[Discussion] Is Zoro more like Rayleigh or MiHawk?

[Frankenstein]

It's kinda silly to ask this question when we have seen only glipmses of both Mihawk's and Rayleigh's characters whereas Zoro is there for 700 chapters and we have seen him through all sorts of situations.

Rayleigh seems like a soft version of Zoro.

Zoro's "Inner-Demon" is so badass to see yet scary.

Rayleigh's nickname is "Dark King". This isn't for show I think. And definitely doesn't sound "soft".

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Yeah and I just told you how other straw hats have their own pattern too,both in fighting and in case mindset too, which are always the same. When you say you hate zoro, don't give a reason like he has been the same from the start and other haven't been like that and try to put him character wise below others. Where infact others too have been following their specific patterns too which have been the same. You don't like zoro's pattern which he follow,.. not this that he keeps following it and that's purely subjective. Tell that directly.

not really the rest of SH showed us a lot of fighting pattern, i can explain it one by one but that would be to much, i mean i need to point out every single battle that they fought, surely its such an unpleasant things to type.....

oh and your recent 2 post contradict your statement earlier about Zoro....
"So you are saying that Zoro doesn't offer various types of pattern in battle? Whereas he does."
so now he doesn't ?

 

[LitzSabr]

not really the rest of SH showed us a lot of fighting pattern, i can explain it one by one but that would be to much, i mean i need to point out every single battle that they fought, surely its such an unpleasant things to type.....

oh and your recent 2 post contradict your statement earlier about Zoro....
"So you are saying that Zoro doesn't offer various types of pattern in battle? Whereas he does."
so now he doesn't ?

If I were to point every single battle of zoro, despite being badass you will see small variations in that too. Do and talk.

Don't misunderstand. The first time I said that he showed different patterns was about his "Fighting Techniques". Not Fighting method or how he wanna go in but The Techniques. Having a variety of them.
The second time I said he has pretty much the same pattern was about his mindset. I made clear about this there.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

If I were to point every single battle of zoro, despite being badass you will see small variations in that too. Do and talk.

there is no variation really, he just pulled that badass feat every time he's about to win the battle,
there is no change at all in his fight its quite a bummer considering this guy is supposed to take on the 2nd strongest enemy in the arc,

Don't misunderstand. The first time I said that he showed different patterns was about his "Fighting Techniques". Not Fighting method or how he wanna go in but The Techniques. Having a variety of them.
The second time I said he has pretty much the same pattern was about his mindset. I made clear about this there.

you're the one misunderstand this, I've always talked about his fighting pattern and how he overused that badassery to the point of its not badass anymore. not his kenjutsu technique

 

[FireBird Marco]

Zoro is the God of OP

 

[Aertes]

Well, we sure don't know much about Rayleigh and Mihawk.
Zoro has similarities with both but he is also unique in many aspects of his personality. I believe he resembles more Rayleigh in his role in the crew.

there is no variation really, he just pulled that badass feat every time he's about to win the battle,
there is no change at all in his fight its quite a bummer considering this guy is supposed to take on the 2nd strongest enemy in the arc,



you're the one misunderstand this, I've always talked about his fighting pattern and how he overused that badassery to the point of its not badass anymore.

Hm, I think you fail to see Zoro's growth both in character and in battle style.
Zoro began as the badass guy who thought that was stronger than everybody but very soon he change his attitude during battle. He's one of the few characters that I've seen growing so much during a battle, like in Alabasta against Daz Bones and apart from the badassery part Zoro is very calm and determined in fights, he knows when to use raw power and when to control his strength to achieve his goal (like against Monet).

Also, he has a variety of moves and ways of using them. It's true that he has some main characteristics that appear often, but this goes for all the Strawhats. However, Zoro is one of the few who changes his personality during a fight to gain knowledge or to accept a situation that cannot be changed and behave accordingly.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Imo Rayleigh.
He has more things in common with him.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Hm, I think you fail to see Zoro's growth both in character and in battle style.
Zoro began as the badass guy who thought that was stronger than everybody but very soon he change his attitude during battle. He's one of the few characters that I've seen growing so much during a battle, like in Alabasta against Daz Bones and apart from the badassery part Zoro is very calm and determined in fights, he knows when to use raw power and when to control his strength to achieve his goal (like against Monet).

Also, he has a variety of moves and ways of using them. It's true that he has some main characteristics that appear often, but this goes for all the Strawhats. However, Zoro is one of the few who changes his personality during a fight to gain knowledge or to accept a situation that cannot be changed and behave accordingly.

Ummm i never talked about his character growth in general so idk why you have to point out how much he have grown in battle/outside i never talked about that at all or his technique am talking about how his usual battle pattern,
when Oda just use that "Badass card" as his only fighting signal to end the battle especially after the time skip its not that badass anymore...

 

[Aertes]

Ummm i never talked about his character growth in general so idk why you have to point out how much he have grown in battle/outside i never talked about that at all or his technique am talking about how his usual battle pattern,
when Oda just use that "Badass card" as his only fighting signal to end the battle especially after the time skip its not that badass anymore...

You mentioned that he always has this badass style and I brought some examples when Zoro shows other aspect of his personality during a fight. I take it that when someone talks about a fight pattern he/she is referring to a regular behavior, a discernible sequence in the way something is done. You can rule out all the times that Zoro has shown other traits than just badassery but this is your subjective view on how to define a pattern.

In all of his serious fights Zoro has displayed other characteristics during a fight that constitutes this "pattern" you talk of. Also, don't confuse his confident in his power and his determination to end a fight either by dying or killing with badassery. That's a generic trait Zoro shows, he rather die knowing that he has given all he can or get involved in a situation that might get him killed but if he comes out of it he will gain knowledge and power and much more.

So I don't really see this badass pattern. There were fights that Zoro was uncertain for the result, in the verge of death and he just use his last resorts embracing the death that would come if he was proven insufficient.
Being realistic and accepting a situation with your head high is different from being badass. Zoro does both.

 

[LitzSabr]

there is no variation really, he just pulled that badass feat every time he's about to win the battle,
there is no change at all in his fight its quite a bummer considering this guy is supposed to take on the 2nd strongest enemy in the arc

And that's a part of the pattern he follow. Every straw hat follow their own pattern and stick to it throughout the fight. Like I said before, some variations occur in the pattern. There are bound to be some fluctuations(many times it has happened, many times!!),, in case of zoro too but "Overall" it remains the same,, and for other straw hats too. Mostly Zoro remain calm and stay serious during his fights which I've said is the same. Overall it's the same for other straw hats and their specific way(there are fluctuations in their patterns too) and for Zoro's too (this I've told before).

you're the one misunderstand this, I've always talked about his fighting pattern and how he overused that badassery to the point of its not badass anymore. not his kenjutsu technique

Don't blame me. It was too vague in your first post but now I have explained it from both angles. Like I said, every straw hat follow their own specific pattern and that doesn't change like zoro's doesn't from the beginning. You don't like the nature of pattern here, not that it's overused,, because every straw hat has been overusing their own too. I guess I made it clear enough. The reason you said wasn't true because the nature repetition (which is bound to happen since it's their nature) isn't only there in case of zoro,,, it's for all other straw hats. So don't blame on the character for being different from others as he follows his own pattern and downplay him for such reason when the others do it too.
You don't like the character itself and that I find fascinating.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

More similar to Rayleigh in terms of personality, but in terms of stature and reputation he's more like Mihawk.

 

[crono0929]

More similar to Rayleigh in terms of personality, but in terms of stature and reputation he's more like Mihawk.

what are you implying?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

what are you implying?

Killing intent etc.

 

[EveryThingAnime]

haters ? that's the truth. in every single damn arc he pulled that so called badassery, frankly its getting annoying and dull.

You have obviously confused the truth with an opinion.

 

[Hijey]

Feels like one certain kid on this thread likes to wine about how much they dislike/hate a certain character or the series

Well, we sure don't know much about Rayleigh and Mihawk.
Zoro has similarities with both but he is also unique in many aspects of his personality. I believe he resembles more Rayleigh in his role in the crew.

Agree with this