Is it safe to say Madara>Juubito?

[RikudouMadara]

one more thing to you sir , and everyone who is saying about Juubito's winning :
Masashi Kishimoto has no idea how to defeat Madara, what makes you think that Juubito does?
2. Juubito cant use Kamui in his Jin state

Well....I believe Kishi doesn't know in which way to have Madara defeated, but has oodles of ways to have him defeated. Though you are correct Obito as the Jin cannot use Kamui. Even so.....I do believe Madara can defeat Obito at his strongest.

I just feel Kishi doesn't know which particular way to have Madara defeated that will be most pleasing to his audience. Though...I believe he has many ways to have it done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Again? These Madara fapboys just don't quit. Lol

Madara gets shitted on by Juubito. No form of Madara stands a chance and that includes Current Madara, its the same fapboys plus some others who even think Madara has a chance to win.

My message to all Madara fapboys: Hop off the man's nuts.

 

[dark legion]

[GLOW][/GLOW]

I think Kishi doesn't know how to defeat Madara in the sense that he doesn't know how he should have Madara be defeated yet.

Let it be through a Rasengan to Hashirama's face on his chest or Hashirama dealing the final blow or something entirely different.

Since well you know...Kishi could simply start next week's Manga with Madara on the floor and the shinobi alliance walking away.

exactly ....my friend ..this makes no sense ...

We now Juubito is stronger than Madara ....basing on strength Juubito wins against Madara
the alliance would defeat Madara because they are more in number
but the kishi's problem isn't who is stronger , or how to draw Madara on the floor, but How to get there ..the strategy that must be used ...
Hiddan was immortal ,, but shikamaru defeated him , because of his plan, is strategy ...Im sure that when Madara said Naruto "thank you for saving me the trouble to weak him" that means that Madara planned to defeat Juubito himself...
Why a weak will attack a strong ? cuz he had a plan ....

 

[VongolaX]

Obito said he has the will and body as the sage.

Meaning you take the special chakra of the two clans:

Madara's will manifestation and Hashirama's mokuton is essentially,

The will (madara) and body (Hashirama) of the sage.

Too exceed it to the level of the sage, you need to become the jinchuuriki and naruto/minato are a perfect example.

Also the ocular package comes when both clans are one, so one individual can be complete.

So Madara has not reached the level beyond obito, because he is not a junchuuriki.

 

[BlacLord™]

have we seen madara moving at speeds that BSm naruto can barely even see?
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have we seen Madara tossing around multi mountain+ attacks?
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no we have not.
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Madara would put up a fight, but he would get fodderized by juubito

Naruto doesn't have the Sharingan, lewl.

His eyes are no more 'special' different to anyone else who doesn't have a Doujutsu.

Speed-wise, he and Sasuke kept up with Juubito.

And yeah, PS fodderizes mountains.

Raw power - Juubito >>>>>>> Madara
Raw skill - Madara >>>>>>> Juubito

 

[Lightbringer]

Again? These Madara fapboys just don't quit. Lol

Madara gets shitted on by Juubito. No form of Madara stands a chance and that includes Current Madara, its the same fapboys plus some others who even think Madara has a chance to win.

My message to all Madara fapboys: Hop off the man's nuts.

I remember you said the same thing about Hashirama, and look how that turned out

Obviously Juubito has more power

but Madara has rinnegan(Preta Path for bijuu dama) and Senjutsu(which amplifies all of his other abilities), those are the tools needed to defeat Juubito

Now can Madara actually win? Maybe, not saying it's a guarantee, but he definitely has a pretty good chance since Naruto+Sasuke were able to defeat Juubito.

 

[dark legion]

You must be retarded to think he doesn't have a way to defeat madara, he won't spoil you anything Lol.

Edit: MS obito -> Madara :I

my friend .. I truly believe that Obito > Madara
but Juubito <Madara (juubito's defense is weak ) +cant use MS + useless rinnegan

 

[KidGamer65]

I remember you said the same thing about Hashirama, and look how that turned out

I said the following can't beat him:

EMS Madara
Edo Madara

Did they beat him? Uhhhh, no. So I'm not seeing your point. I couldn't have had an opinion on Current Madara vs Hashirama cause Current Madara never existed.

Obviously Juubito has more power

but Madara has rinnegan(Preta Path for bijuu dama) and Senjutsu(which amplifies all of his other abilities), those are the tools needed to defeat Juubito

Your point? A Kunai is a tool used to kill a ninja but it doesn't mean Konohamaru can beat someone like Hiruzen just because he has a Kunai.

Now can Madara actually win? Maybe, not saying it's a guarantee, but he definitely has a pretty good chance since Naruto+Sasuke were able to defeat Juubito.

No, he has no chance, zero, zip, nada. Naruto and Sasuke only beat Obito in the end because he couldn't use the Juubi's body for battle since he needed to prep IT using the Shinju. Not to mention they would have died to the 4 Juubidama combo if Minato hadn't saved them all. Also, Naruto and Sasuke aren't Madara.

Preta Path absorbing the whole of a Juubidama let alone 4 of them is laughable. Zero feats to even support such a stance, resulting in a no limits fallacy. Not to mention if he tries to absorb all of the Bijuu Dama with Preta Path (Which will take a buttload of time) he gets erased by Onmyoton or Shinju's roots bind him and suck his chakra reserves dry in a heartbeat.

 

[Scryed]

exactly ....my friend ..this makes no sense ...

We now Juubito is stronger than Madara ....basing on strength Juubito wins against Madara
the alliance would defeat Madara because they are more in number
but the kishi's problem isn't who is stronger , or how to draw Madara on the floor, but How to get there ..the strategy that must be used ...
Hiddan was immortal ,, but shikamaru defeated him , because of his plan, is strategy ...Im sure that when Madara said Naruto "thank you for saving me the trouble to weak him" that means that Madara planned to defeat Juubito himself...
Why a weak will attack a strong ? cuz he had a plan ....

Madara planned to weaken Obito but he needed Hashirama's sage mode hence why he was fighting Hashirama in the first place.

But at the same time, I'm sure he knew that the rest were occupied with Obito and where fighting him in the meanwhile.

Odds are that when Madara said that, he meant that after obtaining Hashirama's SM, he would enter the fray and deal the final blow weakning Obito and getting Black Zetsu to attempt Rinne Tensei again.

But since the alliance managed to defeat Obito before Madara obtained SM, he ended up thanking Naruto for saving Madara the trouble.


I really don't think that Madara meant fighting Obito one on one since he already knew everyone else were already fighting Obito.

He was trying to take advantage of Obito having to deal with the alliance by using his "trump card" to deal the final blow to weaken him.

Which could also be why he mentioned that he needed to use his trump card before Obito anticipated him.


So in other words, Madara planned to weaken Obito while Obito fought the entire alliance. Hence why he wanted to do it before Obito anticipated him.

I could be wrong though. Just a thought.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

What an embarrassing thread. Juubi Jin Obito puts current Madara in the ground.

 

[dark legion]

Madara planned to weaken Obito but he needed Hashirama's sage mode hence why he was fighting Hashirama in the first place.

But at the same time, I'm sure he knew that the rest were occupied with Obito and where fighting him in the meanwhile.

Odds are that when Madara said that, he meant that after obtaining Hashirama's SM, he would enter the fray and deal the final blow weakning Obito and getting Black Zetsu to attempt Rinne Tensei again.

But since the alliance managed to defeat Obito before Madara obtained SM, he ended up thanking Naruto for saving Madara the trouble.


I really don't think that Madara meant fighting Obito one on one since he already knew everyone else were already fighting Obito.

He was trying to take advantage of Obito having to deal with the alliance by using his "trump card" to deal the final blow to weaken him.

Which could also be why he mentioned that he needed to use his trump card before Obito anticipated him.


So in other words, Madara planned to weaken Obito while Obito fought the entire alliance. Hence why he wanted to do it before Obito anticipated him.

I could be wrong though. Just a thought.

that's why I said from the first post : CURRENT MADARA bro... and we still don't know if Madara's trump card is Senjutsu or gedo mazo or anything else ...so Madara still has secret powers or so I believe ...


nobody fears Oro cuz of his snakes ...but cuz of his Kinjutsus .....secrets are deadly dude

 

[Lightbringer]

I said the following can't beat him:

EMS Madara
Edo Madara

Did they beat him? Uhhhh, no. So I'm not seeing your point. I couldn't have had an opinion on Current Madara vs Hashirama cause Current Madara never existed.

lol I remember specifically saying Madara with Rinnegan+Mokuton against Hashi without edo properties.

Your point? A Kunai is a tool used to kill a ninja but it doesn't mean Konohamaru can beat someone like Hiruzen just because he has a Kunai.

You're comparing Konohamaru and Hiruzen to Madara and Obito? Obito may have more power, but he isn't as skilled as Madara in battle.

No, he has no chance, zero, zip, nada. Naruto and Sasuke only beat Obito in the end because he couldn't use the Juubi's body for battle since he needed to prep IT using the Shinju. Not to mention they would have died to the 4 Juubidama combo if Minato hadn't saved them all. Also, Naruto and Sasuke aren't Madara.

Preta Path absorbing the whole of a Juubidama let alone 4 of them is laughable. Zero feats to even support such a stance, resulting in a no limits fallacy. Not to mention if he tries to absorb all of the Bijuu Dama with Preta Path (Which will take a buttload of time) he gets erased by Onmyoton or Shinju's roots bind him and suck his chakra reserves dry in a heartbeat.

Really zero chance? Wow, talk about being reasonable. Again, I remember you said the same exact thing with Hashirama, and again, it seems that Madara prevailed.

Preta Path has sucked up Rasenshuriken, Odama Rasengan, Jinton, and Killer Bee's V2 mode within seconds. Those feats enough prove that it sucks up chakra instantly.

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[KidGamer65]

lol I remember specifically saying Madara with Rinnegan+Mokuton against Hashi without edo properties.

.....So, all Current Madara is just Rinnegan and Mokuton? Current Madara=Rinnegan, Mokuton, EMS and Sage Mode. Did I not just say that I never said Current Madara loses to Hashirama? I never made an opinion about that fight until now.

Now, did an alive Rinnegan and Mokuton Madara defeat Hashirama in battle? Oh wait, he didn't. So again, you have no point.

You're comparing Konohamaru and Hiruzen to Madara and Obito? Obito may have more power, but he isn't as skilled as Madara in battle.

You obviously didn't get the point of the analogy, the analogy is to show that Madara having the tools needed to beat Obito doesn't mean he can beat Obito.

Really zero chance? Wow, talk about being reasonable. Again, I remember you said the same exact thing with Hashirama, and again, it seems that Madara prevailed.

Yes zero chance, fapping to Madara is saying he stands a chance, and that is being unreasonable.

No, I didn't, that is just you ridiculously twisting my words to fit your argument, no matter how wrong you sound.

Preta Path has sucked up Rasenshuriken, Odama Rasengan, Jinton, and Killer Bee's V2 mode within seconds. Those feats enough prove that it sucks up chakra instantly.

Sucking up chakra in a few seconds proves it sucks up chakra instantly? The contradiction is strong with this one, not even making sense here. Oodama Rasengan was the biggest thing it absorbed and it took more time than it did to absorb FRS, meaning the bigger the chakra the longer it takes to absorb.

Bringing the DB entry doesn't change the obvious No Limits Fallacy.

 

[iNotorious]

lol I remember specifically saying Madara with Rinnegan+Mokuton against Hashi without edo properties.



You're comparing Konohamaru and Hiruzen to Madara and Obito? Obito may have more power, but he isn't as skilled as Madara in battle.






Really zero chance? Wow, talk about being reasonable. Again, I remember you said the same exact thing with Hashirama, and again, it seems that Madara prevailed.

Preta Path has sucked up Rasenshuriken, Odama Rasengan, Jinton, and Killer Bee's V2 mode within seconds. Those feats enough prove that it sucks up chakra instantly.

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While he's doing that, he cannot move, Juubito blitz madara, gg?

 

[KidGamer65]

While he's doing that, he cannot move, Juubito blitz madara, gg?

Onmyoton blitz GG indeed.

 

[Scryed]

that's why I said from the first post : CURRENT MADARA bro... and we still don't know if Madara's trump card is Senjutsu or gedo mazo or anything else ...so Madara still has secret powers or so I believe ...


nobody fears Oro cuz of his snakes ...but cuz of his Kinjutsus .....secrets are deadly dude

Perhaps.

I guess only time will tell.


Reason why I believe why Jin Obito is stronger is obviously because of the Juubi.

Even in it's incomplete state, it shouldn't be underestimated.

 

[Aya San]

Who said he can't move while absorbing? Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Who said he can't move while absorbing? Lol

The manga did, as every, single time Preta is in use, the user is still.

How would they move when they are busy absorbing the chakra? lmao.

 

[iNotorious]

Onmyoton blitz GG indeed.

These madara tryhard fanboys lmao! xD! I've also heard that current madara can take 1 on 1 with the sage of the six paths. Lol

 

[Scryed]

These madara tryhard fanboys lmao! xD! I've also heard that current madara can take 1 on 1 with the sage of the six paths. Lol

Sage of 6 Paths?

The guy who created the moon on his deathbed?

I think that's going a bit too far...