Izanagi

[Retsu]

Uchiha's and Senju's fought like crips and bloods, at the time it would have been easy to acquire senju dna and don't believe the nonsense about perfect/non-perfect izanagi as that is pure fanfic. Manga states you need both powers to used the tech period.

 

[Shindo]

lmao dude, you just keep denying manga facts, eventho i showed you scan, ignorance is a bliss

Itachi used Izanami without Senju DNA, Izanami is basically a brother/sister jutsu to Izanagi, you're not making any sense here, if Itachi used a jutsu in relation to Izanagi why can't he use Izanagi?

 

[Retsu]

Itachi used Izanami without Senju DNA, Izanami is basically a brother/sister jutsu to Izanagi, you're not making any sense here, if Itachi used a jutsu in relation to Izanagi why can't he use Izanagi?

It was never stated you needed Senju DNA for Izanami, only Izanagi. Manga>Opinion

 

[omarsen]

Uchiha's and Senju's fought like crips and bloods, at the time it would have been easy to acquire senju dna and don't believe the nonsense about perfect/non-perfect izanagi as that is pure fanfic. Manga states you need both powers to used the tech period.

Thank god some1 with common sense,

Itachi used Izanami without Senju DNA, Izanami is basically a brother/sister jutsu to Izanagi, you're not making any sense here, if Itachi used a jutsu in relation to Izanagi why can't he use Izanagi?

Izanami is fodder compared to Izanagi, I don't care if they were brother/sister or lovers. Izanami got nothing to do with Izanagi, and Izanami only require Uchiha. meanwhile Izanagi require both.

Show me a scan where Izanagi is performed without both powers

 

[Shindo]

It was never stated you needed Senju DNA for Izanami, only Izanagi. Manga>Opinion

Not an opinion it's an educated guess, and what's the reasoning behind it? Just because it doesn't say that doesn't necessarily mean it's not true.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

lmao dude, you just keep denying manga facts, eventho i showed you scan, ignorance is a bliss

Hey dude read up

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[Ahmed1993]

Also Izanami a Kinjutsu that Yes Izanami doesn't require both power but izanagi sure does, it is the most powerful amongst this type of genjutsu, do you think that fodders with only uchiha blood can go around and perform this jutsu?

Sharingan = Eyes = Uchiha
Senju = Wood from Hashirama
Now what did Danzou have? He had Sharingan + Wood release = Uchiha + Senju

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Read the above

Izanami is > Izanagi , so its the strongest Uchiha Kinjutsu and yet it doesn't require Senju DNA.

And wrong :
Uchiha : Spiritual power and special eyes.
Senju : Physical power and vitality.


I already posted a scan of what Obito said , in the Danzo fight he is explaining Izanagi so he has no reason for lying.
But in the other scan he was talking to Konan and considering his liar status , his wining position and his love to make people feel despair , he had all reason to hype himself in front of Konan.

And as i said , if it required Senju DNA to be casted , then it would have been labeled as a Rikudo Kenjutsu not Uchiha Kinjutsu.
And if you. still don't believe just wait a few more chapter to see Sasuke use it.

 

[omarsen]

Hey dude read up

Thats because Danzou was fodder, He wasn't Senju nor Uchiha by blood, and he NEVER gained full control over Senju DNA, as you can see it took over his body.

Obito gained full control over the senju DNA. and he is an uchiha by blood = perfect izanagi

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[Retsu]

Not an opinion it's an educated guess, and what's the reasoning behind it? Just because it doesn't say that doesn't necessarily mean it's not true.

Izanagi is WAAAAAY more powerful than Izanami because it alters reality. It's easy to see why one would need senju dna to use the tech. Izanami is nothing but a regular genjutsu that doesn't even affect the outside world. So more than likely it doesn't have such steep requirements as the former. and my bad about being so frank with you, it's just out of habit from being on NB so long, didn't mean anything by it.

 

[omarsen]

Izanami is > Izanagi , so its the strongest Uchiha Kinjutsu and yet it doesn't require Senju DNA.

And wrong :
Uchiha : Spiritual power and special eyes.
Senju : Physical power and vitality.


I already posted a scan of what Obito said , in the Danzo fight he is explaining Izanagi so he has no reason for lying.
But in the other scan he was talking to Konan and considering his liar status , his wining position and his love to make people feel despair , he had all reason to hype himself in front of Konan.

And as i said , if it required Senju DNA to be casted , then it would have been labeled as a Rikudo Kenjutsu not Uchiha Kinjutsu.
And if you. still don't believe just wait a few more chapter to see Sasuke use it.

LOL
Izanagi > Narutoverse.

Izanagi is performed by SO6P himself and require both powers inorder to perform it, its creation of all things.

Izanami is not more powerful, its just counter to the Izanagi.

Izanami works on only those who don't acknowlgde them selfs.

It's a technique invented to save other Uchiha comrades from arrogance and procrastniation

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[Ahmed1993]

Izanagi is WAAAAAY more powerful than Izanami because it alters reality. It's easy to see why one would need senju dna to use the tech. Izanami is nothing but a regular genjutsu that doesn't even affect the outside world. So more than likely it doesn't have such steep requirements as the former. and my bad about being so frank with you, it's just out of habit from being on NB so long, didn't mean anything by it.

Bold XD , remind me why Izanami was created in the first place ?

Ah yes to stop Izanagi.

 

[Ahmed1993]

LOL
Izanagi > Narutoverse.

Izanagi is performed by SO6P himself and require both powers inorder to perform it, its creation of all things.

Izanami is not more powerful, its just counter to the Izanagi.

Izanami works on only those who don't acknowlgde them selfs.

It's a technique invented to save other Uchiha comrades from arrogance and procrastniation

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Izanagi is a limited version of the Banbutso sozo aka creation of all things.

And that's why it stops Izanagi , deal with it.

I said what has to be said in my other post , i won't re say it another time U_U

 

[Retsu]

Bold XD , remind me why Izanami was created in the first place ?

Ah yes to stop Izanagi.

Izanagi can prevent one from dying, obviously from a tactical standpoint it is leagues above Izanami.

 

[omarsen]

Bold XD , remind me why Izanami was created in the first place ?

Ah yes to stop Izanagi.

Madara > Itachi

It's a technique invented to save other Uchiha comrades from arrogance and procrastniation.

So what does that mean? It means you can use Izanagi as much as you want, but if you aren't arrogant and you acknowledge yourself, Izanami wont work on you. It worked on Kabuto because he thought he was the closest one to become the next SO6P.

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[Johndoesknowall]

Thats because Danzou was fodder, He wasn't Senju nor Uchiha by blood, and he NEVER gained full control over Senju DNA, as you can see it took over his body.

Obito gained full control over the senju DNA. and he is an uchiha by blood = perfect izanagi

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Only near the end of his life he couldn't gain control over the Senju DNA.

He had it under control until then. Even Obito doesn't have the perfect form. The sage only had the perfect form since he still had a doujutsu after he had used it several times.

This proves their are different forms of izanagi, and what Obito had was an imperfect form aswell.

 

[VongolaX]

Danzo's inzangi was incomplete because he had only uchiha eyes, not blood/DNA.

As suppose to Tobi who had the eyes and both senju and uchiha blood/dna

 

[Ahmed1993]

Madara > Itachi

It's a technique invented to save other Uchiha comrades from arrogance and procrastniation.

So what does that mean? It means you can use Izanagi as much as you want, but if you aren't arrogant and you acknowledge yourself, Izanami wont work on you. It worked on Kabuto because he thought he was the closest one to become the next SO6P.

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Obito is not Madara , it has nothing to do with arrogance , Izanami works on people that doesn't accept their fate and true self , and i said everything here :

Izanami is > Izanagi , so its the strongest Uchiha Kinjutsu and yet it doesn't require Senju DNA.

And wrong :
Uchiha : Spiritual power and special eyes.
Senju : Physical power and vitality.


I already posted a scan of what Obito said , in the Danzo fight he is explaining Izanagi so he has no reason for lying.
But in the other scan he was talking to Konan and considering his liar status , his wining position and his love to make people feel despair , he had all reason to hype himself in front of Konan.

And as i said , if it required Senju DNA to be casted , then it would have been labeled as a Rikudo Kenjutsu not Uchiha Kinjutsu.
And if you. still don't believe just wait a few more chapter to see Sasuke use it.

Izanagi can prevent one from dying, obviously from a tactical standpoint it is leagues above Izanami.

But still its < Izanami , FACTS , deal with it




I said what has to be said , its not my problem if you don' believe manga facts , i won't reply anymore , bye U_U

 

[omarsen]

Only near the end of his life he couldn't gain control over the Senju DNA.

He had it under control until then. Even Obito doesn't have the perfect form. The sage only had the perfect form since he still had a doujutsu after he had used it several times.

This proves their are different forms of izanagi, and what Obito had was an imperfect form aswell.

Obito was near death against konon, also agaisnt Sasuke&Naruto

Half of obito's body is made from Senju DNA Hashirama's

Obito is pretty much dead, and only thing keeping him alive is BLACK zetsu, yet the DNA of Hashirama didn't try to take control over him.

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Edit: I agree with you Obito's form is not perfect aswell, but that doesn't mean you don't need both powers.

Izanagi needs Uchiha+Senju to do it, simple.

 

[Retsu]

Obito is not Madara , it has nothing to do with arrogance , Izanami works on people that doesn't accept their fate and true self , and i said everything here :









But still its < Izanami , FACTS , deal with it




I said what has to be said , its not my problem if you don' believe manga facts , i won't reply anymore , bye U_U

You're dumb as hell, Izanami wouldn't have saved obito from konan.

Izanami has limited usage while Izanagi can even bring back your dead comrades, no response from you is of little consequence.

 

[omarsen]

Obito is not Madara , it has nothing to do with arrogance , Izanami works on people that doesn't accept their fate and true self , and i said everything here :

But still its < Izanami , FACTS , deal with it

I said what has to be said , its not my problem if you don' believe manga facts , i won't reply anymore , bye U_U

Wow such facts, many scans, very logical wow.
You don't even read the manga, not my fault you can't backup your agruments with manga scan

it has nothing to do with arrogance

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