[Theory] EMS more OP than we thought? (Current manga related)

[TheTailedSage]

What do you mean by that

Since when did sasuke have zetsu inside of him :s

Let me explain things to you. Think of MS as a flashlight with weak batteries. Obviously this is going to lose it's "light".

EMS is like taking that flashlight and placing in some self recharging batteries that will never lose said light.

Izanagi and Izanami are like burning out those batteries as the trade off for such a powerful tech.

They'll take away sight regardless as the technique themselves seal the sharingan away.

That was a poor example because If something is permanent then it means it cannot be erased. We have only seen MS and 3T use it as for EMS not even itachi knows because no one with EMS (Madara is the only one to have achieved it) has been said to use it.

Rinnegan user can use Izanagi as much as he want without going blind, proof? SO6P did use it without going blind.

and as for EMS, yes he can go blind. Imagine sasuke using Izanagi without going blind, easily strongest after SO6P himself.

Sasuke cant use Nagi. just because it makes them op doesn't make it false, ive given all the facts though. when did the sage use it?

 

[Retsu]

Since when did sasuke have zetsu inside of him :s



That was a poor example because If something is permanent then it means it cannot be erased. We have only seen MS and 3T use it as for EMS not even itachi knows because no one with EMS (Madara is the only one to have achieved it) has been said to use it.



Sasuke cant use Nagi. just because it makes them op doesn't make it false, ive given all the facts though. when did the sage use it?

If maddy had a permanent Izanagi he would not have lost, and it's obvious kishi wouldn't allow such a broken tech in the manga.

 

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If maddy had a permanent Izanagi he would not have lost, and it's obvious kishi wouldn't allow such a broken tech in the manga.

exactly its not that sasuke cant use izanagi, its the fact that he wouldnt have a extend period of time over it like obito did since obito had senju dna.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Since when did sasuke have zetsu inside of him :s

Since obito decded to attach them there

 

[omarsen]

Sasuke cant use Nagi. just because it makes them op doesn't make it false, ive given all the facts though. when did the sage use it?

The manga will be broken if such high tech is used easily

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[TheTailedSage]

If maddy had a permanent Izanagi he would not have lost, and it's obvious kishi wouldn't allow such a broken tech in the manga.

When did he lose?? People keep referring back to the Hashi fight when he had NO hashi cells.

 

[TheTailedSage]

If maddy had a permanent Izanagi he would not have lost, and it's obvious kishi wouldn't allow such a broken tech in the manga.

When did he lose?? People keep referring back to the Hashi fight when he had NO hashi cells.

It was broken when madara used Rinnengan and MS techs w/o eyes

Since obito decded to attach them there

Nice try

exactly its not that sasuke cant use izanagi, its the fact that he wouldnt have a extend period of time over it like obito did since obito had senju dna.

If he doesnt have Senju DNA then he CANT use it. HE needs the DNA before he can use it which i dont see him getting

 

[Retsu]

When did he lose?? People keep referring back to the Hashi fight when he had NO hashi cells.

It was broken when madara used Rinnengan and MS techs w/o eyes

Had to edit my post, but I see what you mean, still, I doubt kishi would put true invincibility in the manga.

 

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If he doesnt have Senju DNA then he CANT use it. HE needs the DNA before he can use it which i dont see him getting

was it said senju dna is a requirement for izanagi ? no, else how would the previous uchiha develop the jutsu?
its said to be FULL use of the technique senju dna. thats how obito was able to use it for 10 minutes while danzo was only able to do it for 60 seconds.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Had to edit my post, but I see what you mean, still, I doubt kishi would put true invincibility in the manga.

He's gone as far as giving him Rinnengan and Sharingan techs w/o the eyes and a new tech ONLY madaras has capable of pushing back Biju. He's already fake LOL

 

[TheTailedSage]

was it said senju dna is a requirement for izanagi ? no, else how would the previous uchiha develop the jutsu?
its said to be FULL use of the technique senju dna. thats how obito was able to use it for 10 minutes while danzo was only able to do it for 60 seconds.

No one other than Obito, Danzo and Madara have used it what are you talking about?

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could have swore i specified this in the thread at least twice. Obito uses kamui for 10 minutes not Izanagi LOL what are you on mate??

Edited: wait your right Izanami was a counter for Izanami but then its obvious people in the past have had the same idea of taking Senju DNA

 

[omarsen]

was it said senju dna is a requirement for izanagi ? no, else how would the previous uchiha develop the jutsu?
its said to be FULL use of the technique senju dna. thats how obito was able to use it for 10 minutes while danzo was only able to do it for 60 seconds.

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No one other than Obito, Danzo and Madara have used it what are you talking about?

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could have swore i specified this in the thread at least twice. Obito uses kamui for 10 minutes not Izanagi LOL what are you on mate??

so explain this to me then was itachi referring to obito , danzo and madara here?

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[TheTailedSage]

so explain this to me then was itachi referring to obito , danzo and madara here?

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Yes i edited that bit before you posed, read my post again to see the edit

 

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Yes i edited that bit before you posed, read my post again to see the edit

uh no where was it implied that any uchiha before madara had senju dna.

 

[omarsen]

so explain this to me then was itachi referring to obito , danzo and madara here?

Who said they didn't have Senju DNA? Since SO6P died there has past 1000 years or more, before we are introduced to Madara / Hashirama. People in the past knew about Senju+Uchiha grants you power, thats why Madara implanted Hashirama's DNA and said nothing happened at the begning.

 

[TheTailedSage]

uh no where was it implied that any uchiha before madara had senju dna.

Going off manga facts alone (Madaras knowledge of the matter) you NEED senju dna to do it. The sage was able to do it because he had it. It is then obvious that people tried to do this and then mimic nagi by implanting Senju dna into themselves. It doesnt need to be stated if its well implied.

 

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Who said they didn't have Senju DNA? Since SO6P died there has past 1000 years or more, before we are introduced to Madara / Hashirama. People in the past knew about Senju+Uchiha grants you power, thats why Madara implanted Hashirama's DNA and said nothing happened at the begning.

you're assuming they did with nothing to back it up no where was it stated that any other uchiha had senju dna, even madara didnt inject him self with senju dna for izanagi, he did it to obtain rinnegan the other uchiha used izanagi because of arrogance to change the outcome of battles.

 

[omarsen]

you're assuming they did with nothing to back it up no where was it stated that any other uchiha had senju dna, even madara didnt inject him self with senju dna for izanagi, he did it to obtain rinnegan the other uchiha used izanagi because of arrogance to change the outcome of battles.

And where is it stated that you DON'T need both powers to perform it? It is known that the Uchiha fought against the Senju, since the "curse of hatred" triggered, so? Somebody before Madara, knew about senju+uchiha.


If you put togther Senju and Uchiha's abilites, you might be able to obtain power never seen before.

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Edit: rest my case here wont go any further.

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[AlphaScythian]

And where is it stated that you DON'T need both powers to perform it? It is known that the Uchiha fought against the Senju, since the "curse of hatred" triggered, so? Somebody before Madara, knew about senju+uchiha.
If you put togther Senju and Uchiha's abilites, you might be able to obtain power never seen before.

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If you refer to kamui? Obito unlocked intangibility w/o senju.
Kakashi isnt senju either i guess.