Sasuke can use enton without EMS.

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Madara was channeling the power of the Rinnegan back into his body. Think Gedo [Outer path], only reversed.

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You already know he is the source of the chakra rods and black Zetsu, which turned out to be his will in manifested form. It's impossible to use ocular powers without having eyes.

 

[Frikid]

No, Sasuke still is only talking about Naruto's form which is made completely out of chakra. "This is what he's like..." can be talking about his appearance or behavior, he never said anything that can be said to be anything else but that. Just like Tsunade who was also talking about his form and power when she said the chakra was impressive. Yes, she saw the change which a normal person can do, Sasuke had no reason to active his Sharingan for this so he already had it on.

Pretty sure I said not other jutsus because the connection wouldn't be that strong since 1 of his eyes is close by while the other one isn't. Madara's Susanoo was small compare to the Bijuus, he didn't use PS or anything, just that one small Susanoo. "That makes more sense to you but that does not necessarily mean that it is the right thing." This goes for you as well and I never said I was right, just that it was a theory.

As for Itachi, Thought it wasn't that hard to see that Itachi didn't reach his limit yet, his Sharingan was on but was fading. Look at Itachi's eyes which were bright then look at Sasuke's eyes which had a shade of black to it. Sasuke's eyes even was shown to reach their limit when his Susanoo went out. Obito even told Sasuke he was quick to pull out Susanoo which made his sight fade faster. Itachi didn't use his MS that much and when he did it wasn't from Susanoo but from Tsukuyomi more than Amaterasu. Itachi had his MS since 13 while Sasuke went blind in about a week, you can see who overused their eyes and who didn't.

No he observed him with sharingan and after the observation he thought " so this is what he is like .... chakra" .
From a perspective of a normal eye user, tsunade said "this form.... naruto"

Your point was that they observed the same thing which would mean sasuke was seeing the same thing as tsunade and didn't activate sharingan to see naruto's chakra.
But i have shown you what they thought was completely different unlike what you stated.This further strengths my argument that sasuke activated his sharingan to see naruto and his chakra flow (or whatever he can see with sharingan) .

Madara's susano will not be as strong because he needs his eyes to use it at full power. But what doesn't make sense in your theory is that why is he able to use only one technique?
Even one rinnegan is enough to use all the six rinnegan techniques, this is the hole in your theory.
You should realize, if you suggest eyes are necessary for use of ocular powers, then both of the eyes should be accessible by madara to use susano, with one eye , he should not be able to use it. But what he can do with one eye is use all 6 rinnegan techniques.
BUT according to your theory, he is linked to only one of his eyes and still can use susano which requires two eyes and cannot use rinnegan technique which only require one eye. Also, if the connection is not that strong this means he can only use one technique right? so he should be able to use any one technique at one time but noo he is only able to use susano. Susano and susano alone.
So do you get it now? your theory have holes in it and does not explain many things, instead raise nothing but more questions.

Feel free to justify the holes i pointed out, i will be happy to debate further on this theory.

Now comes this itachi thing.
i have re-read the chapter involving itachi and sasuke.
Here is my observation :

itachi :

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You can see his eyes looks like normal eyes just his eye ball seems smaller. The fact that he can use susano means he is still not blind and if that is the case then we should be able to see his MS , but not even 3t sharingan is seen.
This is because itachi used susano without sharingan.

Now let me show you sasuke right before he was blind :

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As you can see, right before he was blind, his MS can be seen.
But in itachi's case we cannot see his MS.
And after sasuke got blind :

You can see his eyes go full black, sharingan disappears and susano as well.

So let me recap what we observed.

Itachi is using susano without sharingan activated.
Sasuke is using susano with sharingan activated, he goes blind, his eyes go full black and susano disappears.

Right before sasuke got blind, we could still see his MS but that is not the case with itachi, we see normal eyes.
this means itachi used susano without sharingan activated and he was not blind, he was near blind.

So yeah, itachi also used susano without sharingan just like how madara used it.

Madara was channeling the power of the Rinnegan back into his body. Think Gedo [Outer path], only reversed.

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You already know he is the source of the chakra rods and black Zetsu, which turned out to be his will in manifested form. It's impossible to use ocular powers without having eyes.

Madara can control obito and make him do rinne tensei through black zetsu and chakra rods but he cannot receive chakra from it.

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madara needed to have physical contact to receive chakra from hashirama even though black rods were implanted in him.

Explain this.

Since he can't receive chakra, eyes being connected to zetsu and usage of susano is impossible.
Even then this explanation has hole as i said above,
1. 2 MS are req. to use susano.
2. Even if he can receive chakra, its still too far fetched to believe that chakra connection have enabled him to use his eye technique.
3. Why only susano can be used and not other rinnegan/EMS techniques?

 

[Vicen]

i hope people realize sauske still has not fully mastered blaze release and you so people who claim he has to use ems in order to use blaze release well you are right atm but when he does master it he can use without ems aka just a sharingan.

Except Sasuke has mastered it. :|

 

[xxSAGExx]

No he observed him with sharingan and after the observation he thought " so this is what he is like .... chakra" .
From a perspective of a normal eye user, tsunade said "this form.... naruto"

Your point was that they observed the same thing which would mean sasuke was seeing the same thing as tsunade and didn't activate sharingan to see naruto's chakra.
But i have shown you what they thought was completely different unlike what you stated.This further strengths my argument that sasuke activated his sharingan to see naruto and his chakra flow (or whatever he can see with sharingan) .

Madara's susano will not be as strong because he needs his eyes to use it at full power. But what doesn't make sense in your theory is that why is he able to use only one technique?
Even one rinnegan is enough to use all the six rinnegan techniques, this is the hole in your theory.
You should realize, if you suggest eyes are necessary for use of ocular powers, then both of the eyes should be accessible by madara to use susano, with one eye , he should not be able to use it. But what he can do with one eye is use all 6 rinnegan techniques.
BUT according to your theory, he is linked to only one of his eyes and still can use susano which requires two eyes and cannot use rinnegan technique which only require one eye. Also, if the connection is not that strong this means he can only use one technique right? so he should be able to use any one technique at one time but noo he is only able to use susano. Susano and susano alone.
So do you get it now? your theory have holes in it and does not explain many things, instead raise nothing but more questions.

Feel free to justify the holes i pointed out, i will be happy to debate further on this theory.

Now comes this itachi thing.
i have re-read the chapter involving itachi and sasuke.
Here is my observation :

itachi :

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You can see his eyes looks like normal eyes just his eye ball seems smaller. The fact that he can use susano means he is still not blind and if that is the case then we should be able to see his MS , but not even 3t sharingan is seen.
This is because itachi used susano without sharingan.

Now let me show you sasuke right before he was blind :

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As you can see, right before he was blind, his MS can be seen.
But in itachi's case we cannot see his MS.
And after sasuke got blind :

You can see his eyes go full black, sharingan disappears and susano as well.

So let me recap what we observed.

Itachi is using susano without sharingan activated.
Sasuke is using susano with sharingan activated, he goes blind, his eyes go full black and susano disappears.

Right before sasuke got blind, we could still see his MS but that is not the case with itachi, we see normal eyes.
this means itachi used susano without sharingan activated and he was not blind, he was near blind.

So yeah, itachi also used susano without sharingan just like how madara used it.



Madara can control obito and make him do rinne tensei through black zetsu and chakra rods but he cannot receive chakra from it.

look here :

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madara needed to have physical contact to receive chakra from hashirama even though black rods were implanted in him.

Explain this.

Since he can't receive chakra, eyes being connected to zetsu and usage of susano is impossible.
Even then this explanation has hole as i said above,
1. 2 MS are req. to use susano.
2. Even if he can receive chakra, its still too far fetched to believe that chakra connection have enabled him to use his eye technique.
3. Why only susano can be used and not other rinnegan/EMS techniques?

You see how you found flaws in my theory, well a flaw in yours is as I said before, Sasuke saying "so this is what he's like when he's got control over the kyuubi chakra... " has nothing that says he was using his sharingan to see anything but Naruto's form which a normal person can see. What would he even be looking at? Naruto's chakra color? Naruto's glowing it so no reason to use that. That's like me saying Nagato and Itachi used their Rinnegan and Sharingan to look at Naruto's KM when they only noticed the look

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Neji's comment not only on Naruto's look but also his chakra signature because he have eyes that would see Naruto's chakra network

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. Sasuke never seen KM before and like others who saw him they noticed it's look. Sasuke had EMS on from using Enton, that much is clear or was Naruto using Sharingan like reading abilities on Sasuke's Enton because a person can use your logic and say Naruto's eyes=Sharingans cause he was able to analyze Enton but that is false, both Naruto and Sasuke only noticed the look and that's all.

As for Itachi, Go back to before Sasuke used Kirin. Itachi has his MS still on then his eyes goes white after he started to use Susanoo

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. He's Sharingan faded but he didn't reach his sharingan limit where it went completely out like Sasuke's. From Obito's words and the fact that it uses both eyes and deals the worst physical pain, Susanoo makes the person blind faster and Sasuke has been using it for a longer amount of time in a short amount of time

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[BenjerminGaye]

I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that your eyes need to bleed to use ms techs.... obito,kakashi,madara, almost every uchiha showcased a ms tech without their eyes bleeding. You can say he doesn't bleed when he uses it cuz that's all you're scans really proved.

 

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Madara can control obito and make him do rinne tensei through black zetsu and chakra rods but he cannot receive chakra from it.

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madara needed to have physical contact to receive chakra from hashirama even though black rods were implanted in him.

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We already know that chakra can be sent back to him. He chose to steal natural energy using a different method, because that was more efficient at the time.

Since he can't receive chakra, eyes being connected to zetsu and usage of susano is impossible.
Even then this explanation has hole as i said above,
1. 2 MS are req. to use susano.

Two Mangekyo are required to awaken Susano'o, not use it.

2. Even if he can receive chakra, its still too far fetched to believe that chakra connection have enabled him to use his eye technique.

Not far-fetched at all, given that's how the 6 paths worked. Each body could use Nagato's powers without having a real Rinnegan.

3. Why only susano can be used and not other rinnegan/EMS techniques?

There is no evidence that only Susano'o could be used.