are saying about Itachi defeating Orochimaru at 13 years old. That's all... We have very limited information about when that happened and you just decided to believe whatever you want, just because there is no further information, and that's ok, it's your opinion, but you can't bring it into a debate claiming that is a fact and demanding everyone have to believe it.

Okay last post I'm making just because this post was ridiculous. I'm not sure why you're even replying to me if you don't comprehend what I'm saying at all.. you completely twist what I say to you what you believe I'm saying.
First of all nowhere am I forcing on you or anyone else what I'm saying as fact.
"No but I'm sure he was still 13. But believe what you want I suppose."
That's what I said in my previous post.^^
@bold in your post. I clearly said in my other previous post that "Well I'm sure enough that he was in below 17-18 years of age when it happened" I never stated in that post that he was exactly 13 just that he was surely not 17-18. So I don't know why the hell you even bothered saying that.

Anyways it seems you don't like the fact that Itachi defeated Orochimaru at a young age and don't want to believe it. Thats fine thats on you.

edit: if you're going to reply at least reply correctly U_U

 

[Keimil]

I already conceded to her not needing to jump.
What's up in the air right now is whether her attack has aoe or not. Seeing as how:
A) the juubi clone that got behind her took no damage from her punch.
B)she takes no damage from her punch
C)kakashi who was underground the first time she did it took no damage from her punch
D)naruto who was in the affected area the first time she did took no damage.

Even when she destroyed hiruko sasori's human puppet body should have taken damae as well seeing as how according to most her punches have aoe even though this mountain of evidence proves otherwise.

A) It's not quite clear to me... There was too much dust in the air, and that didn't let the readers appreciate it, if that's the case. However, we are assuming that the huge monster was there from the beginning, cause I certainly don't see it, do you?

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B) Agreed.
C) Agreed, It was a soft punch, comparing with what she can do now.
D) Agreed.

Okay last post I'm making just because this post was ridiculous. I'm not sure why you're even replying to me if you don't comprehend what I'm saying at all.. you completely twist what I say to you what you believe I'm saying.
First of all nowhere am I forcing on you or anyone else what I'm saying as fact.
"No but I'm sure he was still 13. But believe what you want I suppose."
That's what I said in my previous post.^^
@bold in your post. I clearly said in my other previous post that "Well I'm sure enough that he was in below 17-18 years of age when it happened" I never stated in that post that he was exactly 13 just that he was surely not 17-18. So I don't know why the hell you even bothered saying that.

Anyways it seems you don't like the fact that Itachi defeated Orochimaru at a young age and don't want to believe it. Thats fine thats on you.

edit: if you're going to reply at least reply correctly U_U

Of course, i completely understand that you believe that way!! And I support you!
But we are in debate here, and you provided your opinion to support your point (in your earlier posts), and that is not valid to me.

This is not about me liking or disliking events of the manga, it's about managing true and canonical information when you are debating with someone, and I wanted to know if that was actually canon because i ignored that completely.

This was our conversation:

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Well I'm sure enough that he was in below 17-18 years of age when it happened because in part 1 he was listed to be that age.
Also he knew of Tobi who was thought to be Madara when he was 13 so I see no reason why he wouldn't join shortly to keep an eye on him.

That doesn't make your opinion a fact, sorry, has nothing to do with it.

Really? Where was that stated? Even if it's true you still have to prove the period that Itachi spent with Orochimaru as teammates in Akatsuki.

It's my opinion that he was listed to be 17-18 in part 1 Naruto?
Unless you believe that Itachi defeated Orochimaru during Part 1 then idk lmfao.

Why don't you go look yourself? I'm tired of looking for info for you.

No, that is not what i said, I said the fact that he was 17-18 year old in part 1 doesn't make a true what you are saying about Itachi defeating Orochimaru at 13 years old. That's all... We have very limited information about when that happened and you just decided to believe whatever you want, just because there is no further information, and that's ok, it's your opinion, but you can't bring it into a debate claiming that is a fact and demanding everyone have to believe it.

And now you replyed...

I never tried to offend you, I think we are having a misunderstanding here...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

A) It's not quite clear to me... There was too much dust in the air, and that didn't let the readers appreciate it, if that's the case. However, we are assuming that the huge monster was there from the beginning, cause I certainly don't see it, do you?

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B) Agreed.
C) Agreed, It was a soft punch, comparing with what she can do now.
D) Agreed.

Look at that scan. When she punches it initially it goes between naruto and sasuke and creates the same dust cloud effect that her second earth shattering punch creates. Yet naruto and sasuke took no damage from it. And I already explained the monsters situation. Either it tanked the dust cloud or it moved faster than anyone in team 7 can notice.

 

[Keimil]

Look at that scan. When she punches it initially it goes between naruto and sasuke and creates the same dust cloud effect that her second earth shattering punch creates. Yet naruto and sasuke took no damage from it. And I already explained the monsters situation. Either it tanked the dust cloud or it moved faster than anyone in team 7 can notice.

Naruto and Sasuke were not that close, look at the bottom panel, they didn't flew away like the Mini-Juubis did when she reached the ground...
I still don't see that giant Mini-Juubi in the scan, probably approached her after the attack or maybe the average sized monsters gather up and turned into that, I certainly don't know, you should send a letter to Kishi, I am not him, you are free to think whatever you want about stuff that are not implied in the manga.

PD: Also, if you look here you would see in the center-bottom panel some average-sized mini-juubis dead in the floor:

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And behind there are another huge ones, unharmed. The ones that couldn't be seen before Sakura's jutsu impacted. Maybe the Anime will clear this up.