[VS] MS Obito VS Alive Minato

[Shura]

Itachi wins.

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[Gold Lightning]

Itachi wins.

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You're pretty sick minded if you think an 8 your old itachi sleeping with a woman in her mid 20s is funny.

 

[Fresco]

Izanagi is a non-factor in terms of killing minato; it'd only prolong the fight... I'll show you why... Izanagi allowed danzo to do

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. This is the exact same concept as what obito already does. Kamui allows him to teleport and remove his chakra signature from existence[input shino scan here], then his chakra signature can suddenly reappear, however, minato already

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... Therefore, the all the benefits of izanagi, apart from surviving a little longer, a completely negated by Minato's sensor abilities.

You say Minato isn't conceivably touching obito, but he's already shown the ability to warp his body

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to counter Obito's use of kamui. Since he knows to hit obito when he's about to hit you, minato would always be aiming for this... If obito tries

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, minato drops the kunai and warps the split second before obito grabs him. If they're in a fight,

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the second before obito's coming in to touch him and warp. For that matter, minato could take a risk and let obito touch him so that he can touch him quickly while he's trying to warp him in then FTG away before the warp is complete. Minato could even use shadow clones to assist him in finding an opening to touch obito. In all these cases obito can get tagged and, once that happens...

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What people seem to fail to realise is that minato is a high calibre Sensor, with extreme foot speed, shadow clones and FTG. That's a wicked deadly combo and is what got him his title. But, I do agree that kamui counters minato's techs the fact is this fight comes down to Kamui vs FTG, again. And, again, Minato would find a way to come out on top. If he could do it in a time with such a handicap, it's almost unthinkable to believe he couldn't pull it off with a clear head.

Anyway you'd made up your mind about the match :/

Alright, I guess I should reply to this....

One thing you're ignoring is that Obito is a sensor as well, just not in the traditional sense such as Minato, Mu, and Tobirama, in my opinion. When Sasuke was heading towards Konoha, Obito was able to locate him to the surprise of everyone, and he mentions that the ability is

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. Madara also

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to a degree. Perhaps something with translation, but it would explain how Obito was able to find Minato's position after he had teleported away and Konan's position when she was quite a distance away. In all likelihood, its probably because of his Zetsu side that he's able have these sensing abilities.

One thing you're also ignoring is that Minato won't be in a constant state sensibility; at least, he wouldn't continue sensing after Obito uses Izanagi and his supposed death.

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, Tobirama mentions to Hashirama that he isn't using his chakra at that very moment so he couldn't tell who was there. Logically, we can infer that all sensors are similar, or at least, Minato is. Hopefully I don't have to reference all of the similarities between the two. Anyways, the night of the attack, Minato was aware of the Masked Man's involvement. Of course he's not going to let his guard down, so he would be in his sensing state. Yes, Minato is a good sensor, but all sensors (as in Tobirama's case) won't have the ability activated at all times given it requires chakra. Why would he have the ability activated if he thinks his opponent is dead?

With the above established, Izanagi would open Minato up to an attack and Obito. Most likely, Obito would use his reverse Kamui ability that allows him to expel a variety of weapons and shiz.

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has shown great speed and Minato would have no time to react given his guard is down and his sensing ability isn't activated.

You also seem to greatly overestimate Minato's abilities and underestimate Obito's abilities. For example, Minato isn't some infallible superhuman who never makes mistakes. Minato has shown to be

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before. That is, unless you want to admit Minato's inferiority to Tobirama in reaction time. u_u Since Obito is unmasked, Minato will surely have some psychological issues with fighting his former students. Yeah, Minato's output during the night Konoha was attacked was impressive I guess, but he's not perfect. As far as Obito goes, his reaction feats have obviously improved since that night, which was quite a bit in the past. For example, his reaction feats were shown during his fight with Guy, B, Kakashi and Naruto. Minato has great foot speed? Guy and Naruto also have great foot speed, yet he was still able to use Kamui and counter accordingly. [

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] Also notice how he's able to stop the Mazo from being warped while simultaneously fighting Naruto. [

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] I would say fighting 3 opponents simultaneously is a more impressive showing of reaction feats and skill than anything Minato has to shown. As I've stated before: since Obito knows of FTG lvl 2, he won't fall for it again. He'll know now that Minato can teleport to moving kunai, so he'll stay intangible to when he sees a kunai flying around.

Clones really won't be a problem here. Not to mention Minato has only shown to be able to use 1 clone so far, and that was when he had BM. I'm skeptical as to whether he can create any at all in his regular form or not. If he does utilize clones, they can be easily handled with Obito's Katon which has a wide ass area of effect, comparable to Madara's Katon.

Ultimately, I'm not seeing how FTG will affect Obito in the slightest this time around, leaving me to believe this will become a battle of attrition. Obito wins in that scenario because he has Senju DNA. Sorry for the late reply...

 

[Optimistic]

You're pretty sick minded if you think an 8 your old itachi sleeping with a woman in her mid 20s is funny.

Its just manga calm down.

 

[Murasame]

Alright, I guess I should reply to this....

One thing you're ignoring is that Obito is a sensor as well, just not in the traditional sense such as Minato, Mu, and Tobirama, in my opinion. When Sasuke was heading towards Konoha, Obito was able to locate him to the surprise of everyone, and he mentions that the ability is

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. Madara also

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to a degree. Perhaps something with translation, but it would explain how Obito was able to find Minato's position after he had teleported away and Konan's position when she was quite a distance away. In all likelihood, its probably because of his Zetsu side that he's able have these sensing abilities.

One thing you're also ignoring is that Minato won't be in a constant state sensibility; at least, he wouldn't continue sensing after Obito uses Izanagi and his supposed death.

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, Tobirama mentions to Hashirama that he isn't using his chakra at that very moment so he couldn't tell who was there. Logically, we can infer that all sensors are similar, or at least, Minato is. Hopefully I don't have to reference all of the similarities between the two. Anyways, the night of the attack, Minato was aware of the Masked Man's involvement. Of course he's not going to let his guard down, so he would be in his sensing state. Yes, Minato is a good sensor, but all sensors (as in Tobirama's case) won't have the ability activated at all times given it requires chakra. Why would he have the ability activated if he thinks his opponent is dead?

With the above established, Izanagi would open Minato up to an attack and Obito. Most likely, Obito would use his reverse Kamui ability that allows him to expel a variety of weapons and shiz.

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has shown great speed and Minato would have no time to react given his guard is down and his sensing ability isn't activated.

You also seem to greatly overestimate Minato's abilities and underestimate Obito's abilities. For example, Minato isn't some infallible superhuman who never makes mistakes. Minato has shown to be

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before. That is, unless you want to admit Minato's inferiority to Tobirama in reaction time. u_u Since Obito is unmasked, Minato will surely have some psychological issues with fighting his former students. Yeah, Minato's output during the night Konoha was attacked was impressive I guess, but he's not perfect. As far as Obito goes, his reaction feats have obviously improved since that night, which was quite a bit in the past. For example, his reaction feats were shown during his fight with Guy, B, Kakashi and Naruto. Minato has great foot speed? Guy and Naruto also have great foot speed, yet he was still able to use Kamui and counter accordingly. [

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] Also notice how he's able to stop the Mazo from being warped while simultaneously fighting Naruto. [

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] I would say fighting 3 opponents simultaneously is a more impressive showing of reaction feats and skill than anything Minato has to shown. As I've stated before: since Obito knows of FTG lvl 2, he won't fall for it again. He'll know now that Minato can teleport to moving kunai, so he'll stay intangible to when he sees a kunai flying around.

Clones really won't be a problem here. Not to mention Minato has only shown to be able to use 1 clone so far, and that was when he had BM. I'm skeptical as to whether he can create any at all in his regular form or not. If he does utilize clones, they can be easily handled with Obito's Katon which has a wide ass area of effect, comparable to Madara's Katon.

Ultimately, I'm not seeing how FTG will affect Obito in the slightest this time around, leaving me to believe this will become a battle of attrition. Obito wins in that scenario because he has Senju DNA. Sorry for the late reply...

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Beautiful Fresco just beautiful.

 

[Bogard]

Minato shits on him like in canon. It's funny how Obi to fanboys never like to see the truth exactly like when Kakashi shitted on him and they started creating excuses even though himself self admitted he lost to him

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Minato shits on him like in canon. It's funny how Obi to fanboys never like to see the truth exactly like when Kakashi shitted on him and they started creating excuses even though himself self admitted he lost to him

since when did he admit defeat?
also if fighting two perfect jins and two elit jounins for hours isn't a huge disadventagedue to the chakra6stamina waste then I don't know what is U_U

 

[Bogard]

^ "you won this fight"

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And yeah because Obi to looked tired during the fight, even more tired than Kakashi who fought 2days despite his Hashirama DNA that gives him auto healing, surviving without drinking or eating in other words incredible life force and stamina in a one day fight at most

 

[Strict]

Kakashi, as any other Ninja who possibly didn't eat anything (is that actually the case?) may ate those pills which give you energy for fighting several days. Sandaime Raikage also fought an army for 3 days without eating and drinking. That's for the logic. Obito already had chances to kill Kakashi, who, however was near death due to his poor Chakra reserves. But Naruto gave him Chakra several times. Obito was so tired that he couldn't even land on his feet after teleporting to the Kamui dimension with Kakashi..

 

[AGoodBoy]

Alright, I guess I should reply to this....

One thing you're ignoring is that Obito is a sensor as well, just not in the traditional sense such as Minato, Mu, and Tobirama, in my opinion. When Sasuke was heading towards Konoha, Obito was able to locate him to the surprise of everyone, and he mentions that the ability is

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. Madara also

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to a degree. Perhaps something with translation, but it would explain how Obito was able to find Minato's position after he had teleported away and Konan's position when she was quite a distance away. In all likelihood, its probably because of his Zetsu side that he's able have these sensing abilities.

One thing you're also ignoring is that Minato won't be in a constant state sensibility; at least, he wouldn't continue sensing after Obito uses Izanagi and his supposed death.

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, Tobirama mentions to Hashirama that he isn't using his chakra at that very moment so he couldn't tell who was there. Logically, we can infer that all sensors are similar, or at least, Minato is. Hopefully I don't have to reference all of the similarities between the two. Anyways, the night of the attack, Minato was aware of the Masked Man's involvement. Of course he's not going to let his guard down, so he would be in his sensing state. Yes, Minato is a good sensor, but all sensors (as in Tobirama's case) won't have the ability activated at all times given it requires chakra. Why would he have the ability activated if he thinks his opponent is dead?

With the above established, Izanagi would open Minato up to an attack and Obito. Most likely, Obito would use his reverse Kamui ability that allows him to expel a variety of weapons and shiz.

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has shown great speed and Minato would have no time to react given his guard is down and his sensing ability isn't activated.

You also seem to greatly overestimate Minato's abilities and underestimate Obito's abilities. For example, Minato isn't some infallible superhuman who never makes mistakes. Minato has shown to be

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before. That is, unless you want to admit Minato's inferiority to Tobirama in reaction time. u_u Since Obito is unmasked, Minato will surely have some psychological issues with fighting his former students. Yeah, Minato's output during the night Konoha was attacked was impressive I guess, but he's not perfect. As far as Obito goes, his reaction feats have obviously improved since that night, which was quite a bit in the past. For example, his reaction feats were shown during his fight with Guy, B, Kakashi and Naruto. Minato has great foot speed? Guy and Naruto also have great foot speed, yet he was still able to use Kamui and counter accordingly. [

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] Also notice how he's able to stop the Mazo from being warped while simultaneously fighting Naruto. [

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] I would say fighting 3 opponents simultaneously is a more impressive showing of reaction feats and skill than anything Minato has to shown. As I've stated before: since Obito knows of FTG lvl 2, he won't fall for it again. He'll know now that Minato can teleport to moving kunai, so he'll stay intangible to when he sees a kunai flying around.

Clones really won't be a problem here. Not to mention Minato has only shown to be able to use 1 clone so far, and that was when he had BM. I'm skeptical as to whether he can create any at all in his regular form or not. If he does utilize clones, they can be easily handled with Obito's Katon which has a wide ass area of effect, comparable to Madara's Katon.

Ultimately, I'm not seeing how FTG will affect Obito in the slightest this time around, leaving me to believe this will become a battle of attrition. Obito wins in that scenario because he has Senju DNA. Sorry for the late reply...

Lol i wasn't expecting one. Since you've made your mind up about the match, I just don't see a need to continue I'll read your post and probably respond, but don't hold your breath. I tend to drop out of a lot of debates when I get bored.

 

[Fresco]

Lol i wasn't expecting one. Since you've made your mind up about the match, I just don't see a need to continue I'll read your post and probably respond, but don't hold your breath. I tend to drop out of a lot of debates when I get bored.

Nah, its fine. I'm pretty much the same way, that's why I only have like 600 something posts, and I was debating whether to continue or not. You've brought good arguments so its all good if don't want to continue.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Nah, its fine. I'm pretty much the same way, that's why I only have like 600 something posts, and I was debating whether to continue or not. You've brought good arguments so its all good if don't want to continue.

Actually I'm going to continue. Just read your argument and there's some flaws in there...

Was a good argument though.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Alright, I guess I should reply to this....

One thing you're ignoring is that Obito is a sensor as well, just not in the traditional sense such as Minato, Mu, and Tobirama, in my opinion. When Sasuke was heading towards Konoha, Obito was able to locate him to the surprise of everyone, and he mentions that the ability is

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. Madara also

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to a degree. Perhaps something with translation, but it would explain how Obito was able to find Minato's position after he had teleported away and Konan's position when she was quite a distance away. In all likelihood, its probably because of his Zetsu side that he's able have these sensing abilities.

One thing you're also ignoring is that Minato won't be in a constant state sensibility; at least, he wouldn't continue sensing after Obito uses Izanagi and his supposed death.

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, Tobirama mentions to Hashirama that he isn't using his chakra at that very moment so he couldn't tell who was there. Logically, we can infer that all sensors are similar, or at least, Minato is. Hopefully I don't have to reference all of the similarities between the two. Anyways, the night of the attack, Minato was aware of the Masked Man's involvement. Of course he's not going to let his guard down, so he would be in his sensing state. Yes, Minato is a good sensor, but all sensors (as in Tobirama's case) won't have the ability activated at all times given it requires chakra. Why would he have the ability activated if he thinks his opponent is dead?

With the above established, Izanagi would open Minato up to an attack and Obito. Most likely, Obito would use his reverse Kamui ability that allows him to expel a variety of weapons and shiz.

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has shown great speed and Minato would have no time to react given his guard is down and his sensing ability isn't activated.

You also seem to greatly overestimate Minato's abilities and underestimate Obito's abilities. For example, Minato isn't some infallible superhuman who never makes mistakes. Minato has shown to be

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before. That is, unless you want to admit Minato's inferiority to Tobirama in reaction time. u_u Since Obito is unmasked, Minato will surely have some psychological issues with fighting his former students. Yeah, Minato's output during the night Konoha was attacked was impressive I guess, but he's not perfect. As far as Obito goes, his reaction feats have obviously improved since that night, which was quite a bit in the past. For example, his reaction feats were shown during his fight with Guy, B, Kakashi and Naruto. Minato has great foot speed? Guy and Naruto also have great foot speed, yet he was still able to use Kamui and counter accordingly. [

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] Also notice how he's able to stop the Mazo from being warped while simultaneously fighting Naruto. [

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] I would say fighting 3 opponents simultaneously is a more impressive showing of reaction feats and skill than anything Minato has to shown. As I've stated before: since Obito knows of FTG lvl 2, he won't fall for it again. He'll know now that Minato can teleport to moving kunai, so he'll stay intangible to when he sees a kunai flying around.

Clones really won't be a problem here. Not to mention Minato has only shown to be able to use 1 clone so far, and that was when he had BM. I'm skeptical as to whether he can create any at all in his regular form or not. If he does utilize clones, they can be easily handled with Obito's Katon which has a wide ass area of effect, comparable to Madara's Katon.

Ultimately, I'm not seeing how FTG will affect Obito in the slightest this time around, leaving me to believe this will become a battle of attrition. Obito wins in that scenario because he has Senju DNA. Sorry for the late reply...

Don't worry, I didn't forget obito was a sensor. However, my arguments all revolve around the basis of a repeated split second decision which would allow Minato to tag obito. Obito's sensing abilities will help him in the long run, but not after he's been tagged. It's an established manga fact that FTG is simply too fast to react to[

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. The only real benefit obito would get from his sensing would be to figure out minato's new location after he's FTG'd; beyond that, he hasn't shown reaction feat capable of competing with an FTG based attack.

This is true, however, It's a stretch to assume any shinobi would simply shut off their sensing feat the second they presume their opponent is dead. After all, all minato knew of obito was

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. Minato then used his Space-Time Ninjutsu, flying thunder god technique, to

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a few hundred meters all the way to the hokage faces. No where up to this point did minato know that his opponent possessed an S/T and was capable of following him to such a great distance from where he previously left him. Based on what you're stating, minato had no reason to keep his sensor abilities 'active' however,

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. The main difference between Tobirama and minato's situation is that; In minato's situation, he was in an active battle with his chakras active. Whereas, in tobirama's situation, he was simply chillin' at home talking his bro with no reason to have his chakra active. For all we know, their sensor feats are active as long as their not in full rest mode.

I didn't think that we were using trauma in this match up...? I thought it was implied that minato would just be clear headed about obito being his opponent. Of course if he's under shell shock everything will go differently, but trying to handicap minato like that is simply unfair. If obito can truly win this, why try to give minato psychological trauma to aid obito? As for the reaction part, I think I've covered that with the fact that Juubito couldn't react to an FTG based attack, nor could he even see them coming. Like I said, this is basically a battle of Kamui Vs FTG, so minato's foot speed isn't really all that important to me. The only real good thing about it is that it'd allow minato to

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from obito/dodge his attacks without the need for FTG or simply

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so that obito can't materialize to touch him -

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particularly skilled in.

Alright, You state that you're skeptical that minato can use shadow clones... Or more than one... Well, Kakashi already established that any Kage bushin user can use

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requires a shadow clone to use. It's impractical and absurd to think that minato practiced this jutsu -- which requires 2 FTG users -- with Tobirama. Tobirama whom was dead for several years during minato's era. This in it's own right already establishes the fact that minato's capable of using at least 1 shadow clone while alive; While kakashi's statement establishes that he can use multiple even if it were impractical. For argument sake, we'll just assume he can only use 1.

Lastly, In the case minato's about to lose, simply using RDS ensures this fight results in a draw. Hiruzen's already established that only the caster can see RDS; while the victim begins to see it

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