Sasuke can use enton without EMS.

[Frikid]

Actually if you keep reading ahead, he has his EMS activated.

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Notice how sasuke speaks of chakra and kyuubi state. He was observing the chakra networks within naruto and how it works through his sharingan.

 

[Untamed]

Maybe, Susano'o and enton require MS and EMS to awaken them , but to use them again you might not need the eyes. Lol
Who knows though, who knows?

 

[marksonm]

you all are kids… probably under 18 year old… pls go to bed. If you keep reading the manga you will notice that the Sharingan and Mangekyou is always used for Enton. And he started using it on the susanoo when he gain EMS, because that is part of the power and modification that acquiring EMS gives. Just like the standing susanoo. So please stop all this useless Sasuke fan threads lil kids

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Notice how sasuke speaks of chakra and kyuubi state. He was observing the chakra networks within naruto and how it works through his sharingan.

Yes he was, but this also proves that he could of had it on when he used enton to save Sakura.

 

[marksonm]

in the picture where he used Enton on his sword, if you read the following page u will see that his sharingan is active.

When he was shown previously he wasn't attacking but by the time he ran to attack he must have switched it on. This is because it is a manga so it is drawn, you probably notice it better in the anime.

 

[Frikid]

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Explaining this manga scan.

Here sasuke is observing naruto's FRS and trying to modify his enton so that his enton can match naruto's FRS's chakra ratio otherwise it would fail.

this was explained by tobirama :

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[adeshina365]

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Explaining this manga scan.

Here sasuke is observing naruto's FRS and trying to modify his enton so that his enton can match naruto's FRS's chakra ratio otherwise it would fail.

this was explained by tobirama :

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Just because he doesn't look at the technique being used doesn't indicate that it isn't required.

Read BlinkST's response.

 

[Frikid]

Just because he doesn't look at the technique being used doesn't indicate that it isn't required.

Read BlinkST's response.

This image is quoted from his post only.
He didn't mention anything you haven't so i don't see any difference.

Do you remember MS sasuke lost his susano after going blind.

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But still madara could use susano even after being blind.
This suggests one requires a certain level of mastery on susano(for which EMS may be necessary) to use it without sharingan.

Same logic applies here. At that point even though sasuke could use enton, his mastery over amaterasu and enton was not good enough. Did you notice how i never mentioned MS in OP. Because i know sasuke's enton was not fully polished at the time when he was still using MS .

But now this is not the old sasuke, EMS sasuke have shown huge progress in enton and amaterasu and he have reached to the point where he can use enton without use of sharingan.

 

[Retsu]

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Again. Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi is the jutsu that allows Sasuke to generate flames where his body or chakra [Susano'o] is touching. It has never caused that eye to bleed, nor can it be used without the Sharingan. That's just retarded.

This just destroyed the thread

 

[Prince Charles]

I don't quite understand what your trying to say, are you saying he doesnt need to use his ems to use his enton manipulation? I thought that was rather obvious? He unlocked it when he had MS.

 

[Frikid]

I don't quite understand what your trying to say, are you saying he doesnt need to use his ems to use his enton manipulation? I thought that was rather obvious? He unlocked it when he had MS.

If by some miracle he ends up blind, he can still use enton just like how madara can use susano.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Notice how sasuke speaks of chakra and kyuubi state. He was observing the chakra networks within naruto and how it works through his sharingan.

If he was looking at Naruto's chakra network then Kishi would have showed that, Sasuke was talking about Naruto's Kyuubi mode as how it looks like, he wouldn't need to active his EMS just to see that the new mode. Both Sasuke and Naruto were checking out the other's power that they displayed. Why do you think Naruto said his new Sharingans and then black flames after, he would have noticed the EMS before the Enton if Sasuke had it on before using Enton. Sasuke wasn't looking at Naruto's chakra because he has to activate that aspect of the Sharingan to see chakra as he did against Kabuto

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. Kishi didn't show Sasuke looking at chakra nor did Sasuke comment about Naruto's chakra network, in fact the Sharingan doesn't even see the chakra network, that's the Byakugan if I remember right.

Only Madara shown to use Susanoo without eyes and you, nor me or anyone knows how he did it so before saying you don't need the Eyes, wait until Sasuke display the feats before giving him them. Both of Madara's eyes still have their "Light" and we see Kakashi able to see what Obito sees even though he's in another Dimension

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, Madara can have this same connection to his eyes and used Hashirama's DNA and Senjutsu to better his connection to his eyes.

 

[Prince Charles]

If by some miracle he ends up blind, he can still use enton just like how madara can use susano.

So your saying he doesnt require the sharigan at all to use enton manipulation?

 

[Vicen]

So your saying he doesnt require the sharigan at all to use enton manipulation?

The idea isn't so farfetched. Madara can use Susano'o without eyes, and Itachi can cast genjutsu simply by pointing at someone.

 

[xxSAGExx]

This image is quoted from his post only.
He didn't mention anything you haven't so i don't see any difference.

Do you remember MS sasuke lost his susano after going blind.

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But still madara could use susano even after being blind.
This suggests one requires a certain level of mastery on susano(for which EMS may be necessary) to use it without sharingan.

Same logic applies here. At that point even though sasuke could use enton, his mastery over amaterasu and enton was not good enough. Did you notice how i never mentioned MS in OP. Because i know sasuke's enton was not fully polished at the time when he was still using MS .

But now this is not the old sasuke, EMS sasuke have shown huge progress in enton and amaterasu and he have reached to the point where he can use enton without use of sharingan.

Differences between Current Madara with no eyes and Sasuke going blind is that Sasuke was at his Sharingan's limit and went blind as in lost his Sharingan so had no access to his powers. Madara's eye's still had their "Light" but just wasn't in his eye socket. He can still have a connection to his eyes and might some how access their powers using Senju DNA and Senjutsu to increase his connection to them. Just like How Kakashi and Obito's eye's are connected; Obito saw thru Kakashi's eye when Rin died and Kakashi saw thru Obito's eye while he fought PS+BSM. Also Kakashi didn't go blind like Obito's and Kakashi's Sharingan went from 2 Tomoes to 3 Tomoes to MS just like Obito's which shows their connection.

 

[Frikid]

If he was looking at Naruto's chakra network then Kishi would have showed that, Sasuke was talking about Naruto's Kyuubi mode as how it looks like, he wouldn't need to active his EMS just to see that the new mode. Both Sasuke and Naruto were checking out the other's power that they displayed. Why do you think Naruto said his new Sharingans and then black flames after, he would have noticed the EMS before the Enton if Sasuke had it on before using Enton. Sasuke wasn't looking at Naruto's chakra because he has to activate that aspect of the Sharingan to see chakra as he did against Kabuto

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. Kishi didn't show Sasuke looking at chakra nor did Sasuke comment about Naruto's chakra network, in fact the Sharingan doesn't even see the chakra network, that's the Byakugan if I remember right.

Only Madara shown to use Susanoo without eyes and you, nor me or anyone knows how he did it so before saying you don't need the Eyes, wait until Sasuke display the feats before giving him them. Both of Madara's eyes still have their "Light" and we see Kakashi able to see what Obito sees even though he's in another Dimension

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, Madara can have this same connection to his eyes and used Hashirama's DNA and Senjutsu to better his connection to his eyes.

Naruto is sasuke's rival and it only makes sense for him to observe his rival the best way he can.
You are right, chakra network can only be seen by byakugan but that was not i was referring to. I was mentioning the whole point of sasuke using his EMS was to observe naruto.
And kishi DID show sasuke looking at naruto's chakra, he was literally looking at naruto with his EMS activated and he literally stated he was looking at naruto's chakra, what else do you need to prove that?
Also the first page you mentioned in which sasuke see chakra color, it does not have any difference than how sasuke's normal EMS is shown.
If you remember, sasuke also used his sharingan to see chakra color during his fight with deidara but he didn't use that "aspect" of sharingan while doing so because there is no such "aspect" . It was only a detail shown by kishi for sharingan lovers, that is all.

And the second paragraph is completely your assumption and opinion, no facts.

Differences between Current Madara with no eyes and Sasuke going blind is that Sasuke was at his Sharingan's limit and went blind as in lost his Sharingan so had no access to his powers. Madara's eye's still had their "Light" but just wasn't in his eye socket. He can still have a connection to his eyes and might some how access their powers using Senju DNA and Senjutsu to increase his connection to them. Just like How Kakashi and Obito's eye's are connected; Obito saw thru Kakashi's eye when Rin died and Kakashi saw thru Obito's eye while he fought PS+BSM. Also Kakashi didn't go blind like Obito's and Kakashi's Sharingan went from 2 Tomoes to 3 Tomoes to MS just like Obito's which shows their connection.

This is completely your assumption and it is stupid.
You cannot just give away your sharingan to someone else and still be able to use their abilities. If that was possible, madara would also be able to use rinnegan/tsukiyomi with it.
Adding on, as crazy as it sounds, if that was true, madara would never want his eyes back or want sasuke's eyes.

First time itachi used susano, he used it without even activating sharingan, let alone MS. So 2 out of 3 susano users have done that.

Kakashi can see what obito see. This is all their connected eyes can do.

@princecharles,
yes exactly.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Naruto is sasuke's rival and it only makes sense for him to observe his rival the best way he can.
You are right, chakra network can only be seen by byakugan but that was not i was referring to. I was mentioning the whole point of sasuke using his EMS was to observe naruto.
And kishi DID show sasuke looking at naruto's chakra, he was literally looking at naruto with his EMS activated and he literally stated he was looking at naruto's chakra, what else do you need to prove that?
Also the first page you mentioned in which sasuke see chakra color, it does not have any difference than how sasuke's normal EMS is shown.
If you remember, sasuke also used his sharingan to see chakra color during his fight with deidara but he didn't use that "aspect" of sharingan while doing so because there is no such "aspect" . It was only a detail shown by kishi for sharingan lovers, that is all.

And the second paragraph is completely your assumption and opinion, no facts.

@princecharles,
yes exactly.

When I say "Aspect" I'm talking about that ability to see chakra, they don't always have it activated or else their vision would be messed up when trying to read their opponent's movements. You don't need the Sharingan to "Observe" Naruto's KM the way Sasuke was. He only saying the mode Naruto is in is how it is when it's chakra is controlled. Tsunade said the same thing, does she have Sharingans?

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No because you don't need it to see how Naruto looks like while he's in control of the chakra so unless you're saying Tsunade's eyes are better than EMS, Sasuke had his EMS active before that and of course he would be looking at Naruto with his EMS activated if he had it on while using his Enton attack.

I never said they were facts, just that they make more sense than you saying you don't need Sharingans to use Doujutsu based jutsus. Kishi showed the Sharingan having a connection to their owner through Obito and Kakashi's Sharingan going from 2T to 3T to MS at the same time even though it was Obito in the worst pain signified by his reaction. If Madara can access his Sharingan's jutsu through this connection then his jutsu would still be weaker than it would be with his eyes and he lacks their other abilities. His Susanoo was smaller after all. This seems more plausible than other theories I've heard.

 

[Prime Rib]

i hope people realize sauske still has not fully mastered blaze release and you so people who claim he has to use ems in order to use blaze release well you are right atm but when he does master it he can use without ems aka just a sharingan.

 

[Frikid]

When I say "Aspect" I'm talking about that ability to see chakra, they don't always have it activated or else their vision would be messed up when trying to read their opponent's movements. You don't need the Sharingan to "Observe" Naruto's KM the way Sasuke was. He only saying the mode Naruto is in is how it is when it's chakra is controlled. Tsunade said the same thing, does she have Sharingans?

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No because you don't need it to see how Naruto looks like while he's in control of the chakra so unless you're saying Tsunade's eyes are better than EMS, Sasuke had his EMS active before that and of course he would be looking at Naruto with his EMS activated if he had it on while using his Enton attack.

I never said they were facts, just that they make more sense than you saying you don't need Sharingans to use Doujutsu based jutsus. Kishi showed the Sharingan having a connection to their owner through Obito and Kakashi's Sharingan going from 2T to 3T to MS at the same time even though it was Obito in the worst pain signified by his reaction. If Madara can access his Sharingan's jutsu through this connection then his jutsu would still be weaker than it would be with his eyes and he lacks their other abilities. His Susanoo was smaller after all. This seems more plausible than other theories I've heard.

here, this is a better translation :

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Sasuke observing naruto.
"so this is what he's like when he's got control over the kyuubi chakra... "
This suggests sasuke noticed much more than what tsunade noticed, an advantage of being a sharingan user.

Now let me show you what tsunade said :

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It is clear she just saw the change in naruto which a normal person can see.

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That makes more sense to you but that does not necessarily mean that it is the right thing.
You don't have anything to prove your argument and no kakashi-obito connection is not same as what you are saying.
Kakashi at least have one eye but in madara's case, he is completely blind.
Also, if something like that was possible, why only susano could be used by madara and not all the rinnegan techniques.

And you didn't say anything about how itachi was able to use susano without activating sharingan

 

[xxSAGExx]

here, this is a better translation :

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Sasuke observing naruto.
"so this is what he's like when he's got control over the kyuubi chakra... "
This suggests sasuke noticed much more than what tsunade noticed, an advantage of being a sharingan user.

Now let me show you what tsunade said :

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It is clear she just saw the change in naruto which a normal person can see.

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That makes more sense to you but that does not necessarily mean that it is the right thing.
You don't have anything to prove your argument and no kakashi-obito connection is not same as what you are saying.
Kakashi at least have one eye but in madara's case, he is completely blind.
Also, if something like that was possible, why only susano could be used by madara and not all the rinnegan techniques.

And you didn't say anything about how itachi was able to use susano without activating sharingan

No, Sasuke still is only talking about Naruto's form which is made completely out of chakra. "This is what he's like..." can be talking about his appearance or behavior, he never said anything that can be said to be anything else but that. Just like Tsunade who was also talking about his form and power when she said the chakra was impressive. Yes, she saw the change which a normal person can do, Sasuke had no reason to active his Sharingan for this so he already had it on.

Pretty sure I said not other jutsus because the connection wouldn't be that strong since 1 of his eyes is close by while the other one isn't. Madara's Susanoo was small compare to the Bijuus, he didn't use PS or anything, just that one small Susanoo. "That makes more sense to you but that does not necessarily mean that it is the right thing." This goes for you as well and I never said I was right, just that it was a theory.

As for Itachi, Thought it wasn't that hard to see that Itachi didn't reach his limit yet, his Sharingan was on but was fading. Look at Itachi's eyes which were bright then look at Sasuke's eyes which had a shade of black to it. Sasuke's eyes even was shown to reach their limit when his Susanoo went out. Obito even told Sasuke he was quick to pull out Susanoo which made his sight fade faster. Itachi didn't use his MS that much and when he did it wasn't from Susanoo but from Tsukuyomi more than Amaterasu. Itachi had his MS since 13 while Sasuke went blind in about a week, you can see who overused their eyes and who didn't.